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13. Is there anything specific you disagree with?

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Greenwald on the recent terror attack: Canada had it coming. They were wallowing in war glory [View all] Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 OP

More crap from ISIL's press secretary. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Vietnameravet Oct 2014 #3

I wonder how much the job pays. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #10

Well, they're making about a million bucks a day on blackmarket oil, so it's probably pretty good. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #15

Gross. Marr Oct 2014 #16

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot where I was for a moment. Silly me. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #19

Two in a row. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #24

Sorry. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #104

OK, that's funny. riqster Oct 2014 #128

All the credit goes to Whisp. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #131

The PTB do this every time some person Fawke Em Oct 2014 #269

Couldn't agree more. Remember the term "Obamabots"? "BOGgers"? "Turdway"? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #276

Speaking as a Canadian there is only one thing Legalequilibrium78 Oct 2014 #179

Also speaking as a Canadian laundry_queen Oct 2014 #188

I'm not trying to be snarky or difficult liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #204

It's how our parliamentary system works laundry_queen Oct 2014 #212

Thanks for the primer flamingdem Oct 2014 #224

Not a Canadian here ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #205

I think he's off the mark and I said so laundry_queen Oct 2014 #213

But that's the point ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #237

And that's not different from any other American journalist, really. laundry_queen Oct 2014 #240

I don't think ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #243

Again laundry_queen Oct 2014 #244

Thanks for the well thought out response. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #249

I love Toronto laundry_queen Oct 2014 #254

Most of the Albertans I knew ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #267

I know the feeling laundry_queen Oct 2014 #271

Agreed, LQ Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #241

LOL. okieinpain Oct 2014 #159

Hey, I'm the press secretary flamingdem Oct 2014 #223

Speaking of crap, that's some real crazed-ape shit-slinging you've got going on. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #231

Why, thank you "Comrade"! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #274

Well, that will go over wonderful with the warhawks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #2

And he made no such claim as asserted in the title of the OP. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #5

Well of course not LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #8

are we talking about Canada or Obama here? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #28

Doesn't matter much to Greenwald or his supporters. Any possibility of taking a swipe at either... stevenleser Oct 2014 #32

very true....he just has a burr under his saddle because he owes US money!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #33

Exactly Andy823 Oct 2014 #130

That description fits the US absolutely . . . but Canada? brush Oct 2014 #49

Canado joins the fight against ISIS (as they have joined every ME war since the Persian Gulf). Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #74

Canada wallowing in war glory? brush Oct 2014 #85

Ahem. Canada stayed out of Bush's invasion of Iraq gcomeau Oct 2014 #134

As I noted above, facts don't really matter to Greenwald or his supporters. They seek to inflame stevenleser Oct 2014 #135

As noted below (post #136), Journalist Leser, Canadian military personnel were indeed involved with Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #137

LOL, Flying a C17 is now "Wallowing in war glory" to you and Greenwald, eh? stevenleser Oct 2014 #138

I see you have forgotten Afghanistan and Libya, Journalist Leser. And thanks for Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #144

gcomeau: "Get a little perspective. Under those grounds the Red Cross joined the war too." stevenleser Oct 2014 #145

The Red Cross leads 35,000 troops in offensive combat missions? Have you reported on this Journalist Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #151

Are you responding to me or the person who said it? nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #152

Oh I am sure you can figure out the answer to that question yourself. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #153

Lets sum up your latest failed attempt to justify Greenwalds statement and your support thereof stevenleser Oct 2014 #155

And again. You omit Canada's role in Afghanistan and Libya. gcomeau made the claim that Canada Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #162

We're only going on the evidence you have provided to justify your position. You have failed. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #163

"Canada joins the fight against ISIS (as they have joined every ME war since the Persian Gulf)." Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #166

facts will get you nowhere with the irrational. Vattel Oct 2014 #172

Oddly enough, he kicked the thread thinking he had won,. Confuzled. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #193

And the propagandist. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #197

I've got to say, my opinion of that poster has dropped a lot in this thread. Marr Oct 2014 #187

+1 Thank you. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #195

Why do you stupidly insist that we Canadians Legalequilibrium78 Oct 2014 #202

I intelligently provided evidence that Canadians were involved in both Iraq Wars. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #206

Intelligently provided? Legalequilibrium78 Oct 2014 #238

Canadian pilots flew missions in Iraq Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #136

ROFLMAO, musta been those rambo transport pilots flying those C-17s wallowing... stevenleser Oct 2014 #139

Really, some supply flights and participating in some rebuilding operations? gcomeau Oct 2014 #142

No exaggeration is too great for Greenwald and his devoted followers when attacking the US and stevenleser Oct 2014 #146

Really. Your Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 personnel in offensive operations. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #149

And by that you mean... gcomeau Oct 2014 #169

My claim is that Canada was involved in the Gulf war. And see post 162. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #170

And to repeat... gcomeau Oct 2014 #171

Nope. My support for that clam is your military SECRETLY WITHOUT THE ADVICE OF PARLIAMENT Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #194

And... AGAIN.. gcomeau Oct 2014 #207

Indeed. Let's ignore those ships in the gulf. Face it. You've blood on your hands & you are lackies Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #211

That poster is not going to change their mind laundry_queen Oct 2014 #239

After you read LA's latest attempt to justify his and Greenwald's statements, see my #155 above. stevenleser Oct 2014 #156

At the top of my post: IN BOLD "Our new Defence Chief commanded U.S. troops in Iraq" Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #167

The FIRST word of the subject in the OP was "Greenwald". We're talking about GREENWALD. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #54

no You should keep up ..we are talking about what that VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #115

We're talking about cheating on taxes? Shit. I missed that. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #116

Yep he owes US....you and I money...he is a liar VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #117

Let me add some more relevance to the discussion... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #120

bullshit as expected....when you have no defense! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #123

Yes, he did. He linked Canada to countries that are "wallowing in war glory." pnwmom Oct 2014 #43

"Canada had it coming." Care to point out that part for me? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #55

You're splitting hairs. He blamed the attack on Canada's wallowing in war glory. pnwmom Oct 2014 #57

If I'M splitting hairs, you're holding the other side of the razor blade. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #58

facts don't matter that much in the BOG Doctor_J Oct 2014 #247

did he say the same about the terrorist attack at the Russian Train Station ? JI7 Oct 2014 #4

Why would he? He didn't say it about Canada, either. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #6

what did he say when Russia was attacked at the train station ? JI7 Oct 2014 #9

Nothing. He wouldn't say anything about China either, or about most other countries. stevenleser Oct 2014 #26

same agenda some on DU have.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #30

Unlike the agenda either one of you have? truebrit71 Oct 2014 #252

you mean voting for the winner of the Democratic Primary whoever that is agenda? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #256

Sure.... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #258

You should read the whole article yourself and not stop with the first paragraph. pnwmom Oct 2014 #44

Yes, he did. Why are you telling people to click on the link when you didn't yourself? pnwmom Oct 2014 #46

No. He does not say they had it coming. Never once ever. The entire article is focused on why Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #50

Take that, Canada! eissa Oct 2014 #7

Actually, he did not say that Canada had it coming. (nt) enough Oct 2014 #11

Yes, pretty much, he did. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #27

Except he didn't. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #36

What do you think he's doing in these two paragraphs? He's saying Canada brought it on itself. pnwmom Oct 2014 #47

he says it's not surprising. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #51

In this context, this is called pnwmom Oct 2014 #52

The context being... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #59

BOOM! You nailed it! n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #75

Indeed. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #82

The nitwits are libertarians like Greenwald, and his acolytes. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #86

Not in this thread, they aren't Scootaloo Oct 2014 #88

Not Sure That's Accurate ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #108

I want to thank you. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #270

Try to keep up. This thread isn't about Obama. It's about "Canada wallowing in war glory". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #277

His thesis is why should Canada be surprised. Can you answer that? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #80

If Greenwald is as bloody terrible as everyone says he is... tkmorris Oct 2014 #161

Do you honestly think that when you engage in war that people are not going to fight back? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #64

You are then unable to read the implicit and are limited to the literal? LanternWaste Oct 2014 #122

Go ahead and point that part out. You're a "journalist" so I expect you can back your claim. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #38

Good luck on getting getting that. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #42

Here: pnwmom Oct 2014 #48

Thanks, but Greenwald's isn't claiming Canada "had it coming". DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #53

He said it was the result of Canada's actions. Which is closer to pnwmom Oct 2014 #56

The issue here is not justification DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #63

Yep, he said it was cause and effect. I.e their acts brought on the attack. stevenleser Oct 2014 #66

Do I have to paste this again? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #68

You can wish your spin to be accurate as many times as you want stevenleser Oct 2014 #70

You ducked the question. I win the Internet. Bye. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #72

You have no question, only spin. Nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #73

Nope. He questioned why should Canada be surprised. Can you answer that question? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #78

If I leave a dollar peeking out of my pocket and someone steals it, that is a result. It does Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #89

It's nothing of the sort. Marr Oct 2014 #173

I get that you are desperate to defend Greenwald, but it is exactly as the OP says. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #175

Deceit does not become you. Marr Oct 2014 #176

That's why I never engage in it. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #177

No, you just put words into people's mouths.... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #253

Pnwmom beat me to it. Nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #65

a journalist!? wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #79

Something tells me you being fooled is not an uncommon occurrence nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #90

and something tells me... wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #92

Something tells me you have no idea what Dunning-Kruger actually means. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #118

you don't! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #178

And I got your point 100% And I agree 100% Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #200

Watch and learn..... msanthrope Oct 2014 #126

Klaatu Barada Nikto tkmorris Oct 2014 #158

Thats the difference between engaging with a computer/robot and comparing a human's assertions stevenleser Oct 2014 #160

Wrong Klaatu tkmorris Oct 2014 #164

You're the one who brought up talking to the robot and the reference doesnt work. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #165

My reference had nothing to do with a robot Steven tkmorris Oct 2014 #180

What a hoser, eh?? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #12

Is there anything specific you disagree with? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #13

Another falsehood about Greenwald courtesy of Cali Democrat. Vattel Oct 2014 #14

the smears against Greenwald are getting uglier and uglier. grasswire Oct 2014 #17

LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #20

I Always Forget He's Gay otohara Oct 2014 #34

He wrote 3 books skewering the Bush admin. Three. His blog that he started in 2005 was Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #39

Not Until He Changed His Mind otohara Oct 2014 #60

As he has explained. Oh so many times. He was politically disengaged and relied on the Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #69

"He was politically disengaged . . ." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #96

You think that is funny? Because my life work has been to engage the politically disengaged. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #97

Politically disengaged when he was running for public office? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #121

"I'll say!" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #279

Greenwald.. "I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country.." Cha Oct 2014 #83

Get a grip.. pushing back against Greenwald has nothing to do with his being Gay.. as you well know. Cha Oct 2014 #37

Having a smilie in your sig doesn't make you an ally Scootaloo Oct 2014 #61

I really and truly LOLed. Thank you, Scootaloo! Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #81

A call-out and an accusation all in one post davidpdx Oct 2014 #192

What on earth are you talking about? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #208

Whatever davidpdx Oct 2014 #214

Reel in the line and put the chum back in the cooler. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #215

Nah, you already caught enough by opening your mouth davidpdx Oct 2014 #216

Yes. Bart Gellman gets none of this crap. People go to Glenn's twitter feed to criticize him for Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #40

Yeah, why is that? He also works for a billionaire. deurbano Oct 2014 #248

So does Bart Gellman Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #257

Sorry I was unclear. That was my point. Gellman works for a billionaire, too. deurbano Oct 2014 #261

Oops! Reread and you were perfectly clear! Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #262

That is a disgusting comment. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #132

On the flipside: "Perhaps there's some racism driving GG's hatred for Obama, I can't see.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #278

Very dishonest post. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #18

Oh, so the ISIS supporters were 'paying Canada back' for Afghanistan. It's all so clear. randome Oct 2014 #21

#1. Where did you get the news that any of the killers were ISIS supporters. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #25

Well, ISIS is congratulating them so there's that. randome Oct 2014 #87

Talk about making no sense. First you claim that the connection to ISIS was inconceivable Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #91

Despicable. nt Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #22

Canada wallowing in war glory? Really? Rex Oct 2014 #23

Anything he thinks he can twist into an attack on the US, Canada and the UK is what he's about stevenleser Oct 2014 #29

How is this "Islamic act of terror" specifically defined as so by the Canadian govt. a correlation? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #45

that must be the Narcissist brand vodka too! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #31

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #35

RIP Nathan Cirillo and Fuck Off Greenwald.. you "stunned" blithering idiot. Cha Oct 2014 #41

+1 RandySF Oct 2014 #251

His article wasn't about Nathan. His article was written and posted before Nathan was killed. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #259

You should probably learn to read more carefully before engaging in analysis DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #62

It's SOP for the Greenwald haters. Cherry pick quotes, add negative spin - et voilà scarletwoman Oct 2014 #67

I won't hold my breath DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #71

How are full paragraphs a "cherry pick" of quotes? Seems pretty msanthrope Oct 2014 #129

It happens constantly.... KoKo Oct 2014 #236

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #76

At least we now know Putin's opinion on the matter. Barack_America Oct 2014 #77

The only thing your obsessive ongoing smear campaign against Glenn Greenwald convinces me of, scarletwoman Oct 2014 #84

... Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #93

lol.. It's Greenwald "smearing" himself. Such a fucking idiot always Smearing himself.. but, oh Cha Oct 2014 #94

"You are not my ally." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #95

in this thread, you single *that* out as petty? nt grasswire Oct 2014 #99

You are correct....also petty is the claim of "homophobia" msanthrope Oct 2014 #127

The sad thing is that claim has already been made in this thread by someone davidpdx Oct 2014 #191

Some people are only interested in gay "rights" when they can use it as a weapon. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #198

A very good point davidpdx Oct 2014 #199

I find it interesting how many supporters where calling gay rights a "pony" and called advocates TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #275

Dishonest smears are what's petty. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #111

Amen. Union Scribe Oct 2014 #181

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #185

The OP only quotes Glenn treestar Oct 2014 #229

Oh how the mighty have fallen. ucrdem Oct 2014 #98

Fuck Ron Paul! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #100

Panetta basically blew the clown car off the road ucrdem Oct 2014 #103

The GOP Klown Kar ran out of gas in 2012, after blowing all their tires out! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #105

Noam Chomsky. MIT professor and thorn in the body politic. PDJane Oct 2014 #107

That's Klown King "Obama Is ‘Dedicated To Increasing Terrorism’" ucrdem Oct 2014 #109

Of course, while the 'terror attack' by a drug-addicted, very confused young man was going down, PDJane Oct 2014 #101

Yes, very. ucrdem Oct 2014 #219

Clickbait journalism. joshcryer Oct 2014 #102

Yep, as a friend of mine said, the journalistic equivalent of trolling. That's who Greenwald is. stevenleser Oct 2014 #124

As someone who has lived in Canada ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #106

Funny, I have been listening to Harper talk about our illustrious dead for some time now. PDJane Oct 2014 #110

I agree with you about Harper. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #112

It's an exaggeration, yes. PDJane Oct 2014 #113

Yeah, an "exaggeration". NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #114

This sounds like Putin's lackey raising his dumbass head over Canada's space. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #119

What a disgusting insult to Nathan Cirillo. I hope the Highlanders msanthrope Oct 2014 #125

He is correct: Our government IS wallowing in war glory Bragi Oct 2014 #133

Oh yes, those rambo transport pilots yield much war glory to wallow in! stevenleser Oct 2014 #140

Keep pretending their involvement is restricted to only one war. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #141

Keep pretending I am not responding to the evidence you yourself are providing. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #147

Canadian Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 troops in offensive operations in Iraq. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #150

See my #155 above. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #157

It's not the warriors who wallow MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #203

I wish I could rec this post malokvale77 Oct 2014 #272

+1 laundry_queen Oct 2014 #196

Why are they splitting their votes then? treestar Oct 2014 #217

Why do we split our votes? Bragi Oct 2014 #222

I don't necessarily think it's a lesson for Democrats laundry_queen Oct 2014 #242

Time to change your Depends, Glenn. MineralMan Oct 2014 #143

You can read the same thing a dozen times a day, right here. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #148

Why am I not the least bit surprised by this.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #154

Kick nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #168

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #174

Par for the course though. nt Union Scribe Oct 2014 #182

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #189

It is what a person does AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #210

This clown was a homeless crackhead drifter according to the Calgary news Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2014 #183

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #184

BOOOM!! Fumesucker Oct 2014 #186

Why the hell was Union Scribes post hidden? S/He simply re-posted Cali Democrats own words! riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #220

Many people here approach jury duty like ninth graders voting for homecoming king. QC Oct 2014 #221

The fact that Union Scribe's post was hidden only makes this crew look twice as bad. Marr Oct 2014 #225

Par for the course. QC Oct 2014 #227

Then there's this... Fumesucker Oct 2014 #228

I saw that... Nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Oct 2014 #263

Hmm. Iggo Oct 2014 #264

Hmmm malokvale77 Oct 2014 #273

I was on the jury, still don't understand why it was hidden. tritsofme Oct 2014 #235

Wow. I hadn't seen that. Don't understand why it was hidden. deurbano Oct 2014 #250

How dare someone point out that the OP said the same thing... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #260

Rank hypocrisy, thy name is... Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Oct 2014 #245

What Union Scribe posted was objectively and empirically true - It is flat out impossible for ANYONE Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #266

OH MY GOD. Marr Oct 2014 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #201

you winh the thread nt grasswire Oct 2014 #209

Just Greenwald self-identifying as an asshole again. baldguy Oct 2014 #218

Is Cali_Democrat an asshole, too? Marr Oct 2014 #226

What he is addressing is 'blowback' and arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #232

These continuing anti-Greenwald tantrums are an embarrassment to DU. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #234

There are a vocal few that cannot help themselves... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #255

As a left-wing Canadian with family roots going back to the CCF, I have to say GliderGuider Oct 2014 #246

Rather astonishing Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #265

Congrats on learning how to spread propaganda. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #268

Politico: "Has Greenwald, Inc. Peaked? Thanks to Ed Snowden, Glenn Greenwald went from blogging.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #280