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36. What a crock

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:39 PM

Oct 2014

And an old crock at that. DNC chairs don't serve more than four years. Most serve only two. And who said "Rahm" (the generic bogey man) told Obama to get rid of Dean? Presidents always choose the DNC chair when they come to office. Dean had done his service. This is 6 years old. Give it up.

Obama did not win because of Howard Dean, either. He won because he had the most forward-looking, super-organized campaign organization anyone had ever seen, which operated in a long, protracted primary that took in nearly every state in the nation and attracted tens of thousands of on-the-ground volunteers, many from new demographics who had never been involved in politics before. And he pioneered new Internet campaigning and fundraising techniques.

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Pushing Dean Out And Ending 50 State Strategy Was A BIG Mistake For Democrats. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Oct 2014 OP

bad for the rank and file. great for the dc dems Doctor_J Oct 2014 #1

Bingo! Scuba Oct 2014 #29

This is a very important point. While the rank and file still stand for Democratic Values rhett o rick Oct 2014 #32

Nice post. wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #38

Thanks. GOTV rhett o rick Oct 2014 #40

Agree completely, rhett o rick reimaginethis Oct 2014 #47

Word n/t arcane1 Oct 2014 #53

Rahm = genuine POS. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #63

Absolutely positively Bohunk68 Oct 2014 #69

Back then I thought Warren was just a mistake. Nope. :( NT Jerry442 Oct 2014 #74

And what happened, when PO made those... ReRe Oct 2014 #91

Ding, Ding, Ding!! You are correct. N/T SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2014 #48

Yeah but how liberal were those Democrats in red states? davidn3600 Oct 2014 #2

Unfortunately You Make A Good Point. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2014 #3

The worst Democrat is usually better than the best Republican Warpy Oct 2014 #4

Max Baucus had been in the senate since 1978 PassingFair Oct 2014 #24

True, but his ridiculous conservatism did him in after the ACA fight Warpy Oct 2014 #31

And Rahmbo putting all the DCCC's money in to DLC candidates instead of progressive candidates cascadiance Oct 2014 #61

Well said, Warpy. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #64

Any Democrat adds =1 to headcount which determines the majority (which sets the agenda) SharonAnn Oct 2014 #51

Blue dog is better than a Tea Party Crackpot BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #11

Have they been able to get more done, as a party quakerboy Oct 2014 #39

Yes, but it got done--and ALL with Democrats Wella Oct 2014 #88

Always an interesting topic wyldwolf Oct 2014 #5

#4 was how Dean articulated and executed it Recursion Oct 2014 #13

I seem to recall A HUGE Democratic Sweep in 2006 Bandit Oct 2014 #18

#4 tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #33

#4 absolutely davidpdx Oct 2014 #94

Lower than statewide even wyldwolf Oct 2014 #95

Yeah, very true davidpdx Oct 2014 #96

Maybe that was the plan Deny and Shred Oct 2014 #6

That is my thought, exactly. djean111 Oct 2014 #10

Agree MsLeopard Oct 2014 #27

"We could not get screwed as much as we do by the Dem party unless it was planned." Yep. Scuba Oct 2014 #30

That's always been my suspicion. TPTB didn't want to have to deal with real Nay Oct 2014 #50

+1 nt Zorra Oct 2014 #58

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #7

Absolutely. jwirr Oct 2014 #8

Getting rid of Dean was bad for Dem voters, but crucial for the Dem corporate party. polichick Oct 2014 #9

Sadly, you are likely correct. n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #12

Yes, you are right. peacebird Oct 2014 #23

Umm... the 50 state strategy was never ended Recursion Oct 2014 #14

Why do you think Obama dumped Dean so ungraciously? nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #41

I thought Dean quit because he was mad he wasn't appointed HHS secretary Recursion Oct 2014 #42

Yeah that's the ticket. And Pres Obama was sad he left and appointed him .... rhett o rick Oct 2014 #55

"Nice try" what? Recursion Oct 2014 #56

Yeah and the Obama supporters are saying what? That Rahm really did like Dean. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #57

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #65

No. He was pushed out. There's plenty of documentation from the time. cali Oct 2014 #75

The funding has been cut, though eridani Oct 2014 #68

We need to contest every race, everywhere. Qutzupalotl Oct 2014 #15

No Way We Can Do a 50-State Strategy post-Citizens United AndyTiedye Oct 2014 #16

I agree with that tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #34

But we're outspending the GOP this cycle. By quite a bit. Recursion Oct 2014 #43

Those Figures Only Count REPORTED Spending AndyTiedye Oct 2014 #86

So, if R's have more money and always will, the solution can't lie in just money. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #76

This thread= perfect example of posters not knowing wtf they are talking about KittyWampus Oct 2014 #17

??? Fuddnik Oct 2014 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Oct 2014 #67

So? Does the party even publicize the strategy in more recent times than 2010? nt alp227 Oct 2014 #25

Does advertising an internal resource allocation strategy get votes? Recursion Oct 2014 #37

DU has a very strange idea about what the "50 state strategy" is. Thank you. Recursion Oct 2014 #35

Well Conspiracy theorists agree... charliea Oct 2014 #19

When it comes to CT theories ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #59

I understand your pessimism, but welcome to DU anyway. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #70

this is where i find President Obama difficult to understand samsingh Oct 2014 #20

I liked the 50 state strategy. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #21

Well, good news! They still do. Recursion Oct 2014 #44

K & R SoapBox Oct 2014 #26

Not only did his ouster from the DNC surprise me eissa Oct 2014 #28

What a crock frazzled Oct 2014 #36

Dean was the first candidate to raise big money on the internet, not Obama. whathehell Oct 2014 #45

True, but not as big, and not the on-the-ground organizational capacity frazzled Oct 2014 #52

Fine -- Obama's team had four years to improve upon what Dean started. whathehell Oct 2014 #73

I always give credit where credit is due in terms of Dean's pioneering the online campaigning davidpdx Oct 2014 #93

I'm sorry, but Obama's machine blew Dean's out of the water Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #60

Don't be, as my statement still stands. Dean was the first to blow everyone "out of the water" whathehell Oct 2014 #71

He blew one small state out of the water: his own frazzled Oct 2014 #77

Oh, I see you've moved the goal post, lol.. whathehell Oct 2014 #78

the point is Obama's was combined with actual ground support JI7 Oct 2014 #87

As I recall, whathehell Oct 2014 #89

50 state strategy does a hell of a lot for national perception of the party IronLionZion Oct 2014 #46

This explains why there are so many RW nut jobs here! We get little, if any, response to the Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #49

Is there even a future anymore for... nikto Oct 2014 #54

No, they haven't doomed us to extinction. ReRe Oct 2014 #62

Thanks for the encouragement, but... nikto Oct 2014 #90

Like I said... ReRe Oct 2014 #92

K&R to THAT!!! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #66

I saw Dean as being pushed out in 2004 (Iowa) fadedrose Oct 2014 #72

I agree rtracey Oct 2014 #79

As red state inhabitant libodem Oct 2014 #80

Agreed. And the emerging attack dogs-The 5 Royalist on the Supreme Court getting ready to put off DhhD Oct 2014 #81

Yes. It was. aquart Oct 2014 #82

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We stand for everyone (rich and poor) (red state or blue state) Babel_17 Oct 2014 #85