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Savannahmann

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132. Interesting take

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:49 PM

Oct 2014

That the victim had robbed the store is your first point. What you are trying to get across is that the criminal got what he deserved.

Now, as far as going to great lengths to "discredit the cop" let me ask you this. How much length should we go in order to find the truth? Apparently, we're going just too far, as we are being mean to the cop.

Let me ask you another question. What does a drive by shooting in which a child was killed in Kansas City, on the other side of the state, have to do with the death of Michael Brown? Other than an effort to distract the people I mean.

Let's go ahead and deal with the propaganda shall we? The police do not have a dangerous job. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

97 Law Enforcement officers died in 2013. That puts them further down on the list than a large number of people. http://criminologycareers.about.com/od/Career_Trends/a/Dangers-In-Criminal-Justice-Careers.htm

So it's far more dangerous to be a fisherman, a logger, and I could go on, and on, and on. The point is that it is not that dangerous to be a cop. Especially if you were somehow able to eliminate those 34 roadway deaths, you know the ones that happened because the cops don't like to wear seatbelts. If we could get the cops to wear seatbelts, it would be safer to be a cop than an office worker.

By comparison, more than a four hundred people are killed by police every years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2014

So it is at least four times more dangerous to interact with a police officer than it is to be one. (Yes I know, I really murdered the math. but the point is that four times as many people die, and we don't know how many exactly, than police officers who die)

So any other excuses or distractions that we should know about? Hey, since we're talking about children who are killed in drive by shootings. How about a baby that was damn near killed and scarred for life by a SWAT team? http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/us/georgia-toddler-stun-grenade-no-indictment/

I mean, the big picture concerning children is your goal isn't it?

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WAIT! So FDP Officer Wilson, whos ILLEGALLY refusing to make a report for fear of being incriminated [View all] uponit7771 Oct 2014 OP

Wilson who dlwickham Oct 2014 #1

Wilson in Ferguson, I have to assume. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #3

Sure it's not this guy? Generic Other Oct 2014 #72

No, everyone knows Wilson... jberryhill Oct 2014 #130

Already a locked thread in LBN on this. Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #2

You mean the "not real people" disruptors? nt valerief Oct 2014 #4

Wilson has a 5th amendment right to remain silent Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #5

Why would he, he did even MOST of what he supposed to do right?! HELL NAW! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #6

And that applies to work reports? daleanime Oct 2014 #7

Yep. jeff47 Oct 2014 #54

Well OK then he should be fired by that Government Police agency for not fulfilling his paid duties gordianot Oct 2014 #88

Can't. That would be forcing him to incriminate himself. jeff47 Oct 2014 #242

As someone who works for the federal government, he may/may not have such a right. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #199

Wilson was required to file a report of some type starroute Oct 2014 #115

No Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #128

But no one else was on the scene starroute Oct 2014 #151

That is not what is claimed Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #155

What I find is the ACLU saying the PD was breaking the law starroute Oct 2014 #168

Ok, so we have the department possibly breaking the law Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #188

He only has to fill out the report if he wants to remain employed. Calista241 Oct 2014 #265

You're missing the OP's point. Sure, Wilson has a right to remain silent, as does anyone KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #9

If giving facts is deflection then I apologize. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #10

It certainly can be. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #12

Thank you for stating this so consisely and eloquently. KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #24

Perfectly and succinctly stated. Bravo! riqster Oct 2014 #104

Is he doing so? He doesn't seem to be. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #11

It's not remaining silent Quayblue Oct 2014 #37

I agree. They're gonna let the cop walk. lob1 Oct 2014 #89

Do you think there will be a report on what Wilson had in his system? He WAS the shooter sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #13

I suspect Wilson was hopped up on coke, meth or speed. See Joe McGinniss' KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #27

I always suspected roid rage leftynyc Oct 2014 #56

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #61

Is your suspicion backed up by any facts? NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #162

So was Wilson tested after this shooting? If so, what were the results? If not, why not? As for KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #171

Ah sorry about that. Yes, it was an amphetamine, a diet pill that I can't recall. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #172

At the risk of utterly derailing this thread, but in the interest of balance, wanted to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #174

Yes, thanks. I've read it. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #177

Wilson had a second job, as a security officer BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #183

Well again, that should come out in a drug test. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #185

Did he resign his job? Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #47

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #52

ive never heard of an officer involved in a shooting writing the police report. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #55

I know it is mandatory strawberries Oct 2014 #92

Here is Wilson official report riverwalker Oct 2014 #146

weird strawberries Oct 2014 #159

Um ... you do realize that's not Wilson's report, right? Travelman Oct 2014 #169

+1, the FPD tried to pawn it off to the SLPD but the SLPD didn't have anything to go on so... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #194

That's absurd. Travelman Oct 2014 #213

You are just making stuff up now Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #156

Come on, this is America Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #170

Several things Calista241 Oct 2014 #266

So... by that logic... Oktober Oct 2014 #158

Yup! He needs to be charged with embezzlement. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #176

Then he needs to be fired for not doing his job. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #51

Wilson shot a man dead onecaliberal Oct 2014 #103

Silent to the media, maybe . . . brush Oct 2014 #179

^^^^^That onecaliberal Oct 2014 #214

Wait, was he charged with anything? I thought 5th amendment rights were only Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #200

no. you almoat always have a 5th amendment right Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #209

He was apparently advised not to by his union lawyer hack89 Oct 2014 #8

Was he checked for drugs or alcohol? I would think that would be standard procedure after sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #16

Good question - you would hope so. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #17

It's illegal... the FOIA request are being ignored at the LEAST his union boss doesn't control that uponit7771 Oct 2014 #25

Is it a state law you are referring to? hack89 Oct 2014 #31

... no, FOIA laws... the FPD is trying to skirt them using the 5th only told to Wilson by his uponit7771 Oct 2014 #35

How does filing a statement 10 days late violate the FOI laws? hack89 Oct 2014 #43

I think the report was blank. bravenak Oct 2014 #46

But what law was broken? hack89 Oct 2014 #48

FOIA and impeding an investigation, he doesn't get 5th because his STATED purpose on the job uponit7771 Oct 2014 #50

The FOIA only applies to the Federal government - not the Ferguson PD hack89 Oct 2014 #57

Still doesn't supercede his 5th amendment rights. jeff47 Oct 2014 #58

... there COULD be no murder because Wilson followed all the rules of his job... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #63

If he did what we all think he did, then it's a murder. jeff47 Oct 2014 #66

Isn't pleading the 5th in THIS situation an already forced error? I followed the rules = I go uponit7771 Oct 2014 #85

Common sense-wise, yes. jeff47 Oct 2014 #87

If cops just start filing blank reports after killing people,is that not impeding the investigation? bravenak Oct 2014 #53

Could be. hack89 Oct 2014 #60

If he is conspiring with the department like it seems. bravenak Oct 2014 #65

I think his supporters would leak regardless of what he does hack89 Oct 2014 #70

It is frustrating to hear dribs and drabs, but not get anything real. bravenak Oct 2014 #75

It is a dangerous situation. hack89 Oct 2014 #76

That's what it is. bravenak Oct 2014 #77

Nah...That's OJs excuse... didn't work for him uponit7771 Oct 2014 #83

5th amendment means you're allowed to impede it. jeff47 Oct 2014 #62

He is not allowed to be conspiring with others to assist him. bravenak Oct 2014 #68

His story gets leaked, not his report. jeff47 Oct 2014 #69

... this is NOT a case of a normal citizen taken some normal actions and then crap happens... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #81

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #64

exactly, IE the FOIA infractions at the least... at the MOST he should be standing in the way uponit7771 Oct 2014 #49

The FOIA only applies to Federal agencies, not state and local agencies hack89 Oct 2014 #79

Good point but because this is now a federal case FOIA applies.. (inside) uponit7771 Oct 2014 #94

And does the Federal FOIA allow access to police documents from an active investigation? hack89 Oct 2014 #101

It's a federal case NOW... anything the feds ask for can be gotten under FOIA... it's common and the uponit7771 Oct 2014 #105

So the title of your OP is wrong and Wilson is not breaking the FOIA? hack89 Oct 2014 #110

FOIA is not a criminal statute, and there are no criminal penalties for non-compliance. branford Oct 2014 #107

Missouri has their own Sunshine law which requires release csziggy Oct 2014 #125

I don't think you understand how FOIA works Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #123

Yeah well for the record, I never believed any of the people Rex Oct 2014 #14

"... the people doing it think they are clever but are very transparent." Yep. Scuba Oct 2014 #38

And there will always be people right here on DU siding with these armed cops/wanna-be cops who kill Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #211

Is that true? savalez Oct 2014 #15

I think he eventually filed a report ten days after the shooting. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #19

Report was empty... nathin...that's why the FOIA laws are going to USSC regarding this case. uponit7771 Oct 2014 #28

Excuse me. Words that we don't even KNOW come from him have more credibility than eyewitnesses. bravenak Oct 2014 #18

I suspect that there are witnesses we are not aware of hack89 Oct 2014 #21

I'm just going by the witnesses we have heard from. bravenak Oct 2014 #23

I agree - the leaks are to spin a pro-Wilson story hack89 Oct 2014 #34

Please. Integrity would be a blessing in this situation. bravenak Oct 2014 #36

I would hope all the grand jury transcripts are released hack89 Oct 2014 #41

That would be nice and useful. bravenak Oct 2014 #44

There is likely a great deal of forensic evidence and witness testimony which we know nothing about. branford Oct 2014 #71

I will stay up all night reading it if necessary when it comes out bravenak Oct 2014 #73

Same old garbage, no? They will defend these killer cops to the nth degree until one day sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #26

I asked that very same question about the officer's toxicology report yesterday. bravenak Oct 2014 #32

That would make sense, don't know how many people were LESS risk adverse jacked during a game uponit7771 Oct 2014 #40

I have seen people got straight out of character on certain substances. bravenak Oct 2014 #42

Good that others are asking. I had not seen anyone ask about the cop's state of mind. People sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #80

HELP!!! what is in the report that says Brown WASNT 20 feet or 25 feet away when the last shots randys1 Oct 2014 #39

I saw nothing that indicated he was that close. bravenak Oct 2014 #45

Do we know where the cop car was in relation to the body? randys1 Oct 2014 #129

LOL....DU has been ratfucked for quite sometime. GOPers are everywhere. Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #20

are you sure they are Republicans? hfojvt Oct 2014 #29

first I heard about him not making a report hfojvt Oct 2014 #22

... the "filed" report is empty... look for FOIA to go to USSC regarding the incident report because uponit7771 Oct 2014 #30

A police report is supposed to be written as soon as possible after the event. So if Wilson did not sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #67

the victim in this case though hfojvt Oct 2014 #97

Interesting take Savannahmann Oct 2014 #132

you think homicide is a distraction? hfojvt Oct 2014 #182

I'm truly astonished. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #190

Who said he robbed a store? Are you referring to the video that was released sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #173

What do you think this means? XemaSab Oct 2014 #180

The the thug cops want people to keep their mouths shut... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #193

You think the cops spray-painted that on the burned out QuikTrip? XemaSab Oct 2014 #238

Hard to answer that when you provide no information as to where it came from, eg. sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #256

Looters spray-painted this behind the QuikTrip XemaSab Oct 2014 #259

What does that have to do with anything? The protesters were not looters, if that is what you sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #263

I'm talking about the looters XemaSab Oct 2014 #267

I don't expect them to end with dead citizens either hfojvt Oct 2014 #184

Even if every word you say is true, and of course we don't know that, it STILL does not justify the sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #230

THE COP IS DISCREDITED!!! What about his discredit be default is NOT understood?! He's REFUSING uponit7771 Oct 2014 #191

Also, so are shooting slike this in the WHITE community, only racist wingers front the black uponit7771 Oct 2014 #192

I guess "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply to Michael Brown? gollygee Oct 2014 #243

he was shot in the back heaven05 Oct 2014 #86

IMO they sent their paid trolls here yesterday to test the waters and to see if liberals wil buy it. notadmblnd Oct 2014 #33

Racist is racist, "progressive" or otherwise alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #59

Thank you. I've said for years that the percentage of racists on the left is just aout the same as Solomon Oct 2014 #175

I think the matter is completely unresolved The Traveler Oct 2014 #74

I do not post often on the site donnasgirl Oct 2014 #78

Yellow Journalism "gun gone off" HOW!?!??! Just .. pulled it's own trigger?!?! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #82

Maybe i am wrong donnasgirl Oct 2014 #84

In regards to the report which just claims the "gun went off" I don't see how Brown FORCED Wilson uponit7771 Oct 2014 #91

You get shot give up raise your hands there is a pause then still get shot. gordianot Oct 2014 #93

please stop blaming heaven05 Oct 2014 #95

EXACTLY!!! The running away and being shot at is the crime people are focusing on Brown in the uponit7771 Oct 2014 #98

Care to be specific? Otherwise, why yes, you are wrong. "The young man" was guilty KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #144

You are wrong. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #178

Yeap, pathologist has already said one of the wounds in the arm is consistant with shot from the uponit7771 Oct 2014 #195

Muddy the waters? It seems pretty clear to me. A teenager encounters over walking sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #241

If Wilson is not indicted by a local grand jury . . . Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #90

The federal investigation is already ongoing. branford Oct 2014 #99

I can speak of 2 white people that live in Ferguson (in-laws) which gives me some insight. gordianot Oct 2014 #102

He's a slick little shit. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #96

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #108

I don't know why he hasn't been convicted and put in prison yet Bonx Oct 2014 #111

Dude, sorry to break it to you, but there are *very* few people here who even *halfway* support..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #100

Few would be like.. maybe 4? nah.... I see at LEAST 20 given ear to Wilsons KKK supported ass... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #106

Just Twenty? On a site with many *thousands* of active users? AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #114

ONE heaven05 Oct 2014 #127

RIGHT!! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #197

Well it's not heaven05 Oct 2014 #109

"by some progressives that I have witnessed here", I'm sorry, but that's fuckin' bullshit, amigo. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #112

you're entitled heaven05 Oct 2014 #117

Wolves in Sheep's Clothing? I can give you an example right now, if need be: AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #119

I know that heaven05 Oct 2014 #122

" when they are disregarding their own fleas". Pot, meet kettle. n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #124

don't change heaven05 Oct 2014 #126

Dude, you're really trying everybody's patience. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #181

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #186

Let's not change the subject. You have a price. Let's negotiate. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #187

glee here!!!! heaven05 Oct 2014 #208

HA! This is so funny. betsuni Oct 2014 #224

. Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #271

There's eye witnesses and then there are eye witnesses Android3.14 Oct 2014 #113

Discussionist brought a lot of rightwingers to DU. It has reached the point where they ... ieoeja Oct 2014 #116

ahhhh heaven05 Oct 2014 #120

Looks like you've had at least three hidden posts on DU3. Make7 Oct 2014 #136

Mods wouldn't have hidden any of those. ieoeja Oct 2014 #138

They were unreasonable at best relative to what the site started as... now that there are more winge uponit7771 Oct 2014 #198

Where is it illegal for him to not do a report? Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #118

Oh lordy, Seriously? MaggieD Oct 2014 #134

Seriously- you didn't address what I said Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #135

Really? You're an expert on all laws in all states and counties? MaggieD Oct 2014 #140

More to the point, his boss, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, said Wilson KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #148

Exactly - which is why incident reports are SOP.... MaggieD Oct 2014 #150

Maybe your comprehension is lacking Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #157

let me whip up some opinions about partial leaked NM_Birder Oct 2014 #202

FOIA and impeding an investigation, he doesn't get 5th because his STATED purpose on the job uponit7771 Oct 2014 #201

I see you can't cite the law Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #236

Ummm... no, please read the KOS record of this ... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #249

Well, putting in my common sense cap Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #254

Mind boggling, isn't it? n/t MaggieD Oct 2014 #121

Does anyone have a link to this "illegal refusal to make a report?" Travelman Oct 2014 #131

Finally, a voice of reason Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #139

That's not a voice of reason.... MaggieD Oct 2014 #141

So if a police officer is in a traffic accident with you Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #147

Yes, I want the LEO to get a statement on record! MaggieD Oct 2014 #152

You are confused Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #154

Then where is the statement? MaggieD Oct 2014 #165

Show me that SOP Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #189

I posted links long before you responded MaggieD Oct 2014 #270

FOIA and impeding an investigation, he doesn't get the benefit of the 5th because he... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #203

That's not a link Travelman Oct 2014 #210

I'm talking about the FOIA request for the report that is blank... so there IS a filing... Wilson uponit7771 Oct 2014 #220

Explaing it away is not a link. Travelman Oct 2014 #231

Here's the link, he's breaking FOIA and Sunshine laws from the state.... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #248

"Some lady on dailyKos" is not a link to a law Travelman Oct 2014 #251

Strawman noted, no one is saying he IS compelled just that he did so and has NOT come forth... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #252

Strawman my ass Travelman Oct 2014 #258

"it "wasn't the compulsion to file part... again,... strawman noted. Either way, he's not filing uponit7771 Oct 2014 #260

You're reduced to speaking in some bizarre code Travelman Oct 2014 #262

what year did you graduate law school? Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #217

1983... now what??!!? uponit7771 Oct 2014 #221

Now, you should very easily be able to cite the law that you're claiming exists Travelman Oct 2014 #233

To clear up a lot of bad info in this thread Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #133

Violations of civil rights is breaking the law MaggieD Oct 2014 #142

I can't answer where it is Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #143

Yeah, he's giving verbal accounts after being fully apprised of the evidence... MaggieD Oct 2014 #153

It is obvious cops think they are above the law when it comes to murder. Rex Oct 2014 #161

This is false, when a FOIA request is filed for said report the report is given PERIOD ... it's agai uponit7771 Oct 2014 #204

Even if everything I have heard from Wilson's side is true, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #137

Wilson's prior ingestion of meth or speed would explain the subsequent shooting. Oh, wait, Wilson KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #145

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #206

BINGO!!! The rest of the "leak" is irrelevant... Wilson should be charge for attempting to shoot uponit7771 Oct 2014 #205

Some people will believe anything Bettie Oct 2014 #149

He did testify in front of the Grand Jury Wella Oct 2014 #160

So what? MaggieD Oct 2014 #163

I knew the fix was in, the moment Wilson was allowed to flee the crime scene. Rex Oct 2014 #164

Yup. MaggieD Oct 2014 #166

Do you have a link for that? Wella Oct 2014 #167

A link for what? MaggieD Oct 2014 #227

Everyone has that privilege Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #223

They don't have the right to a full review of the evidence MaggieD Oct 2014 #225

What special right does wilson have? Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #232

He apparently has a special right... MaggieD Oct 2014 #235

He has not had charges brought against him Quayblue Oct 2014 #237

Unbelievable. PorridgeGun Oct 2014 #264

I have no idea? Seriously? MaggieD Oct 2014 #269

The incident report, he never filled one out.. FOIA request and the Fed investigation that is callin uponit7771 Oct 2014 #207

I'm reading this shit, too, and I'm thinking I'm on Drudge or Stormfront. Not on DU. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #196

Yeap, people are OUTRIGHT believing a guy who's saying by actions.. that he's NOT going to fill a uponit7771 Oct 2014 #215

From the autopsy reports, it is also now clear that he shot at Brown while Brown Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #219

Yeap, I could hear in those workers voices the disgust with Wilson.. W uponit7771 Oct 2014 #222

You can also hear them say "the kid did nothing wrong". Remember that? Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #240

Not just DU - but everyone uponit JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #212

WHOA!!!! Man that is BIG!! Bottom line how are they even thinking about a guy who's REFUSING uponit7771 Oct 2014 #218

It is big JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #226

The 5th is for the innocent as well as the guilty. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #228

Check that, if Wilson SUSPECTED he did something wrong then of course he'd hide uponit7771 Oct 2014 #244

I really thank you heaven05 Oct 2014 #216

thx uponit7771 Oct 2014 #261

According to this article, there is a report...just not by Ferguson PD Oilwellian Oct 2014 #229

And this is exactly what I have been trying to explain to people here Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #239

False, the FOAI already release the SLPD report and it's empty... these guys are assholes why uponit7771 Oct 2014 #246

No, SLCPD released a redacted, not empty report Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #255

Link, I don't see ANY redacted report of Wilsons account since he's the one on the original SLPD... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #257

Yes, the report is empty... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #245

Depending on all the witnesses TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #234

The actions after Brown ran away are the reason for the protest etc... no actions after Brown uponit7771 Oct 2014 #247

And you think there is no possibility that he attacked the cop? TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #250

Not from what the witness's said, since Wilson is hiding the truth the he has NOT AN OUNCE of ... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #253

"The cop backed up," to me that's damning thing #1 BuelahWitch Oct 2014 #268