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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald on the recent terror attack: Canada had it coming. They were wallowing in war glory [View all]Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)150. Canadian Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 troops in offensive operations in Iraq.
September 2008: Canada's Real Role in Iraq
Our new Defence Chief commanded U.S. troops in Iraq
- See more at: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/monitor/september-2008-canadas-real-role-iraq#sthash.SlvIJHVr.dpuf
And there is more.
Our new Defence Chief commanded U.S. troops in Iraq
- See more at: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/monitor/september-2008-canadas-real-role-iraq#sthash.SlvIJHVr.dpuf
During his three decades of military service, Canadas new Chief of Defence--L.Gen Walter Natynczyk--has led soldiers in Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, and East Timor. But his fighting career reached a crescendo during his 2004 stint in Baghdad.
In that year, while embedded in the highest levels of command of Multi-National Corps Iraq (MNC-I), Natynczyk led 35,000 troops fighting throughout Iraq. Working first as its Deputy Director of Strategy, Policy and Plans, and then as its Deputy Commanding General, he helped MNC I fulfill its mission to conduct "offensive operations to defeat remaining non-compliant forces and neutralize destabilizing influences in Iraq." (This information may be obtained from his senior officer biography.)
Natynczyk's leadership in the Iraq war contradicts one of our country's most popular misconceptions: that the Liberal governments of Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin defiantly stood up to George Bush by refusing to participate in the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.
In that year, while embedded in the highest levels of command of Multi-National Corps Iraq (MNC-I), Natynczyk led 35,000 troops fighting throughout Iraq. Working first as its Deputy Director of Strategy, Policy and Plans, and then as its Deputy Commanding General, he helped MNC I fulfill its mission to conduct "offensive operations to defeat remaining non-compliant forces and neutralize destabilizing influences in Iraq." (This information may be obtained from his senior officer biography.)
Natynczyk's leadership in the Iraq war contradicts one of our country's most popular misconceptions: that the Liberal governments of Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin defiantly stood up to George Bush by refusing to participate in the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.
And there is more.
Military participation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War
Though no declaration of war was issued, the Governor General-in-Council did order the mobilization of a number of Canadian Forces personnel to serve actively in Iraq.[2] On 31 March 2003, it was reported in Maclean's that in the previous month Canadian officers, aboard three frigates and a destroyer, had been placed in command of the multinational naval group Task Force 151, which patrolled the Persian Gulf region. A further 30 Canadians worked at the US Central Command in Qatar, and 150 troops were on exchange with US and British forces in proximity to combat.[4] North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) stationed Canadian Air Force pilots also flew combat missions with the US Air Force E-3 Sentry, and exchange officers fought with US units. Canadian pilots also flew Boeing C-17s into Iraq to "season" the flight crews.[8] In all, 40 to 50 Canadian military members participated in the conflict.
Because of this Canadian involvement in Iraq, the Ministers of the Crown at the time were criticised by Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition as hypocritical, and demands were made for the return of these Canadian Forces personnel. The Prime Minister stated that the Canadian military was not involved in direct combat, while still fulfilling its commitment to NORAD. However, it was claimed by Janice Gross Stein and Eugene Lang in The Unexpected War that people from Canadian ministries were in Washington, D.C., openly vaunting Canada's participation in Iraq;[2] as Stein and Lang put it: "in an almost schizophrenic way, the government bragged publicly about its decision to stand aside from the war in Iraq because it violated core principles of multilateralism and support for the United Nations. At the same time, senior Canadian officials, military officers and politicians were currying favour in Washington, privately telling anyone in the State Department of the Pentagon who would listen that, by some measures, Canada's indirect contribution to the American war effort in Iraq three ships and 100 exchange officers exceeded that of all but three other countries that were formally part of the coalition."[2][9]
Amongst the Canadian officers who were sent to Iraq were: Brigadier General Walter Natynczyk, who was later appointed Chief of the Defence Staff; Major General Peter Devlin, who served since 14 December 2006 as Multi-National Corps-Iraq Deputy Command General as part of his role as Deputy Commander of the US III Corps through an officer exchange program;[10] and General Nicolas Matern, a special forces officer and former commander of Canada's elite counter-terrorism unit, who in mid February 2008 began service as deputy to Lieutenant General Lloyd Austin.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War
Though no declaration of war was issued, the Governor General-in-Council did order the mobilization of a number of Canadian Forces personnel to serve actively in Iraq.[2] On 31 March 2003, it was reported in Maclean's that in the previous month Canadian officers, aboard three frigates and a destroyer, had been placed in command of the multinational naval group Task Force 151, which patrolled the Persian Gulf region. A further 30 Canadians worked at the US Central Command in Qatar, and 150 troops were on exchange with US and British forces in proximity to combat.[4] North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) stationed Canadian Air Force pilots also flew combat missions with the US Air Force E-3 Sentry, and exchange officers fought with US units. Canadian pilots also flew Boeing C-17s into Iraq to "season" the flight crews.[8] In all, 40 to 50 Canadian military members participated in the conflict.
Because of this Canadian involvement in Iraq, the Ministers of the Crown at the time were criticised by Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition as hypocritical, and demands were made for the return of these Canadian Forces personnel. The Prime Minister stated that the Canadian military was not involved in direct combat, while still fulfilling its commitment to NORAD. However, it was claimed by Janice Gross Stein and Eugene Lang in The Unexpected War that people from Canadian ministries were in Washington, D.C., openly vaunting Canada's participation in Iraq;[2] as Stein and Lang put it: "in an almost schizophrenic way, the government bragged publicly about its decision to stand aside from the war in Iraq because it violated core principles of multilateralism and support for the United Nations. At the same time, senior Canadian officials, military officers and politicians were currying favour in Washington, privately telling anyone in the State Department of the Pentagon who would listen that, by some measures, Canada's indirect contribution to the American war effort in Iraq three ships and 100 exchange officers exceeded that of all but three other countries that were formally part of the coalition."[2][9]
Amongst the Canadian officers who were sent to Iraq were: Brigadier General Walter Natynczyk, who was later appointed Chief of the Defence Staff; Major General Peter Devlin, who served since 14 December 2006 as Multi-National Corps-Iraq Deputy Command General as part of his role as Deputy Commander of the US III Corps through an officer exchange program;[10] and General Nicolas Matern, a special forces officer and former commander of Canada's elite counter-terrorism unit, who in mid February 2008 began service as deputy to Lieutenant General Lloyd Austin.[11]
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Greenwald on the recent terror attack: Canada had it coming. They were wallowing in war glory [View all]
Cali_Democrat
Oct 2014
OP
Well, they're making about a million bucks a day on blackmarket oil, so it's probably pretty good.
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2014
#15
Speaking of crap, that's some real crazed-ape shit-slinging you've got going on.
Comrade Grumpy
Oct 2014
#231
Doesn't matter much to Greenwald or his supporters. Any possibility of taking a swipe at either...
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#32
very true....he just has a burr under his saddle because he owes US money!!!
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#33
Canado joins the fight against ISIS (as they have joined every ME war since the Persian Gulf).
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#74
As I noted above, facts don't really matter to Greenwald or his supporters. They seek to inflame
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#135
As noted below (post #136), Journalist Leser, Canadian military personnel were indeed involved with
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#137
LOL, Flying a C17 is now "Wallowing in war glory" to you and Greenwald, eh?
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#138
I see you have forgotten Afghanistan and Libya, Journalist Leser. And thanks for
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#144
gcomeau: "Get a little perspective. Under those grounds the Red Cross joined the war too."
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#145
The Red Cross leads 35,000 troops in offensive combat missions? Have you reported on this Journalist
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#151
Lets sum up your latest failed attempt to justify Greenwalds statement and your support thereof
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#155
And again. You omit Canada's role in Afghanistan and Libya. gcomeau made the claim that Canada
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#162
We're only going on the evidence you have provided to justify your position. You have failed. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#163
"Canada joins the fight against ISIS (as they have joined every ME war since the Persian Gulf)."
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#166
I intelligently provided evidence that Canadians were involved in both Iraq Wars.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#206
ROFLMAO, musta been those rambo transport pilots flying those C-17s wallowing...
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#139
No exaggeration is too great for Greenwald and his devoted followers when attacking the US and
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#146
Really. Your Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 personnel in offensive operations.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#149
My claim is that Canada was involved in the Gulf war. And see post 162.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#170
Nope. My support for that clam is your military SECRETLY WITHOUT THE ADVICE OF PARLIAMENT
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#194
Indeed. Let's ignore those ships in the gulf. Face it. You've blood on your hands & you are lackies
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#211
After you read LA's latest attempt to justify his and Greenwald's statements, see my #155 above.
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#156
At the top of my post: IN BOLD "Our new Defence Chief commanded U.S. troops in Iraq"
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#167
The FIRST word of the subject in the OP was "Greenwald". We're talking about GREENWALD.
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2014
#54
You're splitting hairs. He blamed the attack on Canada's wallowing in war glory.
pnwmom
Oct 2014
#57
If I'M splitting hairs, you're holding the other side of the razor blade.
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2014
#58
Nothing. He wouldn't say anything about China either, or about most other countries.
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#26
you mean voting for the winner of the Democratic Primary whoever that is agenda?
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2014
#256
You should read the whole article yourself and not stop with the first paragraph.
pnwmom
Oct 2014
#44
Yes, he did. Why are you telling people to click on the link when you didn't yourself?
pnwmom
Oct 2014
#46
No. He does not say they had it coming. Never once ever. The entire article is focused on why
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#50
What do you think he's doing in these two paragraphs? He's saying Canada brought it on itself.
pnwmom
Oct 2014
#47
Try to keep up. This thread isn't about Obama. It's about "Canada wallowing in war glory".
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2014
#277
Do you honestly think that when you engage in war that people are not going to fight back?
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#64
Go ahead and point that part out. You're a "journalist" so I expect you can back your claim.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2014
#38
Yep, he said it was cause and effect. I.e their acts brought on the attack.
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#66
Nope. He questioned why should Canada be surprised. Can you answer that question?
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#78
If I leave a dollar peeking out of my pocket and someone steals it, that is a result. It does
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#89
I get that you are desperate to defend Greenwald, but it is exactly as the OP says. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#175
Something tells me you have no idea what Dunning-Kruger actually means. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#118
Thats the difference between engaging with a computer/robot and comparing a human's assertions
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#160
You're the one who brought up talking to the robot and the reference doesnt work. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#165
He wrote 3 books skewering the Bush admin. Three. His blog that he started in 2005 was
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#39
As he has explained. Oh so many times. He was politically disengaged and relied on the
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#69
You think that is funny? Because my life work has been to engage the politically disengaged.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#97
Greenwald.. "I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country.."
Cha
Oct 2014
#83
Get a grip.. pushing back against Greenwald has nothing to do with his being Gay.. as you well know.
Cha
Oct 2014
#37
Yes. Bart Gellman gets none of this crap. People go to Glenn's twitter feed to criticize him for
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#40
Sorry I was unclear. That was my point. Gellman works for a billionaire, too.
deurbano
Oct 2014
#261
On the flipside: "Perhaps there's some racism driving GG's hatred for Obama, I can't see....
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2014
#278
Oh, so the ISIS supporters were 'paying Canada back' for Afghanistan. It's all so clear.
randome
Oct 2014
#21
#1. Where did you get the news that any of the killers were ISIS supporters.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#25
Talk about making no sense. First you claim that the connection to ISIS was inconceivable
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#91
Anything he thinks he can twist into an attack on the US, Canada and the UK is what he's about
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#29
How is this "Islamic act of terror" specifically defined as so by the Canadian govt. a correlation?
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#45
His article wasn't about Nathan. His article was written and posted before Nathan was killed.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#259
You should probably learn to read more carefully before engaging in analysis
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2014
#62
It's SOP for the Greenwald haters. Cherry pick quotes, add negative spin - et voilà
scarletwoman
Oct 2014
#67
The only thing your obsessive ongoing smear campaign against Glenn Greenwald convinces me of,
scarletwoman
Oct 2014
#84
lol.. It's Greenwald "smearing" himself. Such a fucking idiot always Smearing himself.. but, oh
Cha
Oct 2014
#94
Some people are only interested in gay "rights" when they can use it as a weapon.
Behind the Aegis
Oct 2014
#198
I find it interesting how many supporters where calling gay rights a "pony" and called advocates
TheKentuckian
Oct 2014
#275
The GOP Klown Kar ran out of gas in 2012, after blowing all their tires out!
Major Hogwash
Oct 2014
#105
Of course, while the 'terror attack' by a drug-addicted, very confused young man was going down,
PDJane
Oct 2014
#101
Yep, as a friend of mine said, the journalistic equivalent of trolling. That's who Greenwald is.
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#124
Funny, I have been listening to Harper talk about our illustrious dead for some time now.
PDJane
Oct 2014
#110
This sounds like Putin's lackey raising his dumbass head over Canada's space.
LawDeeDah
Oct 2014
#119
Keep pretending I am not responding to the evidence you yourself are providing. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#147
Canadian Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 troops in offensive operations in Iraq.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2014
#150
This clown was a homeless crackhead drifter according to the Calgary news
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Oct 2014
#183
Why the hell was Union Scribes post hidden? S/He simply re-posted Cali Democrats own words!
riderinthestorm
Oct 2014
#220
The fact that Union Scribe's post was hidden only makes this crew look twice as bad.
Marr
Oct 2014
#225
What Union Scribe posted was objectively and empirically true - It is flat out impossible for ANYONE
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2014
#266
As a left-wing Canadian with family roots going back to the CCF, I have to say
GliderGuider
Oct 2014
#246
Politico: "Has Greenwald, Inc. Peaked? Thanks to Ed Snowden, Glenn Greenwald went from blogging....
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2014
#280