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marym625

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8. Then we talk about how it sounds or is racist

Sat Oct 25, 2014, 12:39 PM

Oct 2014

We can't have a real discussion without tears. Without heartache. Without personal experience being shared, explained, examined.

I watched a live stream yesterday of a meeting at SLU between 2 groups. The protesters of St Louis County (it's not just Ferguson anymore) and an LGBTQ group. It was harsh and real and beautiful and productive.

One person in particular made a really great little speech. In it he said we have to unlearn everything we have been taught to believe. "We grow up being taught race should determine how you're treated. That war brings peace. And those are both wrong. We need to rip these down by talking and relearn that I should not be treated differently because of the color of my skin." He went on and I am paraphrasing, he was better. But you get the gist.

I will say for one thing, we need to call out racism whenever we see it, no matter how small

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We HAVE to TALK about racism and police brutality [View all] marym625 Oct 2014 OP

The answer is quite simple. Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #1

I agree with that marym625 Oct 2014 #3

It's a good start Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #4

I'm sorry-- YarnAddict Oct 2014 #10

No please do marym625 Oct 2014 #15

I HATE auto-correct!!!! n/t YarnAddict Oct 2014 #25

LOL Me TOO marym625 Oct 2014 #31

I don't think it will matter much. Two words: Rodney King. The justice system is kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #67

I agree that we can't know marym625 Oct 2014 #76

I hear the "it's only a few cops" argument often. JTFrog Oct 2014 #5

Again, transparency. Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #9

Yeah, that's a HUGE problem marym625 Oct 2014 #17

I personally am sick of hearing that particular line used. I'll believe there are good cops KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #41

It is a really disgusting way to address a serious problem marym625 Oct 2014 #103

As always, specific examples help. To wit, who here knows how many LAPD officers KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #105

copologist math LOVE IT. n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #106

I don't know if libodem Oct 2014 #2

Then we talk about how it sounds or is racist marym625 Oct 2014 #8

Where do we start? Why, with a solid definition of terms. Here's how I define KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #44

well thought out good comment marym625 Oct 2014 #46

Few dispute the need for some sort of constabulary force, barring evolution of a fully communist KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #50

I have been watching a great deal of the live streams marym625 Oct 2014 #54

Well, we now know from the fabricated quotes and mis-quotes the St. Louis Post-Dispatch KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #56

I don't know it marym625 Oct 2014 #62

"Relationship" can mean so many things in this context. At a bare minimum, it's probably KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #64

Since we're talking philosophy and defining things... ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #79

Your questions are valid, but I don't want to derail Mary's thread unduly with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #84

Go ahead. derail. marym625 Oct 2014 #91

This morning I said to my (white) mom XemaSab Oct 2014 #60

Good point marym625 Oct 2014 #63

Perhaps white people should stop caring how they're labeled. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #82

Sorry, probably stupid question marym625 Oct 2014 #92

I am saying ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #107

I agree marym625 Oct 2014 #111

Why use the label at all? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #120

I'm not advocating for it to be used marym625 Oct 2014 #121

I think that is good advice. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #122

Unfortunately. marym625 Oct 2014 #123

I said the same thing to my mom. bravenak Oct 2014 #85

Kickin' Faux pas Oct 2014 #6

Thank you! marym625 Oct 2014 #21

When you say we need to talk, YarnAddict Oct 2014 #7

no, both sides dont have legitimate racial arguments, there is no systematic oppression La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #11

Alerted, I voted to leave. However, your implication at the end of reply is not helpful. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #14

Do you really believe that? marym625 Oct 2014 #22

Examples include Hispanics and folks from the Middle East, and Native Americans NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #33

Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #36

I would say there is very much institutinalized, legally empowered, government enforced bias Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #71

Very true marym625 Oct 2014 #75

What institutionalized racism is there against whites? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #26

Where did I say that there was? Oh, that's right, I didn't say that. nt NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #34

I think that's what was assumed marym625 Oct 2014 #37

you said far more institutionalized which implies that there is some systematic oppression of whites La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #39

Not what I meant but there probably is bias against elderly and disabled white folks. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #45

to say that it is institutionalized is one thing hfojvt Oct 2014 #87

Where do you get if you walk away? marym625 Oct 2014 #94

you are the one saying we MUST havea discussion hfojvt Oct 2014 #117

I didn't attack marym625 Oct 2014 #118

wrong part of thread marym625 Oct 2014 #119

What do you think can be done about systematic oppression? YarnAddict Oct 2014 #16

I actually had a discussion about this with one of the Leaders in St Louis today marym625 Oct 2014 #27

passing laws is not the same as efforts to eliminate. most of the CRA of 1964 in term of employment La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #40

I find the housing issue very interesting and somewhat intractable. branford Oct 2014 #48

Mostly only white people see that as an issue, since black folks really don't need them. jtuck004 Oct 2014 #58

A "goal" has an "attaboy" attached if you achieve it YarnAddict Oct 2014 #49

a lot of them have been solved? marym625 Oct 2014 #96

Well said! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #95

Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #18

+1 gollygee Oct 2014 #20

Nice reply. Just as predicted in the OP YarnAddict Oct 2014 #35

the reason this leads to the end of discussion, is because some whites will La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #38

Well, what is my role? YarnAddict Oct 2014 #59

Yes there is something you can do about it marym625 Oct 2014 #98

Why do you think there is a PERCEPTION among white people XemaSab Oct 2014 #70

I am sorry marym625 Oct 2014 #100

Please take a look at what you're saying marym625 Oct 2014 #43

jury results grasswire Oct 2014 #42

Thanks for posting that marym625 Oct 2014 #47

Thank you YarnAddict Oct 2014 #52

Hmm . . . Juror #6 gollygee Oct 2014 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #74

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Is this racist? Why or why not? XemaSab Oct 2014 #80

Holy shit! marym625 Oct 2014 #99

it's offensive and bigoted, but not an example of systemic oppression JI7 Oct 2014 #110

So it's not racist? XemaSab Oct 2014 #116

if by racist you mean offensive, hateful JI7 Oct 2014 #124

So "racism" to you only means systematic oppression? XemaSab Oct 2014 #126

I mean actually discuss marym625 Oct 2014 #13

As I stated in my YarnAddict Oct 2014 #24

Yes, obviously involvement in a child's education is extremely important marym625 Oct 2014 #30

Check out colorofchange.org wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #12

Which letter is this? marym625 Oct 2014 #19

The link is to a petition ... the petition is in the form of a letter. wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #23

Yes, I'm sorry marym625 Oct 2014 #28

Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #29

Thank you NYC_SKP n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #32

Ok, I'm going to just say something marym625 Oct 2014 #51

Thank you for posting this.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #53

Thank you! marym625 Oct 2014 #55

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #57

Just out of curiosity, how does 'reverse discrimination in the form of affirmative action' KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #61

Assuming this person is genuine, he's got a lot to learn. See my reply to him. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #66

The language seemed stilted and gawky enough ("revolving problem") that I was willing to give him KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #68

Affirmative Action does have its issues, that is true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #65

I am not an expert in this area. I do wonder, though, whether the primary beneficiaries of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #69

Ok Ill be brief GummyBearz Oct 2014 #72

I am with you there GummyBearz marym625 Oct 2014 #77

Two separate questions posed. 1. Police brutality/institutionalized aggression. 2. Racism. 20score Oct 2014 #73

I understand you separating the issues marym625 Oct 2014 #81

Please see post #89 n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #90

Police brutality and for profit prisons are a serious problem regardless of race. Initech Oct 2014 #83

Please, don't hold back :) marym625 Oct 2014 #88

It's not just race. It's fear of all "others." And the religion of guns. DirkGently Oct 2014 #86

Well said marym625 Oct 2014 #89

Some statistics to buttress your eloquently argued points: 1% of the KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #93

K&R especially for that first video. Even black kids know the "I don't see color" and "my best Number23 Oct 2014 #97

That some of best friends bs marym625 Oct 2014 #101

Good post! k+r ..nt TeeYiYi Oct 2014 #102

Thanks TYY! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #104

kick Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #108

Thanks! marym625 Oct 2014 #112

Thank you for this post, Mary. Live and Learn Oct 2014 #109

so true marym625 Oct 2014 #114

Unmasking Race and Privilege Seminarian Oct 2014 #113

completely agree. marym625 Oct 2014 #115

Police brutality and racism rolled into one - maced666 Oct 2014 #125

I actually have to run so I will check you link later marym625 Oct 2014 #127

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #128

seems to me that you have the problem. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2014 #129

It seems all of your posts are in support of the Ferguson police Live and Learn Oct 2014 #130

There's so much wrong with what you just said marym625 Oct 2014 #132