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KingCharlemagne

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12. I must respectfully disagree with you here, at least
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 12:45 AM
Oct 2014

on purely financial terms (issues of the morality of stock ownership notwithstanding). Over the long haul domestic stocks return on average about 10% per year, far superior to the returns on bonds or savings accounts (or stashing cash in the mattress). I think the key is for workers participating in 401-K plans to make sure their investment choices match their (true) risk profiles. For example, if they think they might need the money before retirement, workers should dedicate a far greater percentage to money market funds, where safety of principal is almost as good as it is for U.S. FDIC-insured savings accounts. When I was working and contributing, I frequently adjusted the % I was putting into Money Market accounts in a contrary direction to the overall market. That is, if the stock market went up 20% in a single year (as it did a couple times during the first decade of this century), I drastically increased the % I was putting into money market funds, so as to decrease my exposure to risk from bubble-fueled speculation.

I would also note that 'buying stocks' of individual companies tends to be far riskier than investing in mutual funds or exchange traded funds, which hold a basket of a large number of companies. When I did buy shares of stocks in individual companies I liked to buy the stocks of 'socially responsible companies,' i.e., those whose labor and\or environmental practices marked them out as relatively progressive. By the same taken, I tried religiously to avoid socially regressive companies like Halliburton, WalMart and McDonalds. It's not easy when the 401-K plan requires you to invest in mutual funds over whose holdings you have little or no control. But it can be done with sufficient study and planning.

I would finally note that Democratic supporters Warren Buffet and George Soros would never call what they do 'gambling.' They would call it 'investing.'

My wife and I have pulled some money out Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #1
I drained mine a couple years ago. DCBob Oct 2014 #2
My father retired from GE 25 years ago. Pension, medical. The works. Lochloosa Oct 2014 #3
I know of GE workers in Cincinnati Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #4
About the only workers who retain Defined Benefit Plans Yupster Oct 2014 #5
I have a pension and my wife too because I work for a railroad. I consider neverforget Oct 2014 #11
I have it, but I lost the medical. It was touch and go there for a while, with quarterly scare mail freshwest Oct 2014 #18
My Dad died 4 days before his retirement date from GE KentuckyWoman Oct 2014 #41
Your father should have had more life insurance Live and Learn Oct 2014 #43
It is a gauge of continued souring economy. maced666 Oct 2014 #6
Daughter lost half justgamma Oct 2014 #7
Who could have possibly known? BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #8
With due respect, if you have your money "invested" in Wall Street, and don't recognize that rhett o rick Oct 2014 #9
I must respectfully disagree with you here, at least KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #12
Buffett is a harsh critic of the "gambling" side of the market Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #14
Buffett has also stated that his preferred time period for holding a stock is 'forever'. I've KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #15
I should have said "speculation" in lieu of gambling. Choice of words is important. No one would rhett o rick Oct 2014 #22
Fair enough. I will say again that workers need to make sure their choices about KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #26
Your screen name is an odd choice for a democratic socialist. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #29
Ha-ha. Touche. I meant to sign up as "KidCharlemagne" in homage to the KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #31
If you typed "king" in lieu of "kid", it's a wonder you managed to get Charlemagne correct. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #36
I'm getting to be an old fart, getting absent-minded in my dotage. It's a wonder I can KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #37
When you put in only a few hundred to a few thousand dollars a year into a 401(K), JDPriestly Oct 2014 #19
Even if you put 100% of your contributions annually into a Money Market account? That's KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #24
What's your money marke account earning? spinbaby Oct 2014 #34
You'll get no argument from me. The money market account is perfect when KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #35
What is investing? Some say it's purchasing something with the hope of rhett o rick Oct 2014 #20
When one buys a share of stock in a publicly-traded company, one is becoming KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #21
When you buy a share of a company from another individual you are not "investing" in the company. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #27
what you describe is known as a ponzi scheme. n/t PowerToThePeople Oct 2014 #39
I think the Stock Market operates as a pyramid scheme with frequent "adjustments" which is code for rhett o rick Oct 2014 #40
ive never taken anything out TheFarseer Oct 2014 #10
I'm 49, and I figure to be working until I'm 75 Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #13
I'd like to take it out of the 401K before the next crash - LiberalElite Oct 2014 #16
My husband and I have had to pull some out, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have to pull more out. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #17
Spent mine years ago... Wounded Bear Oct 2014 #23
I have around $3000 left. randome Oct 2014 #25
You know what? It's OUR money. Avalux Oct 2014 #28
You can not be "forced" to pull it out by an employer. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #33
We can loan ourselves money from ours. ileus Oct 2014 #30
If you are a few years short of collecting SS hobbit709 Oct 2014 #32
Better they take their money early than allow the criminals to loot them n/t malaise Oct 2014 #38
Bingo! greatlaurel Oct 2014 #42
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