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Fred Sanders

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Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:54 PM Oct 2014

Our obsession with the Ottawa shooter's religion reveals more about us than about him. [View all]

Last edited Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Deceased shooter had lengthy history of crimes, robbery to fraud to drunk driving and psychiatric interventions.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/23/7043845/ottawa-shooter-muslim-religion-does-not-matter

Yesterday, the media reported that Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the man allegedly responsible for a horrifying shooting spree in and around the Canadian parliament, was a convert to Islam. News reports on the shooting then spent much of the day fixated on that unconfirmed fact — even though there is as yet no evidence that his religion was a motivation for his actions. More sensational coverage discussed dubious social-media connections to ISIS.

These reports imply that because Zehaf-Bibeau was Muslim, jihad is the likely motivation for his attack. But at this stage, without any actual evidence, it makes no more sense to come to that conclusion than it would to assume that he was motivated by Quebecois separatism, just because he was from Quebec. At this point, our focus on the Ottawa shooter's religion says more about our own fears than it does about anything to do with Islamist terrorism.

On some level, of course, this feels like an obvious connection to make. ISIS dominates the news right now and we hear story after story of people from Western countries joining its jihadist campaign. Surely, it seems, Zehaf-Bibeau's religion must be relevant to the terrible crimes he committed yesterday?

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A man with a long and documented history of criminality, drugs and mental instability...but, hey, what religion was he? P.S. He was not on any police terrorist watch list....he was clear and irrefutably crazy man first, formost and only.

Watch the Canadian news sources, they are as honest and level headed as American sources are sensationalist and low brow.

(much more common sense and anti-fear mongering at the link)

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What I found interesting was that the first witness I saw interviewed about the attack Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #1
Good thing the civilized gun laws restricted him to a single action rifle......unlike the beloved Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #12
I thought his passport was yanked in July when trying to fly to Turkey? Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #2
RCMP said he was in process of applying for a passport...the RCMP is the only direct source. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #3
We'll see how the story plays out Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #4
Damn the facts, I have made up my mind...nice. Agree the passport thing was misrepresented? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #5
"misrepresented?" Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #13
Yes, yes, and that was not a question. Please read RCMP briefing today, I have posted it here for Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #14
i don't see why not, if someone shot up an abortion clinic and we knew he was JI7 Oct 2014 #6
Re: motive---Are you taking bets? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #7
An obsession that seems to swing both ways. Throd Oct 2014 #8
I can't help wondering how many threads on DU there would be about this guy Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #9
4,637...give or take a few. Throd Oct 2014 #10
He was foaming at the mouth for 13 years according to Canadian court records...drugs, theft, Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #11
Nothing in this material supports your assertion he was a drug addict. Nothing. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #15
It was a tête-à-tête response, you may see. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #16
what's that supposed to mean? You made a false assertion in a thread in which you are complaining Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #17
I can not post everything. He admitted his addiction to crack cocaine to a jail psychiatrist, there Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #21
Actually, I thought they tip-toed around it for hours. maced666 Oct 2014 #18
What were you "correctly" thinking? Because not anyone one of them was correct, other than he Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #20
You can tell a lot about a society by what they fear. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #19
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