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In reply to the discussion: I could see that the white man did not care about each other the way our people did. [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)19. Always felt this to be the case. 'Whites' as generally identified, come from a continent that was at
war for thousands of years. Being competitive and organizing most of their society to do battle and innovate new means to win wars became a key to success in that milieu and later in others using those same means.
I've read native american writings online that show some pity Europeans. They said they suffer from a devastating disconnect of awareness and empathy, a form of tunnel vision that will destroy them if they cannot break free of their chains.
They felt what some of us call the 'desert religions' had robbed 'Whites' of the wisdom of their inner selves, creating fear and limiting their vision. And that the struggles to have 'freedom' or 'liberty' are still holding those things at arm's length, because they are oppressed and full of fear from that loss. Even more so than those they abused, which I saw as a remarkable idea.
They described the illness as a death of the soul covered with infinite attempts to recreate what they cannot accept, that they were conquered in their own lands and don't know any better.
Now, that is one specific way of looking at the problem of 'civilization' as presented by the past models embraced, that has no condemnation of any race. That was from a website of mostly native women and they thought that 'Whites' needed to be freed from that, not left to walk a destructive path that could take down the whole planet.
It fits my view of the race and cultural problems that 'Whites' bring to the world. I am a believer in diversity and think all groups have a place in time and space where they learn more about themselves. Then that is passed on to the rest of world, whether in good ways or bad ways. I think each group is part of a whole that contributes to the future of the human race and each has its time on the world stage either singly or as a coalition of many cultures.
I believe that each group serves a purpose to unite the world. The innovative genius for good or ill of the Europeans did cover the globe, and had made connections that may have never been made otherwise. If there is going to be an epitaph for a culture, race or people, the legacy left behind on the world stage will be both good and evil.
Or something like that, still working this out.
I've read native american writings online that show some pity Europeans. They said they suffer from a devastating disconnect of awareness and empathy, a form of tunnel vision that will destroy them if they cannot break free of their chains.
They felt what some of us call the 'desert religions' had robbed 'Whites' of the wisdom of their inner selves, creating fear and limiting their vision. And that the struggles to have 'freedom' or 'liberty' are still holding those things at arm's length, because they are oppressed and full of fear from that loss. Even more so than those they abused, which I saw as a remarkable idea.
They described the illness as a death of the soul covered with infinite attempts to recreate what they cannot accept, that they were conquered in their own lands and don't know any better.
Now, that is one specific way of looking at the problem of 'civilization' as presented by the past models embraced, that has no condemnation of any race. That was from a website of mostly native women and they thought that 'Whites' needed to be freed from that, not left to walk a destructive path that could take down the whole planet.
It fits my view of the race and cultural problems that 'Whites' bring to the world. I am a believer in diversity and think all groups have a place in time and space where they learn more about themselves. Then that is passed on to the rest of world, whether in good ways or bad ways. I think each group is part of a whole that contributes to the future of the human race and each has its time on the world stage either singly or as a coalition of many cultures.
I believe that each group serves a purpose to unite the world. The innovative genius for good or ill of the Europeans did cover the globe, and had made connections that may have never been made otherwise. If there is going to be an epitaph for a culture, race or people, the legacy left behind on the world stage will be both good and evil.
Or something like that, still working this out.
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I could see that the white man did not care about each other the way our people did. [View all]
tecelote
Oct 2014
OP
Yeah they went to war for resourses just like Every other race , they killed other tribes for food
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#18
He's saying that Whiteman didn't care for it's people like our people did for our own
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#32
They didn't accumulate wealth while they let their people starve, is what I got out of it.
bravenak
Oct 2014
#35
What do you think happened when you took horses and hunting grounds in war ?
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#42
It doesn't work out like that when large group of mostly just elderly , childern and women
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#52
And then the europeans came and killed off the millions of people who had survived.
bravenak
Oct 2014
#54
No , what I started was the Whiteman comment in the OP and how native americans were so different
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#68
You know , the only one so far that has tried to use a strawman argument in this entire thread
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#79
If you reread my posts I'm the one who wrote the cultures were different in how wealth
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#88
That's how it's was achieved , greed for the best hunting grounds , greed for the fastest ponies
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#94
Native American tribes did war against one another for resources but they did so for
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2014
#86
That was the wealth in how they perceived it . Claiming the land where migration of game animals
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#98
Not when it was raids against other tribes for horses , Many had more horses than they needed but
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#147
How do you feel about ruining a thread we were all enjoying? We were having a pleasant discussion.
Enthusiast
Oct 2014
#119
I think the point is that, WITHIN THEIR TRIBE, they cared for their own people
thesquanderer
Oct 2014
#129
If you are going to cut and paste information without attributing it, and pretend you wrote it ...
kwassa
Oct 2014
#99
What he was seeing even back then was that his tribe took care of their own in a community linked
jwirr
Oct 2014
#60
And in the past, most such chiefs would have quickly found themselves without people
Scootaloo
Oct 2014
#43
And where do you get your data? Our tribe has several casinos and they not only pay a dividend
jwirr
Oct 2014
#65
The change in our tribe is unbelievable. The homes are repaired, the schools are good, anyone who
jwirr
Oct 2014
#127
Where do you hear this? Because I've just spent some time looking for evidence of
Maraya1969
Oct 2014
#87
500 posts since joining 10/7 - if nothing else you are very prolific scary stuff yo
lunasun
Oct 2014
#151
I am now reading: Bury my heart at Wounded knee by Dee Brown. Breaks my heart
Paper Roses
Oct 2014
#12
Always felt this to be the case. 'Whites' as generally identified, come from a continent that was at
freshwest
Oct 2014
#19
Native people were much less reliant on and desirous of mfg. goods, materials
appalachiablue
Oct 2014
#81
Black Elk would be one of my ancestors...If he could see me now, I hope I would make him proud.
Tikki
Oct 2014
#34
The USA Gov.will never allow a Ghost Dance for peace, prosperity, and unity across the regions
Sunlei
Oct 2014
#137
Chief Seattle's reply to a Government offer to purchase the remaining Salish lands:
AgingAmerican
Oct 2014
#143