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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
32. My first experience was in 1988
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:12 PM
Oct 2014

There as a rent a cop, I was taking a class to get the permit for the Baton. This would allow me to own, and carry one at work. The Police Officer teaching the course told us that if we ever used the club, we should lie to the witnesses and tell them the individual we had beaten was a Child Molester. He told us that this made it easier to get the conviction later, as it turned potentially hostile witnesses into more favorable when they told their story to the Jury.

Since that time, I have become far more acquainted with the "Routine Lies" told by law enforcement.

There are tens of thousands of stories out there backed up by video about cops lying under oath, and lying on their reports.

http://khon2.com/2014/09/15/maryland-police-officer-punches-man-charges-him-with-assault/

All of those officers, and all of their reports all said the same thing. Now, how did they manage to get the reports to agree? Was it co-ordinated after the fact? Did the offending officer, the one who punched the man with no reason. Did that officer suspect that anyone in uniform watching would report the truth? Or did the officer have good reason to believe that the culture of the routine lie would back him up?

Even officers in other departments regularly lie to protect their brothers in blue. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police

One by one, five police officers took the witness stand at the Skokie courthouse late last month for what would typically be a routine hearing on whether evidence in a drug case was properly obtained.

But in a "Perry Mason" moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom, the inquiry took a surprising turn when the suspect's lawyer played a police video that contradicted the sworn testimony of the five officers — three from Chicago and two from Glenview, a furious judge found.


Without the videos that are now coming from every direction, the police would still be getting away with it over and over again. This man was lucky to survive, the police were telling the routine lie for the video so they could get away with killing the man, which would have been murder. Without this one tape, an innocent man would be dead, or in prison because of those cops. All of whom participate in the routine lie technique. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/police-dash-cam-video-exonerates-nj-man-implicates-cops-article-1.1701763

Police owe more to Hollywood than the armed forces. John Wayne made the military cool, a place for real men to go. Bruce Willis, Stallone, and how many others have made Cops the greatest people in the world regularly taking down huge criminal organizations in the minds of a dwindling majority of the public. Stories like the ones I've linked to, a fraction of a fraction of a single percent of what is out there I might add, are bringing the truth to light, and exposing the routine lie.

And they don't just lie about important things, like felony arrests. They lie about traffic tickets regularly.

http://www.wsvn.com/story/23070302/ticket-talk

When police do commit crimes, the brotherhood comes riding to the rescue as much as possible, and the sentence is always far lighter than if a mere civilian had done the terrible deeds. If a police officer rapes a woman who was pulled over, well she shouldn't have committed the traffic offense in the first place. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/oklahoma-police-rape_n_5870752.html

My experience in the matter is one that is more than two decades. My experience in the matter is that the last people who would be trustworthy, would be the police. Their stories require a suspension of disbelief that is beyond ridiculous. The brutality is beyond systematic to ingrained. The abuse of the use of force is insulting, and beyond description.

We know the police are using excessive force. How do we know it? http://www.policefoundation.org/content/body-worn-cameras-police-use-force

Because when cameras are used the use of force drops dramatically. So it's not the suspects who are acting illogically and irrationally. It's the police, so long as they can get away with it.

Police Foundation Executive Fellow, Chief Tony Farrar, recently completed an extensive yearlong study to evaluate the effect of body-worn video cameras on police use-of-force. This randomized controlled trail represents the first experimental evaluation of body-worn video cameras used in police patrol practices. Cameras were deployed to all patrol officers in the Rialto (CA) Police Department. Every police patrol shift during the 12-month period was assigned to experimental or control conditions.
Wearing cameras was associated with dramatic reductions in use-of-force and complaints against officers. The authors conclude:
"The findings suggest more than a 50% reduction in the total number of incidents of use-of-force compared to control-conditions, and nearly ten times more citizens’ complaints in the 12-months prior to the experiment
."


It might not make any sense to those who worship at the feet of law enforcement. But the truth is right there to be seen. Half of the incidents of the use of force by police, is unjustified. Half.

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That doesn't really sound like an autopsy report TransitJohn Oct 2014 #1
They are both there. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #2
How was I supposed to know that? TransitJohn Oct 2014 #3
Click the link? n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #4
Of course you would say that. TransitJohn Oct 2014 #5
Gee, John, no need to be so irritable. Nitram Oct 2014 #6
God forbid! TransitJohn Oct 2014 #7
It's not really either... Oktober Oct 2014 #9
Since people seem to be click challenged today . . . Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #13
Click challenged doesn't really mean... Oktober Oct 2014 #20
Is clicking, skimming, and then clicking to the underlying material really that challenging? n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #43
Just like the cops wanted it to, the narrative plays out exactly the way Wilson said. Rex Oct 2014 #8
so the medical examiners and FBI are in on it? snooper2 Oct 2014 #11
Why would they have to be in on it? Rex Oct 2014 #12
Well, I actually read the entire report, no gunshot wounds in the back- snooper2 Oct 2014 #14
The report kept saying homicide, I guess that is why Wilson fled like a coward. Rex Oct 2014 #15
I noticed that but figured it was just how medical examiners write to be accurate snooper2 Oct 2014 #18
Maybe. Rex Oct 2014 #19
If he fled within the boundaries of law... Oktober Oct 2014 #22
So you don't know what he did right after killing Brown? Rex Oct 2014 #41
Aside from anything pertaining to law... Oktober Oct 2014 #42
Fled? What did I miss? Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #25
You're deliberately misstating what Dorian Johnson actually said, so much so that it KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #31
It's sad watching people pretend to be ignorant of the circumstances. Rex Oct 2014 #40
Let me ask you this. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #21
I would suggest... Oktober Oct 2014 #23
I find it nearly impossible to believe that Michael Brown turned and charged. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #44
You are projecting... Oktober Oct 2014 #45
I am analyzing. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #46
You have a... unique... interpretation of the word analyze... Oktober Oct 2014 #47
Then tell me where I'm wrong. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #48
When adrenaline is pumping people make choices that seem illogical Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #24
My first experience was in 1988 Savannahmann Oct 2014 #32
Where this falls apart for me (as an outsider looking in) justiceischeap Oct 2014 #34
who is leaking this shit? spanone Oct 2014 #10
Ferguson PD. Rex Oct 2014 #16
The Ferguson PD, St Louis County PD and Prosecutor are all acting on behalf of Darren Wilson alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #17
If it weren't for those pesky eye-witnesses ... AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #26
But we all know that in this country, the majority of the time, the po-po is right. nc4bo Oct 2014 #27
I hope the Justice Dept is breathing down their necks. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #33
three shots to the head of an unarmed person.... murder. spanone Oct 2014 #28
In some cases... certainly... Oktober Oct 2014 #29
in this case. murder. spanone Oct 2014 #35
None of that sounds like an autopsy Recursion Oct 2014 #30
a lot of people in this thread are having clicky link issues LOL snooper2 Oct 2014 #36
I did click, and got a series of tweets from... somebody? Recursion Oct 2014 #37
See post 13 up above snooper2 Oct 2014 #38
Umm... that's an autopsy that more or less confirms Wilson's story Recursion Oct 2014 #39
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