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37. McCarthy couldn't compete with Johnson ...

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:32 PM

Oct 2014

... but look what happened.

Politics can be unpredictable and the more something is touted as a 'sure thing' the easier it is for an exigent or capricious event to upturn the apple cart.

The more Hillary is proclaimed as the 'all but coronated' nominee, the more I think that an unconventional and bold challenger like Bernie Sanders can cause her great trouble.

I can see a Bernie Sanders or a Brian Schweitzer capturing the imagination of Democrats in Iowa and New Hampshire in 2016 and an old, tired, conventional, elitist Hillary Clinton either imploding or -- if the polls show her losing -- changing her mind about running before the first caucus or vote is held.

I don't know when primary election filing deadlines are, but Warren could get into the nomination completion later than most and still be victorious.

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Elizabeth Warren is angry, and if she isn't running, a whole lot of trees have died in vain [View all] ProfessorPlum Oct 2014 OP

She's definitely putting herself out there... polichick Oct 2014 #1

...and definitely making it clear that she's not running. brooklynite Oct 2014 #10

Nobody is running... polichick Oct 2014 #20

...but only one of these prospective candidates has encouraged someone else to run. brooklynite Oct 2014 #23

Have no idea why she's painting that big target on her back... polichick Oct 2014 #25

I'm Impressed billhicks76 Oct 2014 #31

Aren't Conspiracy Theories a violation of TOS? brooklynite Oct 2014 #72

No, Conspiracy Theories are not a violation of the TOS. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #73

What Planet Do You Live On??? billhicks76 Oct 2014 #75

I see...and "THEY" (ominous music) apparently feel that being a US Senator is a harmless hobby? brooklynite Oct 2014 #77

Why Don't You Ask Paul Wellstone billhicks76 Oct 2014 #100

Back in September, 3 freshmen at my nephew's college rented a plane and it crashed... brooklynite Oct 2014 #102

Yes billhicks76 Oct 2014 #103

wouldn't we need a ouija board to do that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #111

I Prefer To Think billhicks76 Oct 2014 #133

then how is someone going to "ask him"? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #140

Cool story! morningfog Oct 2014 #82

Should Risk billhicks76 Oct 2014 #22

Tragic that ours is a "democracy" that requires a candidate... polichick Oct 2014 #30

I Know...Our Country Died In 1963 billhicks76 Oct 2014 #33

I'm sure he was too! BobbyBoring Oct 2014 #89

That's true of ANY democracy Demeter Oct 2014 #90

perhaps she wants VP.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #2

If she runs, it won't be as VP. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #6

and you know this how? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #14

You're ignoring the FACT that corporate interests and their beholden like you would jump on her... cascadiance Oct 2014 #36

YOU my friend ARE ignoring THE fact that SHE said REPEATEDLY she is NOT running AND VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #40

Encouraging Clinton to run isn't the same thing as "endorsing" her... cascadiance Oct 2014 #105

hahahahaha you keep telling yourself that VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #116

Good post. +++ LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #19

hahahahahahahah....right....another calling EW a liar! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #41

For the tense-challenged, Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #66

why are you tense? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #67

Oh, my! Please be careful. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #74

+1 Veilex Oct 2014 #151

She had more than double Barack's approval rating only a year out from the election too... cascadiance Oct 2014 #106

but not 64% VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #117

That 64% you're so proud of? Veilex Oct 2014 #152

and so would you be if EW or Bernie Sanders could say it! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #157

"But WE Democrats are not supposed to be proud that a female Democrat does?" Straw man... Veilex Oct 2014 #160

but Bernie Is not a Democrat so who gives a shit about that.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #162

You do, clearly. And so do a notable number of people on this website and across the US. Veilex Oct 2014 #165

no I dont YOU do.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #167

Ahhh so not only are you a corporatist... Veilex Oct 2014 #169

nope a democrat zealot.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #170

Riiiight...thats why you cling to a corporatists coat tails and go out of your way to marginalize... Veilex Oct 2014 #172

I cling to whomever wins the Democratic Primary... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #173

Ahhh so now you're claiming your lineage somehow confers special status to you now? Veilex Oct 2014 #174

are you betting or not? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #175

Oh no, you're not getting out of this one. Veilex Oct 2014 #176

I am not asking out of anything.....but you dont seem to VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #177

Stop with the "money where your mouth is" defelection blushit and answer the question... Veilex Oct 2014 #178

IT IS deflection on YOUR part because you WON'T stand up and back YOUR claim VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #179

As I thought... Veilex Oct 2014 #180

NOOOO as I thought....YOU can't! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #181

I, on the otherhand, refuse to waste anymore of my time with you. Veilex Oct 2014 #182

runaway...AS EXPECTED!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #183

Yep, if she wins she will set the template for women in the future to run for office... cascadiance Oct 2014 #35

Perhaps Hillary wants to be her VP! nt Logical Oct 2014 #16

yea the one with 64% approval rating VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #18

BS billhicks76 Oct 2014 #28

"Hillary represents the 1% in her ivory tower looking down on the serfs." Veilex Oct 2014 #32

And I Truly Wish We Were United Behind A Warren Type billhicks76 Oct 2014 #34

and THAT is fucking Bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #44

Wow...You Are Going Low Again billhicks76 Oct 2014 #60

no if she wins the Primary and you dont vote for her VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #118

I'll Make Sure billhicks76 Oct 2014 #134

Tough shit....its the Democratic Party that decides the Primary....not the Dem leaning Indies! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #136

"its the Democratic Party that decides the Primary" Veilex Oct 2014 #150

uh yes...its called a Primary election and Democrats VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #164

64%... at pressent. The election quite a ways away. Veilex Oct 2014 #166

yeah you want to put money on that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #168

Says the master of rhetoric Veilex Oct 2014 #171

I would love to be able to vote for Warren... Veilex Oct 2014 #50

OH is she an Ivory Tower Fancy Pants wearing Liberal now? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #138

Nope... she's your good buddy, the corporatist. Veilex Oct 2014 #153

if she wins the Primary... you are damn skippy VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #156

A card-carying Democrat wouldn't be proactively proud to vote for a corporatist. Veilex Oct 2014 #158

This and 64% would be proud to vote for her VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #161

only fancy pants latte drinking LIBERALS live VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #159

DO you feel the same way if she WINS the Primary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #42

She Wont Win billhicks76 Oct 2014 #62

No its just what this one is all about..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #63

I Know Thats Your Mantra...64% in the polls billhicks76 Oct 2014 #68

Its not a mantra...its a FACT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #69

Not Clinging To 2014 Polls About 2016 billhicks76 Oct 2014 #70

You don't have to cling...there will be more....but right NOW she is at 64%....THAT is a FACT Jack! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #79

Iowa will decide Hillary's future Hari Seldon Oct 2014 #88

you might be afraid....I am not VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #91

Ok billhicks76 Oct 2014 #101

but she don't and she won't because VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #139

"that is an established fact" Veilex Oct 2014 #154

but you wont pledge to vote for the Dem so no one VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #163

Vanilla Sky LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #78

No idea....I am more interested in politics than Tom Cruise movies... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #80

He probably likes the "Top Gun" Tom Cruise movie... cascadiance Oct 2014 #108

BWAHAHAHAHA! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #109

You don't understand the TOS. Wait before you launch your witch hunt. morningfog Oct 2014 #83

Oh YES I do! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #92

Hard to say. morningfog Oct 2014 #95

not hard to say....if you are a Democrat.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #96

We will be free to criticize any politician's policies, even during the primary. morningfog Oct 2014 #97

this wasnt criticism of policy as i already stated... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #98

Agreed The country certainly needs her. Vincardog Oct 2014 #3

the country NEEDS her right where she is AT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #45

I would very much would like to see her in the white house Marrah_G Oct 2014 #4

Gene McCarthy-RFK Scenario? earthside Oct 2014 #5

Sanders or Warren? JDPriestly Oct 2014 #7

Um, you believe that Bernie Sanders will be able to complete nationally with Hillary Clinton? brooklynite Oct 2014 #11

No Bernie billhicks76 Oct 2014 #29

McCarthy couldn't compete with Johnson ... earthside Oct 2014 #37

McCarthy was, by Bernie standard's, very mainstream brooklynite Oct 2014 #71

We'll never know if he doesn't try. Anyone can "speculate" about his chances, but the proof NorthCarolina Oct 2014 #86

I think Warren would be a better primary match for us in the primaries than Sanders... cascadiance Oct 2014 #122

...except for the part where she doesn't want to run (see #10) brooklynite Oct 2014 #123

Except that this is a MEANINGLESS theory at this point born out by history! cascadiance Oct 2014 #124

So that I can hopefully avoid the annoyance in 2015... brooklynite Oct 2014 #128

It is people like YOU that are cluttering our attempts here at hard work to convince Warren to run.. cascadiance Oct 2014 #129

But you're not... brooklynite Oct 2014 #131

It is "echo chambers" like this where people like us talk to each other and share ideas... cascadiance Oct 2014 #135

+1 Veilex Oct 2014 #155

love her but not as pres Betty88 Oct 2014 #8

Would love to see her run for the White House. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #9

" I still think she might be in a better place where she is now to influence legislation." Would you jtuck004 Oct 2014 #21

ok. Take care. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #84

Obama announced on February 10, 2007 - she has time fbc Oct 2014 #12

she ALREADY announced..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #46

They are covering their ears while repeating in sing-song, "I can't hear you". Beacool Oct 2014 #52

and yet they would follow this person whom they don't believe is telling them the truth.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #57

and where have you been, young lady? i made something for you. dionysus Oct 2014 #145

Dionysus, how have you been? Beacool Oct 2014 #184

Yes, I hope that she will run, and sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #13

so you think she is a liar too??? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #47

With stiff back Warren will drown in sea of Third Way fire MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #15

Hahaha! Can't wait for the replies on this one.... beerandjesus Oct 2014 #17

Maybe she just wanted to express herself to the book reading public aikoaiko Oct 2014 #24

Agreed! She knows we must put the facts out before the public. It's not about her ambitions. freshwest Oct 2014 #39

I'll rec for general wishing it were so, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #26

We need to worry about 2016 after this November. GOTV 2014. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #27

Dump Hillary. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #38

Stop telling Democrats what to do.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #48

When I become a Democrat? I believe you overstepped your charter. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #81

do you support whoever the party Elects in the primary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #94

Hey! LOL! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #99

nope...just a loyal Democrat on a Democratic forum VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #110

You talk about "Democrats" or "Independents" as if they are football teams... cascadiance Oct 2014 #107

I must agree, cascadiance. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #113

It's this kind of mentality that is fueling the mess of "top two" primary laws being passed cascadiance Oct 2014 #121

I know which party comes the closest to my beliefs.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #114

Then you should talk more about those beliefs and how Hillary Clinton best represents them... cascadiance Oct 2014 #119

my beliefs are that Republicans suck VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #126

Sounds like the cheers I heard in a football game which proves my other earlier point... cascadiance Oct 2014 #130

and only Independents are obsessed with this VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #115

I care about traditional DEMOCRATIC VALUES, which many here choose to ignore... cascadiance Oct 2014 #120

and I care about a Democrat winning not a VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #125

Your confusing "verbosity" with "depth"... cascadiance Oct 2014 #132

NO you are confusing word salad with a point! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #137

Do you have anything more to say that just engage in name calling? cascadiance Oct 2014 #141

I AM saying it.....YOU just don't like what I am saying! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #142

Then do as you you are saying and leave here so that we don't have people masquerading as Democrats cascadiance Oct 2014 #146

I dont have to...I plan to vote for whomever wins VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #147

If you are such a "Democrat", then why do you continue to tell us to not want THIS Democrat... cascadiance Oct 2014 #148

Because THAT democrat said she is not running VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #149

.... bigwillq Oct 2014 #53

. stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #87

She says she's not running. I believe her. bigwillq Oct 2014 #43

so she is JUST another politician? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #49

To me, she is just another politician. bigwillq Oct 2014 #54

question is....would ANY Democrat that wins the Primary election....have your support? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55

I already answered that. bigwillq Oct 2014 #56

EXACTLY!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

What? bigwillq Oct 2014 #59

If you cannot say you are in support of the Democrat that wins the Primary....even if it isn't VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #61

I don't think the Party should adjust to me bigwillq Oct 2014 #65

Whatever......... Beacool Oct 2014 #51

The same way some of us think Hillary can't handle Hutzpa Oct 2014 #144

I am invested in her candidacy. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #64

Agreed. Only her and Bernie. The rest are too timid. mmonk Oct 2014 #76

Please stop taking our senators Blue_Adept Oct 2014 #85

How bout Van Jones a VP??? Any takers? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #93

Please no Vattel Oct 2014 #185

K & R! lonestarnot Oct 2014 #104

I bet her emails would be well-recieived on this board. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #112

I guess if anyone writes a Best Seller....but VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #127

_ok_ or she wants to both get her message out via book, and make some _dough_ dionysus Oct 2014 #143