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cascadiance

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120. I care about traditional DEMOCRATIC VALUES, which many here choose to ignore...

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:41 PM

Oct 2014

... and I would warrant they are more of the third way types that care more about polls and contributions than substance of how candidates stand on issues. Some can try to apply labels to us as "independents", etc. If the Democratic Party has left its traditional values, and can't be taken back from the DLC/Third Way cancer, then ok, many of us will be independents in recreating the traditional Democratic Party and let the existing diseased Democratic Party go the way of the Whigs.... But many of us still believe that in the two party system we have enforced over us now that only has third party and independents as spoilers, that we have to take back the Democratic Party from within, no matter what we are "labeled". I'm guessing many of the "traditional" Republicans that were being ambushed by "Tea Party" insurgents in their party were calling them independents, etc. too. Tea Party people may not have had their main motivation in removing the corporate influence of their party like we do, but they did see that they had to take over the Republican Party in this environment instead of trying to get elected as a third party, and in that respect, that's the way we have to work to get rid of corporate cancers out of our party too, no matter what we are called in the process of doing so.

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Elizabeth Warren is angry, and if she isn't running, a whole lot of trees have died in vain [View all] ProfessorPlum Oct 2014 OP

She's definitely putting herself out there... polichick Oct 2014 #1

...and definitely making it clear that she's not running. brooklynite Oct 2014 #10

Nobody is running... polichick Oct 2014 #20

...but only one of these prospective candidates has encouraged someone else to run. brooklynite Oct 2014 #23

Have no idea why she's painting that big target on her back... polichick Oct 2014 #25

I'm Impressed billhicks76 Oct 2014 #31

Aren't Conspiracy Theories a violation of TOS? brooklynite Oct 2014 #72

No, Conspiracy Theories are not a violation of the TOS. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #73

What Planet Do You Live On??? billhicks76 Oct 2014 #75

I see...and "THEY" (ominous music) apparently feel that being a US Senator is a harmless hobby? brooklynite Oct 2014 #77

Why Don't You Ask Paul Wellstone billhicks76 Oct 2014 #100

Back in September, 3 freshmen at my nephew's college rented a plane and it crashed... brooklynite Oct 2014 #102

Yes billhicks76 Oct 2014 #103

wouldn't we need a ouija board to do that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #111

I Prefer To Think billhicks76 Oct 2014 #133

then how is someone going to "ask him"? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #140

Cool story! morningfog Oct 2014 #82

Should Risk billhicks76 Oct 2014 #22

Tragic that ours is a "democracy" that requires a candidate... polichick Oct 2014 #30

I Know...Our Country Died In 1963 billhicks76 Oct 2014 #33

I'm sure he was too! BobbyBoring Oct 2014 #89

That's true of ANY democracy Demeter Oct 2014 #90

perhaps she wants VP.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #2

If she runs, it won't be as VP. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #6

and you know this how? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #14

You're ignoring the FACT that corporate interests and their beholden like you would jump on her... cascadiance Oct 2014 #36

YOU my friend ARE ignoring THE fact that SHE said REPEATEDLY she is NOT running AND VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #40

Encouraging Clinton to run isn't the same thing as "endorsing" her... cascadiance Oct 2014 #105

hahahahaha you keep telling yourself that VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #116

Good post. +++ LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #19

hahahahahahahah....right....another calling EW a liar! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #41

For the tense-challenged, Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #66

why are you tense? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #67

Oh, my! Please be careful. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #74

+1 Veilex Oct 2014 #151

She had more than double Barack's approval rating only a year out from the election too... cascadiance Oct 2014 #106

but not 64% VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #117

That 64% you're so proud of? Veilex Oct 2014 #152

and so would you be if EW or Bernie Sanders could say it! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #157

"But WE Democrats are not supposed to be proud that a female Democrat does?" Straw man... Veilex Oct 2014 #160

but Bernie Is not a Democrat so who gives a shit about that.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #162

You do, clearly. And so do a notable number of people on this website and across the US. Veilex Oct 2014 #165

no I dont YOU do.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #167

Ahhh so not only are you a corporatist... Veilex Oct 2014 #169

nope a democrat zealot.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #170

Riiiight...thats why you cling to a corporatists coat tails and go out of your way to marginalize... Veilex Oct 2014 #172

I cling to whomever wins the Democratic Primary... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #173

Ahhh so now you're claiming your lineage somehow confers special status to you now? Veilex Oct 2014 #174

are you betting or not? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #175

Oh no, you're not getting out of this one. Veilex Oct 2014 #176

I am not asking out of anything.....but you dont seem to VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #177

Stop with the "money where your mouth is" defelection blushit and answer the question... Veilex Oct 2014 #178

IT IS deflection on YOUR part because you WON'T stand up and back YOUR claim VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #179

As I thought... Veilex Oct 2014 #180

NOOOO as I thought....YOU can't! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #181

I, on the otherhand, refuse to waste anymore of my time with you. Veilex Oct 2014 #182

runaway...AS EXPECTED!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #183

Yep, if she wins she will set the template for women in the future to run for office... cascadiance Oct 2014 #35

Perhaps Hillary wants to be her VP! nt Logical Oct 2014 #16

yea the one with 64% approval rating VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #18

BS billhicks76 Oct 2014 #28

"Hillary represents the 1% in her ivory tower looking down on the serfs." Veilex Oct 2014 #32

And I Truly Wish We Were United Behind A Warren Type billhicks76 Oct 2014 #34

and THAT is fucking Bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #44

Wow...You Are Going Low Again billhicks76 Oct 2014 #60

no if she wins the Primary and you dont vote for her VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #118

I'll Make Sure billhicks76 Oct 2014 #134

Tough shit....its the Democratic Party that decides the Primary....not the Dem leaning Indies! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #136

"its the Democratic Party that decides the Primary" Veilex Oct 2014 #150

uh yes...its called a Primary election and Democrats VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #164

64%... at pressent. The election quite a ways away. Veilex Oct 2014 #166

yeah you want to put money on that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #168

Says the master of rhetoric Veilex Oct 2014 #171

I would love to be able to vote for Warren... Veilex Oct 2014 #50

OH is she an Ivory Tower Fancy Pants wearing Liberal now? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #138

Nope... she's your good buddy, the corporatist. Veilex Oct 2014 #153

if she wins the Primary... you are damn skippy VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #156

A card-carying Democrat wouldn't be proactively proud to vote for a corporatist. Veilex Oct 2014 #158

This and 64% would be proud to vote for her VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #161

only fancy pants latte drinking LIBERALS live VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #159

DO you feel the same way if she WINS the Primary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #42

She Wont Win billhicks76 Oct 2014 #62

No its just what this one is all about..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #63

I Know Thats Your Mantra...64% in the polls billhicks76 Oct 2014 #68

Its not a mantra...its a FACT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #69

Not Clinging To 2014 Polls About 2016 billhicks76 Oct 2014 #70

You don't have to cling...there will be more....but right NOW she is at 64%....THAT is a FACT Jack! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #79

Iowa will decide Hillary's future Hari Seldon Oct 2014 #88

you might be afraid....I am not VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #91

Ok billhicks76 Oct 2014 #101

but she don't and she won't because VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #139

"that is an established fact" Veilex Oct 2014 #154

but you wont pledge to vote for the Dem so no one VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #163

Vanilla Sky LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #78

No idea....I am more interested in politics than Tom Cruise movies... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #80

He probably likes the "Top Gun" Tom Cruise movie... cascadiance Oct 2014 #108

BWAHAHAHAHA! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #109

You don't understand the TOS. Wait before you launch your witch hunt. morningfog Oct 2014 #83

Oh YES I do! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #92

Hard to say. morningfog Oct 2014 #95

not hard to say....if you are a Democrat.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #96

We will be free to criticize any politician's policies, even during the primary. morningfog Oct 2014 #97

this wasnt criticism of policy as i already stated... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #98

Agreed The country certainly needs her. Vincardog Oct 2014 #3

the country NEEDS her right where she is AT! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #45

I would very much would like to see her in the white house Marrah_G Oct 2014 #4

Gene McCarthy-RFK Scenario? earthside Oct 2014 #5

Sanders or Warren? JDPriestly Oct 2014 #7

Um, you believe that Bernie Sanders will be able to complete nationally with Hillary Clinton? brooklynite Oct 2014 #11

No Bernie billhicks76 Oct 2014 #29

McCarthy couldn't compete with Johnson ... earthside Oct 2014 #37

McCarthy was, by Bernie standard's, very mainstream brooklynite Oct 2014 #71

We'll never know if he doesn't try. Anyone can "speculate" about his chances, but the proof NorthCarolina Oct 2014 #86

I think Warren would be a better primary match for us in the primaries than Sanders... cascadiance Oct 2014 #122

...except for the part where she doesn't want to run (see #10) brooklynite Oct 2014 #123

Except that this is a MEANINGLESS theory at this point born out by history! cascadiance Oct 2014 #124

So that I can hopefully avoid the annoyance in 2015... brooklynite Oct 2014 #128

It is people like YOU that are cluttering our attempts here at hard work to convince Warren to run.. cascadiance Oct 2014 #129

But you're not... brooklynite Oct 2014 #131

It is "echo chambers" like this where people like us talk to each other and share ideas... cascadiance Oct 2014 #135

+1 Veilex Oct 2014 #155

love her but not as pres Betty88 Oct 2014 #8

Would love to see her run for the White House. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #9

" I still think she might be in a better place where she is now to influence legislation." Would you jtuck004 Oct 2014 #21

ok. Take care. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #84

Obama announced on February 10, 2007 - she has time fbc Oct 2014 #12

she ALREADY announced..... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #46

They are covering their ears while repeating in sing-song, "I can't hear you". Beacool Oct 2014 #52

and yet they would follow this person whom they don't believe is telling them the truth.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #57

and where have you been, young lady? i made something for you. dionysus Oct 2014 #145

Dionysus, how have you been? Beacool Oct 2014 #184

Yes, I hope that she will run, and sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #13

so you think she is a liar too??? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #47

With stiff back Warren will drown in sea of Third Way fire MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #15

Hahaha! Can't wait for the replies on this one.... beerandjesus Oct 2014 #17

Maybe she just wanted to express herself to the book reading public aikoaiko Oct 2014 #24

Agreed! She knows we must put the facts out before the public. It's not about her ambitions. freshwest Oct 2014 #39

I'll rec for general wishing it were so, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #26

We need to worry about 2016 after this November. GOTV 2014. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #27

Dump Hillary. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #38

Stop telling Democrats what to do.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #48

When I become a Democrat? I believe you overstepped your charter. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #81

do you support whoever the party Elects in the primary? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #94

Hey! LOL! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #99

nope...just a loyal Democrat on a Democratic forum VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #110

You talk about "Democrats" or "Independents" as if they are football teams... cascadiance Oct 2014 #107

I must agree, cascadiance. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #113

It's this kind of mentality that is fueling the mess of "top two" primary laws being passed cascadiance Oct 2014 #121

I know which party comes the closest to my beliefs.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #114

Then you should talk more about those beliefs and how Hillary Clinton best represents them... cascadiance Oct 2014 #119

my beliefs are that Republicans suck VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #126

Sounds like the cheers I heard in a football game which proves my other earlier point... cascadiance Oct 2014 #130

and only Independents are obsessed with this VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #115

I care about traditional DEMOCRATIC VALUES, which many here choose to ignore... cascadiance Oct 2014 #120

and I care about a Democrat winning not a VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #125

Your confusing "verbosity" with "depth"... cascadiance Oct 2014 #132

NO you are confusing word salad with a point! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #137

Do you have anything more to say that just engage in name calling? cascadiance Oct 2014 #141

I AM saying it.....YOU just don't like what I am saying! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #142

Then do as you you are saying and leave here so that we don't have people masquerading as Democrats cascadiance Oct 2014 #146

I dont have to...I plan to vote for whomever wins VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #147

If you are such a "Democrat", then why do you continue to tell us to not want THIS Democrat... cascadiance Oct 2014 #148

Because THAT democrat said she is not running VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #149

.... bigwillq Oct 2014 #53

. stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #87

She says she's not running. I believe her. bigwillq Oct 2014 #43

so she is JUST another politician? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #49

To me, she is just another politician. bigwillq Oct 2014 #54

question is....would ANY Democrat that wins the Primary election....have your support? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55

I already answered that. bigwillq Oct 2014 #56

EXACTLY!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #58

What? bigwillq Oct 2014 #59

If you cannot say you are in support of the Democrat that wins the Primary....even if it isn't VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #61

I don't think the Party should adjust to me bigwillq Oct 2014 #65

Whatever......... Beacool Oct 2014 #51

The same way some of us think Hillary can't handle Hutzpa Oct 2014 #144

I am invested in her candidacy. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #64

Agreed. Only her and Bernie. The rest are too timid. mmonk Oct 2014 #76

Please stop taking our senators Blue_Adept Oct 2014 #85

How bout Van Jones a VP??? Any takers? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #93

Please no Vattel Oct 2014 #185

K & R! lonestarnot Oct 2014 #104

I bet her emails would be well-recieived on this board. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #112

I guess if anyone writes a Best Seller....but VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #127

_ok_ or she wants to both get her message out via book, and make some _dough_ dionysus Oct 2014 #143