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In reply to the discussion: St. Louis Police Officer calls the job of Ferguson Activist to get her fired. She gets his number & [View all]Hassin Bin Sober
(27,464 posts)60. That opinion is woefully outdated:
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/publicemployees.htm
Pickering v Board of Education considered the case of a public school teacher fired for writing a letter to a newspaper critical of the local school board. In ordering the teacher reinstated, the Court found that a public employee's statements on a matter of public concern could not be the basis for discharge unless the statement contained knowing or reckless falsehoods, or the statements were of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job.
Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher. Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code. Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station. If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.
Connick (1983) and McPherson (1987) both discuss the important issue of what constitutes speech "of public concern." The issue is important because, as the Court says in Connick, if speech does not relate to a matter of public concern, "absent the most unusual circumstances" the discharge will not present a First Amendment question for court review. In Connick, a 5 to 4 majority of the court concluded that speech about the internal operation of a district attorney's office is generally not of "public concern." Moreover, the Court held, distribution of a questionaire by the discharged employee raising questions about management of the office could be reasonably seen as sufficiently damaging to close working relationships to justify discharge. In Rankin, on the other hand, a 5 to 4 majority concluded that the statement "If they go for him again, I hope they get him," made immediately following news of Hinckley's attempt to assassinate President Reagan, was speech on a matter of public concern. The Court ordered the deputy constable's reinstatement, noting that the remark--made only to a fellow employee--was not likely to affect either her ability to perform her largely clerical duties in the constable's office or public confidence in the office.
Branti (1980) is one of a series of cases in which the Court has prevented discharges based on the political beliefs of employees. Branti was one of six assistant public defenders fired from a county defender's office simply because they were Republicans and the newly appointed County Defender was a Democrat. The Court noted that sometimes may be permissible to use political affiliation as a basis for hiring and discharge decisions (for example, no one would doubt the right of the President to hire only Cabinet officers or speechwriters that share his or her political affiliation), but said that assistant county defenders did not hold the type of decisionmaking power that made political affiliation an appropriate consideration. Ten years later, in Rutan v Republican Party of Illinois (a case involving the staffing of Illinois prisons), the Court extended protection for political beliefs to initial hiring decisions, as well as decisions relating to promotions and transfers.
Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher. Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code. Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station. If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.
Connick (1983) and McPherson (1987) both discuss the important issue of what constitutes speech "of public concern." The issue is important because, as the Court says in Connick, if speech does not relate to a matter of public concern, "absent the most unusual circumstances" the discharge will not present a First Amendment question for court review. In Connick, a 5 to 4 majority of the court concluded that speech about the internal operation of a district attorney's office is generally not of "public concern." Moreover, the Court held, distribution of a questionaire by the discharged employee raising questions about management of the office could be reasonably seen as sufficiently damaging to close working relationships to justify discharge. In Rankin, on the other hand, a 5 to 4 majority concluded that the statement "If they go for him again, I hope they get him," made immediately following news of Hinckley's attempt to assassinate President Reagan, was speech on a matter of public concern. The Court ordered the deputy constable's reinstatement, noting that the remark--made only to a fellow employee--was not likely to affect either her ability to perform her largely clerical duties in the constable's office or public confidence in the office.
Branti (1980) is one of a series of cases in which the Court has prevented discharges based on the political beliefs of employees. Branti was one of six assistant public defenders fired from a county defender's office simply because they were Republicans and the newly appointed County Defender was a Democrat. The Court noted that sometimes may be permissible to use political affiliation as a basis for hiring and discharge decisions (for example, no one would doubt the right of the President to hire only Cabinet officers or speechwriters that share his or her political affiliation), but said that assistant county defenders did not hold the type of decisionmaking power that made political affiliation an appropriate consideration. Ten years later, in Rutan v Republican Party of Illinois (a case involving the staffing of Illinois prisons), the Court extended protection for political beliefs to initial hiring decisions, as well as decisions relating to promotions and transfers.
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St. Louis Police Officer calls the job of Ferguson Activist to get her fired. She gets his number & [View all]
kpete
Oct 2014
OP
One would have to show real damages, and here the boss gave her the phone number.
jtuck004
Oct 2014
#37
Quinn its not just wages they clearly need better training and training costs money.
cstanleytech
Oct 2014
#27
Ya but that issue you raised of their attitude is part of what better training would
cstanleytech
Oct 2014
#30
Funny how Democrats turn into tea partiers when it comes to one group of state or city employees.
delta17
Oct 2014
#46
Actually Democrats do not turn into tea partiers when it comes to state or city employees.
Enthusiast
Oct 2014
#62
However lack of money attracts bribes in droves. Pay your civil servants a living wage.
Hekate
Oct 2014
#35
The constabulary forces in this country have declared war upon the citizenry (or at
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#13
It does get a little tricky-er when the employer is also the government.
Hassin Bin Sober
Oct 2014
#58
This is clearcut violation of First Amendment rights by a government figure.
NutmegYankee
Oct 2014
#24
except, I would not want him near my groceries--not sure I could wash off the contamination.
niyad
Oct 2014
#49
Seems to me.. Keith chose the wrong citizen to intimidate with his bully tactics and is only
Cha
Oct 2014
#72
I have had this happen to me.... by an infamous FB bully named Brian Kolfage Jr.
millijac
Oct 2014
#38