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Maedhros

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17. What is to be gained by treating these incidents as religious in nature as opposed to psycopathic?

Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:43 PM

Oct 2014

Why is it important to establish religion as the causal factor? What, exactly, will that help us do to prevent future incidents?

Assume that it is decided that "radical Islam" was the cause of the violence. How does this help prevent further violence? What "sensible actions" do you propose? Place millions of ordinary Muslims on watch lists in an effort to identify the potentially radical ones? Monitor all Muslim interpersonal communications looking for terror plots? Restrict Muslims' travel, or access to weapons? Require Muslims to wear a prominent red crescent to identify themselves so we can take measures to protect ourselves?

Should we just follow Peter King's lead?

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/24/gop_congressman_demands_all_out_surveillance_of_muslims_after_canadian_parliament_shooting/

Profiling based upon religion is a slippery slope, with dubious expectation of success.

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The left needs to get real about domestic jihadists [View all] Bragi Oct 2014 OP

Domestic Terrorists are the base of the GOP Today and Nothing will be done about it either Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #1

On this issue I agree 100% with you and with hifiguy Oct 2014 #2

Leftists? randys1 Oct 2014 #3

I think he means that everyone should be scared and buy more beds to hide under, domestic Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #4

Of course that's not at all what I wrote or meant Bragi Oct 2014 #8

I have to wonder what our (DU's) take would be... Whiskeytide Oct 2014 #41

A quote from Nobel Laureate in Physics Steven Weinberg: hifiguy Oct 2014 #49

I heard myself saying to a friend that we have to accept that some Muslims do violence randys1 Oct 2014 #10

What? GummyBearz Oct 2014 #35

Not required but highly suggested LOL randys1 Oct 2014 #39

Whew GummyBearz Oct 2014 #43

You should consider yourself special, I have never before responded to what I consider randys1 Oct 2014 #52

Maybe you should rethink anger as a first response. Throd Oct 2014 #65

Nah, when I hear racist pricks or assholes attacking me or defending murderers or polluters randys1 Oct 2014 #112

I think... GummyBearz Oct 2014 #86

Well, there are quite a few Dominionists and John Bircher types who are driving policy. haele Oct 2014 #74

What colossal bullshit leftynyc Oct 2014 #58

. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #97

Every part of a horse is beautiful, even it's ass. If people showing their asses online were that freshwest Oct 2014 #143

Thats funny....comparing ISIS to Westboro. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #99

Both are corruptions of their religion. Period. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #125

Devastating conclusion . Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #134

It is exported via social media platforms which are based in America CJCRANE Oct 2014 #5

Good point, we need to think through this stuff Bragi Oct 2014 #14

I'm not sure how easy it is to track loners who self-radicalize CJCRANE Oct 2014 #23

Then we should declare religion a mental illness. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #149

The problem is: PeoViejo Oct 2014 #6

Yep. It's another asymmetrical war Bragi Oct 2014 #51

It suggests nothing of the sort. Maedhros Oct 2014 #117

You wrote about "Liberal pearl clutchers" Bragi Oct 2014 #146

Consider the phrase to be in scare quotes. Maedhros Oct 2014 #147

True Enough. Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #7

That horse has already left the barn. Throd Oct 2014 #9

The cultural relativism extremists are a sad lot. hifiguy Oct 2014 #13

There's really no such thing as "jihadism." Fawke Em Oct 2014 #73

"Jihad is one's own inner struggle." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #126

Thanks for buying into the propaganda. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #148

So, what exactly is your stance on colonialism and Anglo/American imperialism? redgreenandblue Oct 2014 #16

It certainly played a part hifiguy Oct 2014 #22

You won't ever see me arguing against de-funding Saudi Arabia. redgreenandblue Oct 2014 #82

Short Answer, Sir, As I Am About To Leave On An Errand The Magistrate Oct 2014 #47

Those are fair points. redgreenandblue Oct 2014 #81

Another hit out of the ballpark again, that may garner harsh reaction. freshwest Oct 2014 #145

The threat of "domestic jihadists" is VASTLY overblown. alarimer Oct 2014 #11

Is it overblown by the panic-of-the-day M$M? hifiguy Oct 2014 #15

What if reality takes a fearful turn? Bragi Oct 2014 #18

"The Left" doesn't pretend threats don't exist, Maedhros Oct 2014 #76

"we just tend to disagree that the Constitution should be burned to stop them." woo me with science Oct 2014 #101

I'm always suspicious of posters that begin a thread with "I'm really ultra-liberal, BUT..." Maedhros Oct 2014 #110

Try telling that to Colleen Hufford's family. WillowTree Oct 2014 #21

Nobody is trying to minimize the Hufford family's grief. Maedhros Oct 2014 #115

Just wait... GummyBearz Oct 2014 #12

Post #4 leftynyc Oct 2014 #60

And yes, leftynyc Oct 2014 #61

+1 Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #98

What is to be gained by treating these incidents as religious in nature as opposed to psycopathic? Maedhros Oct 2014 #17

Good questions all! Bragi Oct 2014 #20

It is a political movement hifiguy Oct 2014 #27

That isn't my view Bragi Oct 2014 #32

It's a fringe dogma in the Muslim world as a whole but ISIL and its supporters are dogma-fueled. hifiguy Oct 2014 #37

History has numerous examples of how making a religion one's enemy has resulted in atrocity. Maedhros Oct 2014 #40

It is NOT the religious dogma of Islam to do as ISIS does, why is that beyond some folks pay grade? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #64

The separation between Saudi Arabia's Bronze Age Wahhabism hifiguy Oct 2014 #75

Well, who speaks for Islam, then? randome Oct 2014 #78

Who speaks for Christianity, Westboro church? Fox News? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #127

Who speaks for Christianity? Lot of murdering, gun toting 32000 deaths a year in a Christian nation? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #128

I am suspicious of my country's "new" and "appropriate" responses to terrorism. Maedhros Oct 2014 #36

For starters, GummyBearz Oct 2014 #25

you should get out and actually read some of the various holy books out there snooper2 Oct 2014 #31

This should not be forgotten. hifiguy Oct 2014 #42

"My God so much better than your God", when does it ever end? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #131

Thank you. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #77

I'm more worried about domestic CRUSADERS meow2u3 Oct 2014 #19

As I already noted Bragi Oct 2014 #24

Not even La Familia Michoacana or the Lord's Resistance Army? ck4829 Oct 2014 #33

"Tens of thousands" sounds like a stretch. Maedhros Oct 2014 #48

Seriously? U.S Christians are a bigger threat? Bragi Oct 2014 #53

There are more of them, they have more opportunity to cause harm, Maedhros Oct 2014 #72

They are more of a threat because they vote for the TeaPubliKlans and neocons TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #138

How did they get those soldiers? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #93

Winner! GummyBearz Oct 2014 #29

Oh goody. .. 99Forever Oct 2014 #26

Your dismissive smear is a dreary attempt to shut down discussion Bragi Oct 2014 #38

Hogwash. 99Forever Oct 2014 #55

Well that explains everything Bragi Oct 2014 #56

Just what is it you need explained? 99Forever Oct 2014 #91

+1 grossproffit Oct 2014 #113

Ooh, you added "phobia" to the end of the word Islam. Now we can't discuss this issue. Throd Oct 2014 #46

Stop the bullshit leftynyc Oct 2014 #62

Then you'll love this from GoneOffShore Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #106

The classic "other". 99Forever Oct 2014 #118

"sensible action to protect ourselves against homegrown jihadists" jberryhill Oct 2014 #28

How is your comment relevant? Bragi Oct 2014 #34

Ebola has yet to kill 5,000, AIDS in Africa, last year alone killed 1.3 million people.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #57

Two kids were just killed by a gunman in my county Scootaloo Oct 2014 #94

Correct jberryhill Oct 2014 #102

two young men died in a traffic accident near me jberryhill Oct 2014 #142

Could be both ck4829 Oct 2014 #30

Yes! It isn't just one or the other Bragi Oct 2014 #44

I am more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than a jihadist. dilby Oct 2014 #45

Your comment is irrelevant to the discussion Bragi Oct 2014 #54

why minimize one threat by exaggerating another whatthehey Oct 2014 #68

AIDS is the number one killer in Africa, 1.2 million last year alone. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #69

I think my fellow left of left lefty leftists Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #50

Please, do tell us... Oilwellian Oct 2014 #59

I'm not sure right now Bragi Oct 2014 #67

What works against the Klan, Nazis, Supremacists etc? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #85

Maybe it's a difference of perception. randome Oct 2014 #87

About shaping kids and peoples perceptions here in North America One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #88

Mocking them is vital.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #135

What's wrong with mocking Islam or Christianity? Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #151

So what solutions do you have? alp227 Oct 2014 #63

No good progressive should make excuses for or go soft on Islamic terrorists bluestateguy Oct 2014 #66

Exactly Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #70

VERY well said. hifiguy Oct 2014 #95

" Islamic terrorists ...... Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #109

I would prefer our govt and our allies CJCRANE Oct 2014 #141

The label "terrorist" is political. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #71

What would you consider to be "sensible action action against homegrown jihadists"? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #79

You can bet some GOPers will try to 'save' us using all of those. randome Oct 2014 #80

That's a good, if unlikely to happen, idea. In this, we agree. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #83

Strange, isn't it? Must have been that eclipse yesterday. randome Oct 2014 #84

Or, perhaps, a mutual visit from Mr. Al Zeimers. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #89

Oh, gosh, more left bashing. How special. Warpy Oct 2014 #90

What I have seen during my 2 years on DU. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #100

Face it, there are many more violent, self identified Christians in the US than Muslims Warpy Oct 2014 #108

Lets do some math GummyBearz Oct 2014 #121

I went to high school in Klan counry. Warpy Oct 2014 #123

Racists GummyBearz Oct 2014 #129

That was rather the point I'd been trying to make Warpy Oct 2014 #136

That can be said about any religion, tbh. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #122

The OP doesn't seem to actually know anything about the Left, funny they pretend Rex Oct 2014 #105

No kidding! Warpy Oct 2014 #111

I think you are on to something! Rex Oct 2014 #114

Well, I was with him until he got to the tag part Warpy Oct 2014 #119

Yeah, same here. Someone replied with the correct answer. Rex Oct 2014 #120

Okay. Tell this leftist your solution to the "Muslim problem," please. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #92

Way back at the beginning of the ISIS I think I heard on Chris Hayes show that ISIS called for their jwirr Oct 2014 #96

"Something Must Be Done!!1" whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #103

Funny, nothing you wrote sounds like something a Lefty would say. Rex Oct 2014 #104

The 'left' is realistic - fringe elements are in all brackets. maced666 Oct 2014 #107

Beware the ISIS Zombie Apocalypse! whatchamacallit Oct 2014 #116

I don't think terrorism and insanity are mutually exclusive. EX500rider Oct 2014 #124

LOL. You 'way left', so you oppose military intervention in the Middle East? Because thats grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #130

you have a point, but the ones who do things here in the US/Canada treestar Oct 2014 #132

Here is a data based analysis drmeow Oct 2014 #133

NYPD: Hatchet attack an act of terror Baclava Oct 2014 #137

Sorry, I feel there are two items missing in this OP sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #139

Punch down and kick left, move to and kiss up and move right all day, every day. TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #140

Of the even-arguably-terror attacks in my area: LeftyMom Oct 2014 #144

So, who do we need to blow up, what rights do we need to erode, what values must we abandon? TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #150