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Surya Gayatri

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Thu Dec 22, 2011, 10:40 AM

Dec 2011

posting this sorry, trollish excuse for a political analysis.
"As evidence of a failed Obama presidency accumulates..."--the author discredits himself in the first line. SG

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President Obama Richly Deserves to Be Dumped [View all] Better Believe It Dec 2011 OP

This shit again sharp_stick Dec 2011 #1

Lol! n/t RiffRandell Dec 2011 #5

So two "prominent liberals" -- including Barbara Ehrenreich, whoever she is -- pnwmom Dec 2011 #172

Barbara Ehrenreich wrote "Nickled and Dimed" great book @ about the working poor in America. bettyellen Dec 2011 #182

She supported Nader in 2000. libinnyandia Dec 2011 #184

i only know of her from her awesome book. bettyellen Dec 2011 #186

I bet the vast majority of DUers don't know that -- much less the average Democrat. pnwmom Dec 2011 #193

I was familiar with Barbara Ehrenreich years before Vanje Dec 2011 #195

Perhaps hardly a prominent liberal in the major media circuit of talk shows... MrMickeysMom Dec 2011 #204

She has a history of bad influence as noted by her support Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #219

She's a prominent liberal to real liberals. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #261

I've heard that for years JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #254

Wow, you don't know who Barbara Ehrenreich is? nt valerief Dec 2011 #199

I have known who Barbara Ehrenreich is for years. Plenty of DUers have posted stuff from and about Hissyspit Dec 2011 #224

No truly prominent Democrat is pushing for someone to primary Obama. pnwmom Dec 2011 #233

She is both prominent and widely known to liberals. As an important writer of our era. bettyellen Dec 2011 #260

I bet no more than 10% of DUers could tell you who she is. pnwmom Dec 2011 #288

Sincere thanks to you. n/t emcguffie Dec 2011 #268

Agreed. FarPoint Dec 2011 #7

How is it trollish to support legitamate compitition for the nomination? Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #14

he's the nominee. period. there is not competition. face it. wake up. spanone Dec 2011 #17

The fact the convention and primaries are still scheduled says otherwise. Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #26

i respectfully submit that you reconsider your lack of reality. spanone Dec 2011 #136

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In other words, we're not supposed to exercise our democratic rights. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #177

Thank you, Fantastic Anarchist. Brilliant reply. nt bertman Dec 2011 #201

Thank you, bertman. :) Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #265

I respectfully suggest you improve your command of the English language. emcguffie Dec 2011 #269

I recall Hillary saying the same thing in 2007 SixthSense Dec 2011 #125

Hillary said that? Control-Z Dec 2011 #148

tried to find the video SixthSense Dec 2011 #160

here it is -- AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #196

Was she the Democratic incumbant POTUS in 2007? Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #183

that's what I love about democracy hfojvt Dec 2011 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2011 #23

No, I don't, I support competionion for the nomination within the Democratic party. Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #31

My apologies... SidDithers Dec 2011 #37

Not a problem, I appreciate your passion and commitment to your beliefs. Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #38

First rule of Presidential Elections ... FarPoint Dec 2011 #28

I am familiar with that doctrine Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #33

Well then you better get ready Politicalboi Dec 2011 #81

WTH! Hutzpa Dec 2011 #99

w/everything good he's done you pick one issue and say that's it im done with him leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #124

ok... lemme give you a glass filled with 95% pure water, and the remaining 5% dorksied Dec 2011 #145

and just about every dem... dennis4868 Dec 2011 #232

Ridiculous arguement that apeals to the Black/White mindset of a conservative Thor_MN Dec 2011 #256

So this isn't a democracy. It's essentially a hijacking. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #178

In 1948 Daveparts3 Dec 2011 #240

in 2010 people tried to "give him pause" and we ended up with a house full of repubs leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #112

Simple. The point is... jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #141

I don't think that giving him competition to maybe "give him pause" is wise. Like I asked a gateley Dec 2011 #146

Wise counsel, my friend. Thank you. WheelWalker Dec 2011 #176

Maybe you need to read some history. Primary opponents only weaken an incumbent pnwmom Dec 2011 #173

Probably too young to remember Ted Kennedy primarying Jimmy Carter. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #185

Cause? or effect? Vanje Dec 2011 #198

Yep... ditto MrMickeysMom Dec 2011 #205

This drivel again... Scootaloo Dec 2011 #243

well said. Whisp Dec 2011 #250

"my guess is that only trolls will appreciate." You got it Number23 Dec 2011 #166

Apparently you have a problem with reality. RC Dec 2011 #16

No I have a problem sharp_stick Dec 2011 #22

You don't think there may be a reason for this "constant regurgitation" of Obama failings? RC Dec 2011 #34

"lot of us that recognize reality", just b/c you call your view reality doesnt make it so. leftyohiolib Dec 2011 #115

What is your stand on Progressive? RC Dec 2011 #131

This is why polmaven Dec 2011 #35

Amen to that! blue neen Dec 2011 #71

Its nice to have a hobby. grantcart Dec 2011 #117

Exactly.......polls now show Obama beating all comers... Historic NY Dec 2011 #220

Agreed. And it's a shame it got 225 rec's, too, and BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #228

Could not have said it better HDPaulG Dec 2011 #235

Agree HDPaulG Dec 2011 #234

reply uppityperson Dec 2011 #282

copy/paste dupe great white snark Dec 2011 #2

I didn't see it. Well, I'm clearly not the only DU'er who didn't read or see the article. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #9

But having seen it you are the only one that didn't self delete. grantcart Dec 2011 #119

Interesting, the refutations that aren't. tblue Dec 2011 #149

I believe you may be mistaken about that because cstanleytech Dec 2011 #171

Yeah. Buck the establishment until Liberals and Progressives BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #230

Lather/Rinse/Repeat nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #68

If Hillary, Dennis Kucinich or a real progressive ran in the primary Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #3

Hillary is no progressive. She an Obama are more like bookends. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #44

You are correct, but it would be a choice people out there would take were it offered Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #50

It would be a meaningless choice though NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #57

That's true. tblue Dec 2011 #150

Yeah cause Pres. Kucinich... surfdog Dec 2011 #63

yes he would have! He'd wave his magic progressive wand and they'd all vote for it! nt Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #187

So true BlueCaliDem Dec 2011 #231

The author of this piffle, John R. MacArthur, blue neen Dec 2011 #70

Somehow I doubt that will make any difference at all. redqueen Dec 2011 #73

Very well said. Number23 Dec 2011 #167

Be true to your "conscience"... A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #79

Hillary? Progressive? Really? stockholmer Dec 2011 #114

Hillary is definitely not a Progressive lunatica Dec 2011 #132

Neither is Obama. Beacool Dec 2011 #188

Hillary should be excluded from this group... MrMickeysMom Dec 2011 #206

LOL, Hillary is a neo-con. harun Dec 2011 #223

Please excuse my word fascist tendencies emcguffie Dec 2011 #270

He holds the '68 primary out as a relevant precedent BeyondGeography Dec 2011 #4

I know -- it's nuts. 1968 resulted in Nixon's election. pnwmom Dec 2011 #175

You're free to Vote for who you like ... Cigar11 Dec 2011 #6

So, you're just posting this article... SidDithers Dec 2011 #8

I post many articles I don't necessarily agree with. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #13

You put me on your ignore list 'cause I proved you wrong... SidDithers Dec 2011 #21

You post "articles you don't agree with" UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #62

Of course I do. I'm the only person who speaks for me. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #64

About myself? UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #74

I wish that I could rec a post. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #104

That's way off topic. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #127

So you're saying, again, that's it OK to hit a woman when she deserves it...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #129

Guess what. You were on my DU2 ignore list for personal attacks and you're back on it here. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #139

Oh, bitter irony... SidDithers Dec 2011 #157

Respectfully, I disagree. emcguffie Dec 2011 #271

I don't understand why a Harper supporter even has an opinion about our party Dragonfli Dec 2011 #164

ROFL... SidDithers Dec 2011 #211

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Yeah, and what if Hitler was a woman! A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #133

Okay. I think I think I'll title the thread UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #266

lolz Oh snap! JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #255

Indeed, at the end of his SECOND TERM Zalatix Dec 2011 #10

Now THAT is a splendid reply. great white snark Dec 2011 #19

As ProSense Dec 2011 #11

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #155

do we have to look at this headline for another 4 or 5 days? spanone Dec 2011 #12

Oh, absolutely RC Dec 2011 #24

Oh I'm sure the usual suspects sharp_stick Dec 2011 #25

Do you have an ignore button? Use it! Better Believe It Dec 2011 #65

The Presidents Gall ... Cigar11 Dec 2011 #15

"deserving" has nothing to do with it. treestar Dec 2011 #18

Rinse Repeat... SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #20

And in 2016 you will get another establishment Democrat who will say pretty words... rfranklin Dec 2011 #27

Who is Liberal/Progressive enough for you? SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #36

And that is not because liberal policies are not favored by the majority of Americans... rfranklin Dec 2011 #46

When do you expect to elect 60 non-centrist, non-moderate progressive Democrats to the Senate? Better Believe It Dec 2011 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2011 #30

Possibly. But the world does not deserve a Republican president. LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #29

Many people may feel that to be true Autumn Dec 2011 #32

Who is this "many" people? SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #41

Gee sorry, I don't have enough time to list names. Autumn Dec 2011 #45

ahh I see several SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #48

I see Autumn Dec 2011 #51

That's fair enough, SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #55

I cannot stand the people he chose to surround himself with Marrah_G Dec 2011 #39

I would rec this thread, but the OP threatens to ignore anybody who even SLIGTHLY disagrees Romulox Dec 2011 #40

Please feel free to disagree. I have no problem with that if you don't engage in personal attacks Better Believe It Dec 2011 #69

Show me the path that a Left Liberal gets elected in the next election. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #95

sad to say, but the game is fixed, there will be no 'left thrust' candidate stockholmer Dec 2011 #123

A pig just flew by my window. FedUp_Queer Dec 2011 #158

I just read this thread. emcguffie Dec 2011 #272

Lost me on the very first sentence - So I call bullshit! gtar100 Dec 2011 #42

agreed Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #54

There needs to be a real Progressive movement in America to push the Democratic Party to the left. matmar Dec 2011 #43

Let's just ignore these redundant, fringe posts frazzled Dec 2011 #47

+1000 SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #49

Agree in theory but some things you just cannot let stand unchallenged. great white snark Dec 2011 #53

I would love to. redqueen Dec 2011 #94

I know: and I often don't take my own advice, myself frazzled Dec 2011 #110

I rec'd it cuz I agree with BBI that we shouldn't primary Obama SunSeeker Dec 2011 #229

More and more, people only read headlines. (nt) redqueen Dec 2011 #237

"Let them believe it, like a religion. It's just a cry for attention" Number23 Dec 2011 #169

SMH Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #52

Failed Presidency? liberal N proud Dec 2011 #56

This has been posted several times emulatorloo Dec 2011 #58

This article was a piece of trash the first time it was posted. Did we really need to see it again? MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #59

There are any number of reasons why this is crap - but Dodd-Frank is the best one bhikkhu Dec 2011 #60

And just like the other 10,000 cookie-cutter "Primary Obama!" pieces Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #61

Yawn. Someone put up a primary challenger and get 'em elected. Hop to. CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #67

Yes, he does. And we all deserve human rights. But it's not a good time to seek either of them. saras Dec 2011 #72

lolz JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #75

You were on my DU3 ignore list for probably engaging in personal attacks rather than civil debate. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #190

"...serious debate and discussion.." JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #194

Hey, you might enjoy this: ProSense Dec 2011 #76

I'm doubling my efforts in your honor to get Obama elected in a landslide. tridim Dec 2011 #77

Yep. The "Click to see who rec'd a thread button" was made for crap like this. Number23 Dec 2011 #170

Why post this shit here Politicalboi Dec 2011 #78

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #82

I think you answered your own question. nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #85

"divide and conquer" emulatorloo Dec 2011 #86

You were on my DU3 ignore list probably because you engaged in personal attacks against DU'ers. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #192

You put me on ignore because I caught you using "selective quotation" to spread disinformation emulatorloo Dec 2011 #225

SOP there... SidDithers Dec 2011 #251

No soup for you! Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #280

I heartily disagree. emcguffie Dec 2011 #273

And be replaced by what, the lunatic right??!! No thank you!! center rising Dec 2011 #80

I judge Pres. Obama disndat Dec 2011 #83

AMERICA RICHLY DESERVES TO BE FUCKED AGAIN if we lissen to pricks like MacArthur....we gonna insert opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #84

+ 1000 Hutzpa Dec 2011 #87

I disagree with the headline. bvar22 Dec 2011 #88

Excellent post, bvar22 n/t MissDeeds Dec 2011 #98

+1 bbgrunt Dec 2011 #103

I was around in 1968: we dumped the guy who gave us Medicare frazzled Dec 2011 #111

I hated LBJ with a purple passion at that time for The WAR. bvar22 Dec 2011 #144

I also hated Johnson for the same reason as you. And I foolishly believed Nixon when he said he rhett o rick Dec 2011 #281

Good post but I believe that the strategy of Pres Obama is to shun the left and go for the rhett o rick Dec 2011 #143

The Democratic Party Leadership chose to ignore thhe Left in 2000, bvar22 Dec 2011 #267

Problem is, we can't afford to dump him... wial Dec 2011 #244

maybe so, but there ain't no challenge and I'm voting for him. cali Dec 2011 #89

Glad to see the New DU hasn't changed your ways snooper2 Dec 2011 #90

And your viable alternative is ...................??? Martin Eden Dec 2011 #91

'viable' will be one of the words written someday in the obituary of Pax Americana stockholmer Dec 2011 #96

Ending the tyranny of the money-changers will be considerably less 'viable' ... Martin Eden Dec 2011 #105

I would never advocate for the Republicans, but to think that the Democrats as they currently are stockholmer Dec 2011 #113

I don't don't think the Dems will end the banking cartel either Martin Eden Dec 2011 #126

So, what are you saying? emcguffie Dec 2011 #274

I said none of the words you're trying to put in my mouth Martin Eden Dec 2011 #284

No, I don't. emcguffie Dec 2011 #286

I had no intent to insult anyone, and I'm sorry if my post was misconstrued Martin Eden Dec 2011 #287

Well, thank you. emcguffie Dec 2011 #289

at the end of the day, the US sham 2 party system forces you to accept tyranny, pick your flavour stockholmer Dec 2011 #92

Excellent analysis Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #93

Silly analysis. jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #122

Seems about right. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #137

empiric wars = force projection on a global platform to ensure Anglo/American banker hegemony stockholmer Dec 2011 #180

To look at this from a balanced perspective, The Doctor. Dec 2011 #246

I really agree with you, well put stockholmer Dec 2011 #264

Excellent Analysis. bvar22 Dec 2011 #142

Very well put +1 AnOhioan Dec 2011 #165

"President Obama's rising approval rating: 4 theories" Raffi Ella Dec 2011 #97

There is some truth in the article Pigheaded Dec 2011 #100

Stoke, Stroke, Stroke .... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #101

Oh yeah That deserves audio video accompanyment BootinUp Dec 2011 #239

I find it enlightening to see who recs different threads. eom uppityperson Dec 2011 #102

We are all Democrats. Or most of us. emcguffie Dec 2011 #275

Wow, you read a lot into a few words. No, that is not what I am saying or suggesting. uppityperson Dec 2011 #278

"Good citizens check for duplicates.." Scurrilous Dec 2011 #106

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #135

Well, I for one missed it the first time around. emcguffie Dec 2011 #276

Obama does deserve to be dumped. sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #107

Dumped - with the only electable alternative being a Republican? ehrnst Dec 2011 #108

K&R (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #109

Dumped for WHO? Romney? Gingrich? STFU! FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #116

I disagree kenfrequed Dec 2011 #118

Hahahahahaha... jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #120

You were on my ignore list on DU2 due to your personal attacks on DU'ers. You're back on it. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #138

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Too bad for John... brooklynite Dec 2011 #121

This is just silly. Last week he was at 84% among Dems and his ratings are going up. OregonBlue Dec 2011 #128

stop watching young turks medeak Dec 2011 #130

I think Lawrence is the Hannity. tblue Dec 2011 #152

he's the smartest on cable news medeak Dec 2011 #163

Obama has his faults however Pakid Dec 2011 #134

John R. MacArthur can go fuck himself. He's a purist loon. RBInMaine Dec 2011 #147

That's a very powerful rebuttal to the article. Thanks for your insight and knowledge. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #154

Are you? blue neen Dec 2011 #162

Do you think "John R. MacArthur can go fuck himself" is an effective and powerful rebuttal? Better Believe It Dec 2011 #214

At least the post was sincere, which makes it more powerful, IMHO. blue neen Dec 2011 #217

I think "John R. MacArthur can go fuck himself" is an effective Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #222

SSDD BlueMTexpat Dec 2011 #151

isn't that funny eh? dionysus Dec 2011 #161

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #253

this thread does, that's for sure. dionysus Dec 2011 #156

I just read the latest threads... ElboRuum Dec 2011 #159

Then who? bjobotts Dec 2011 #168

Well, to be honest I not believe he has achieved very much as president cstanleytech Dec 2011 #174

Why doesn't anyone address kurtzapril4 Dec 2011 #181

The sad fact is that everything you said is valid. However, the republicans ARE much worse. There still_one Dec 2011 #208

Thank you for replying, Still One kurtzapril4 Dec 2011 #262

Disagree Taverner Dec 2011 #189

"Failed" is one of the Republican campaign talking points. It's getting to where one can't tell... Honeycombe8 Dec 2011 #191

We will be stuck with someone who doesn't by either party 4dsc Dec 2011 #197

In other words, the American Dream is only a dream. Life is a nightmare. nt valerief Dec 2011 #200

Thank you for posting this, BetterBelieveIt. REC. nt bertman Dec 2011 #202

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Sure do wish unrec would come back. This stinks. I see Pres. Obama the best one in the race! The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #207

Obviously, especially when you look at the republicans that are running /nt still_one Dec 2011 #210

Absolutly. He is better by miles. The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #279

Woe! Don't befuddle me with reality... ooglymoogly Dec 2011 #212

right, we would be much better under 8 more years of Republican rule bottomofthehill Dec 2011 #213

Most in DC deserve to be dumped (nt) bigwillq Dec 2011 #215

So if you are opposed to a primary are you hoping for a republican win? Maraya1969 Dec 2011 #216

Hear! Hear! Primary his Wall St. loving ass! Roland99 Dec 2011 #218

Don't forget the birth certificate! JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #221

I'd Dump Him In A Heartbeat If There Was A Viable Alternative colsohlibgal Dec 2011 #226

This is not a "failed" administration; there should be no primary challenge. SunSeeker Dec 2011 #227

When will a real liberal or progressive get off his/her ass and do half as much as Obama or ... BootinUp Dec 2011 #236

The Koch Brothers & Karl Rove DallasNE Dec 2011 #238

Doesn't President Obama always tell us we should "hold his feet to the fire"? Common Sense Party Dec 2011 #241

No DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #245

How so? Common Sense Party Dec 2011 #263

Bullshit DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #242

A true progressive could defeat Obama in the primary INdemo Dec 2011 #247

you haven't been paying attention certainot Dec 2011 #249

Can you back that statement up? onenote Dec 2011 #252

Its kind of too late for that, don't you think? Jennicut Dec 2011 #257

this again? why would the pres mention that? certainot Dec 2011 #248

It is not about what Obama deserves. dhpgetsit Dec 2011 #258

Why waste the bandwidth Surya Gayatri Dec 2011 #259

I've been saying this all down this thread. emcguffie Dec 2011 #277

Answer... Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Dec 2011 #285