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NanceGreggs

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249. Thanks for the well thought out response.

Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:01 PM

Oct 2014

But the fact remains - for me, anyway - that one cannot dismiss Greenwald's hyperbolic rants and omission of relevant facts as "journalistic style".

Had GG said - as you just did - that "a certain faction of Canadians" hold a particular view, that's one thing. But to state that Canada is "wallowing in war glory" or has "proclaimed itself to be a nation at war" is neither factual nor even remotely reflective of the country as a whole.

I have a problem with ignoring such things - which, for me, renders an entire article suspect, in terms of its truthfulness and its conveyance of actual facts.

On a personal note ...

Are you in a small town or a city in Alberta? I have several Toronto friends who are native Albertans, and although most have come to love TO, they never miss an opportunity to remind their Ontarian acquaintances of the natural beauty that is bountiful in their home province. I'm a native of NYC, and it took me a long time to adjust to Toronto - HATED it when I first arrived.

But now I cannot imagine living anywhere else on earth as happily and contentedly as I live here.

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Greenwald on the recent terror attack: Canada had it coming. They were wallowing in war glory [View all] Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 OP

More crap from ISIL's press secretary. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Vietnameravet Oct 2014 #3

I wonder how much the job pays. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #10

Well, they're making about a million bucks a day on blackmarket oil, so it's probably pretty good. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #15

Gross. Marr Oct 2014 #16

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot where I was for a moment. Silly me. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #19

Two in a row. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #24

Sorry. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #104

OK, that's funny. riqster Oct 2014 #128

All the credit goes to Whisp. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #131

The PTB do this every time some person Fawke Em Oct 2014 #269

Couldn't agree more. Remember the term "Obamabots"? "BOGgers"? "Turdway"? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #276

Speaking as a Canadian there is only one thing Legalequilibrium78 Oct 2014 #179

Also speaking as a Canadian laundry_queen Oct 2014 #188

I'm not trying to be snarky or difficult liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #204

It's how our parliamentary system works laundry_queen Oct 2014 #212

Thanks for the primer flamingdem Oct 2014 #224

Not a Canadian here ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #205

I think he's off the mark and I said so laundry_queen Oct 2014 #213

But that's the point ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #237

And that's not different from any other American journalist, really. laundry_queen Oct 2014 #240

I don't think ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #243

Again laundry_queen Oct 2014 #244

Thanks for the well thought out response. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #249

I love Toronto laundry_queen Oct 2014 #254

Most of the Albertans I knew ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #267

I know the feeling laundry_queen Oct 2014 #271

Agreed, LQ Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #241

LOL. okieinpain Oct 2014 #159

Hey, I'm the press secretary flamingdem Oct 2014 #223

Speaking of crap, that's some real crazed-ape shit-slinging you've got going on. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #231

Why, thank you "Comrade"! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #274

Well, that will go over wonderful with the warhawks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #2

And he made no such claim as asserted in the title of the OP. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #5

Well of course not LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #8

are we talking about Canada or Obama here? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #28

Doesn't matter much to Greenwald or his supporters. Any possibility of taking a swipe at either... stevenleser Oct 2014 #32

very true....he just has a burr under his saddle because he owes US money!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #33

Exactly Andy823 Oct 2014 #130

That description fits the US absolutely . . . but Canada? brush Oct 2014 #49

Canado joins the fight against ISIS (as they have joined every ME war since the Persian Gulf). Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #74

Canada wallowing in war glory? brush Oct 2014 #85

Ahem. Canada stayed out of Bush's invasion of Iraq gcomeau Oct 2014 #134

As I noted above, facts don't really matter to Greenwald or his supporters. They seek to inflame stevenleser Oct 2014 #135

As noted below (post #136), Journalist Leser, Canadian military personnel were indeed involved with Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #137

LOL, Flying a C17 is now "Wallowing in war glory" to you and Greenwald, eh? stevenleser Oct 2014 #138

I see you have forgotten Afghanistan and Libya, Journalist Leser. And thanks for Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #144

gcomeau: "Get a little perspective. Under those grounds the Red Cross joined the war too." stevenleser Oct 2014 #145

The Red Cross leads 35,000 troops in offensive combat missions? Have you reported on this Journalist Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #151

Are you responding to me or the person who said it? nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #152

Oh I am sure you can figure out the answer to that question yourself. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #153

Lets sum up your latest failed attempt to justify Greenwalds statement and your support thereof stevenleser Oct 2014 #155

And again. You omit Canada's role in Afghanistan and Libya. gcomeau made the claim that Canada Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #162

We're only going on the evidence you have provided to justify your position. You have failed. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #163

"Canada joins the fight against ISIS (as they have joined every ME war since the Persian Gulf)." Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #166

facts will get you nowhere with the irrational. Vattel Oct 2014 #172

Oddly enough, he kicked the thread thinking he had won,. Confuzled. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #193

And the propagandist. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #197

I've got to say, my opinion of that poster has dropped a lot in this thread. Marr Oct 2014 #187

+1 Thank you. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #195

Why do you stupidly insist that we Canadians Legalequilibrium78 Oct 2014 #202

I intelligently provided evidence that Canadians were involved in both Iraq Wars. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #206

Intelligently provided? Legalequilibrium78 Oct 2014 #238

Canadian pilots flew missions in Iraq Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #136

ROFLMAO, musta been those rambo transport pilots flying those C-17s wallowing... stevenleser Oct 2014 #139

Really, some supply flights and participating in some rebuilding operations? gcomeau Oct 2014 #142

No exaggeration is too great for Greenwald and his devoted followers when attacking the US and stevenleser Oct 2014 #146

Really. Your Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 personnel in offensive operations. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #149

And by that you mean... gcomeau Oct 2014 #169

My claim is that Canada was involved in the Gulf war. And see post 162. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #170

And to repeat... gcomeau Oct 2014 #171

Nope. My support for that clam is your military SECRETLY WITHOUT THE ADVICE OF PARLIAMENT Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #194

And... AGAIN.. gcomeau Oct 2014 #207

Indeed. Let's ignore those ships in the gulf. Face it. You've blood on your hands & you are lackies Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #211

That poster is not going to change their mind laundry_queen Oct 2014 #239

After you read LA's latest attempt to justify his and Greenwald's statements, see my #155 above. stevenleser Oct 2014 #156

At the top of my post: IN BOLD "Our new Defence Chief commanded U.S. troops in Iraq" Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #167

The FIRST word of the subject in the OP was "Greenwald". We're talking about GREENWALD. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #54

no You should keep up ..we are talking about what that VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #115

We're talking about cheating on taxes? Shit. I missed that. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #116

Yep he owes US....you and I money...he is a liar VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #117

Let me add some more relevance to the discussion... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #120

bullshit as expected....when you have no defense! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #123

Yes, he did. He linked Canada to countries that are "wallowing in war glory." pnwmom Oct 2014 #43

"Canada had it coming." Care to point out that part for me? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #55

You're splitting hairs. He blamed the attack on Canada's wallowing in war glory. pnwmom Oct 2014 #57

If I'M splitting hairs, you're holding the other side of the razor blade. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #58

facts don't matter that much in the BOG Doctor_J Oct 2014 #247

did he say the same about the terrorist attack at the Russian Train Station ? JI7 Oct 2014 #4

Why would he? He didn't say it about Canada, either. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #6

what did he say when Russia was attacked at the train station ? JI7 Oct 2014 #9

Nothing. He wouldn't say anything about China either, or about most other countries. stevenleser Oct 2014 #26

same agenda some on DU have.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #30

Unlike the agenda either one of you have? truebrit71 Oct 2014 #252

you mean voting for the winner of the Democratic Primary whoever that is agenda? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #256

Sure.... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #258

You should read the whole article yourself and not stop with the first paragraph. pnwmom Oct 2014 #44

Yes, he did. Why are you telling people to click on the link when you didn't yourself? pnwmom Oct 2014 #46

No. He does not say they had it coming. Never once ever. The entire article is focused on why Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #50

Take that, Canada! eissa Oct 2014 #7

Actually, he did not say that Canada had it coming. (nt) enough Oct 2014 #11

Yes, pretty much, he did. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #27

Except he didn't. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #36

What do you think he's doing in these two paragraphs? He's saying Canada brought it on itself. pnwmom Oct 2014 #47

he says it's not surprising. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #51

In this context, this is called pnwmom Oct 2014 #52

The context being... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #59

BOOM! You nailed it! n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #75

Indeed. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #82

The nitwits are libertarians like Greenwald, and his acolytes. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #86

Not in this thread, they aren't Scootaloo Oct 2014 #88

Not Sure That's Accurate ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #108

I want to thank you. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #270

Try to keep up. This thread isn't about Obama. It's about "Canada wallowing in war glory". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #277

His thesis is why should Canada be surprised. Can you answer that? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #80

If Greenwald is as bloody terrible as everyone says he is... tkmorris Oct 2014 #161

Do you honestly think that when you engage in war that people are not going to fight back? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #64

You are then unable to read the implicit and are limited to the literal? LanternWaste Oct 2014 #122

Go ahead and point that part out. You're a "journalist" so I expect you can back your claim. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #38

Good luck on getting getting that. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #42

Here: pnwmom Oct 2014 #48

Thanks, but Greenwald's isn't claiming Canada "had it coming". DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #53

He said it was the result of Canada's actions. Which is closer to pnwmom Oct 2014 #56

The issue here is not justification DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #63

Yep, he said it was cause and effect. I.e their acts brought on the attack. stevenleser Oct 2014 #66

Do I have to paste this again? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #68

You can wish your spin to be accurate as many times as you want stevenleser Oct 2014 #70

You ducked the question. I win the Internet. Bye. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #72

You have no question, only spin. Nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #73

Nope. He questioned why should Canada be surprised. Can you answer that question? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #78

If I leave a dollar peeking out of my pocket and someone steals it, that is a result. It does Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #89

It's nothing of the sort. Marr Oct 2014 #173

I get that you are desperate to defend Greenwald, but it is exactly as the OP says. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #175

Deceit does not become you. Marr Oct 2014 #176

That's why I never engage in it. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #177

No, you just put words into people's mouths.... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #253

Pnwmom beat me to it. Nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #65

a journalist!? wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #79

Something tells me you being fooled is not an uncommon occurrence nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #90

and something tells me... wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #92

Something tells me you have no idea what Dunning-Kruger actually means. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #118

you don't! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #178

And I got your point 100% And I agree 100% Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #200

Watch and learn..... msanthrope Oct 2014 #126

Klaatu Barada Nikto tkmorris Oct 2014 #158

Thats the difference between engaging with a computer/robot and comparing a human's assertions stevenleser Oct 2014 #160

Wrong Klaatu tkmorris Oct 2014 #164

You're the one who brought up talking to the robot and the reference doesnt work. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #165

My reference had nothing to do with a robot Steven tkmorris Oct 2014 #180

What a hoser, eh?? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #12

Is there anything specific you disagree with? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #13

Another falsehood about Greenwald courtesy of Cali Democrat. Vattel Oct 2014 #14

the smears against Greenwald are getting uglier and uglier. grasswire Oct 2014 #17

LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #20

I Always Forget He's Gay otohara Oct 2014 #34

He wrote 3 books skewering the Bush admin. Three. His blog that he started in 2005 was Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #39

Not Until He Changed His Mind otohara Oct 2014 #60

As he has explained. Oh so many times. He was politically disengaged and relied on the Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #69

"He was politically disengaged . . ." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #96

You think that is funny? Because my life work has been to engage the politically disengaged. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #97

Politically disengaged when he was running for public office? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #121

"I'll say!" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #279

Greenwald.. "I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country.." Cha Oct 2014 #83

Get a grip.. pushing back against Greenwald has nothing to do with his being Gay.. as you well know. Cha Oct 2014 #37

Having a smilie in your sig doesn't make you an ally Scootaloo Oct 2014 #61

I really and truly LOLed. Thank you, Scootaloo! Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #81

A call-out and an accusation all in one post davidpdx Oct 2014 #192

What on earth are you talking about? Scootaloo Oct 2014 #208

Whatever davidpdx Oct 2014 #214

Reel in the line and put the chum back in the cooler. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #215

Nah, you already caught enough by opening your mouth davidpdx Oct 2014 #216

Yes. Bart Gellman gets none of this crap. People go to Glenn's twitter feed to criticize him for Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #40

Yeah, why is that? He also works for a billionaire. deurbano Oct 2014 #248

So does Bart Gellman Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #257

Sorry I was unclear. That was my point. Gellman works for a billionaire, too. deurbano Oct 2014 #261

Oops! Reread and you were perfectly clear! Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #262

That is a disgusting comment. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #132

On the flipside: "Perhaps there's some racism driving GG's hatred for Obama, I can't see.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #278

Very dishonest post. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #18

Oh, so the ISIS supporters were 'paying Canada back' for Afghanistan. It's all so clear. randome Oct 2014 #21

#1. Where did you get the news that any of the killers were ISIS supporters. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #25

Well, ISIS is congratulating them so there's that. randome Oct 2014 #87

Talk about making no sense. First you claim that the connection to ISIS was inconceivable Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #91

Despicable. nt Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #22

Canada wallowing in war glory? Really? Rex Oct 2014 #23

Anything he thinks he can twist into an attack on the US, Canada and the UK is what he's about stevenleser Oct 2014 #29

How is this "Islamic act of terror" specifically defined as so by the Canadian govt. a correlation? Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #45

that must be the Narcissist brand vodka too! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #31

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #35

RIP Nathan Cirillo and Fuck Off Greenwald.. you "stunned" blithering idiot. Cha Oct 2014 #41

+1 RandySF Oct 2014 #251

His article wasn't about Nathan. His article was written and posted before Nathan was killed. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #259

You should probably learn to read more carefully before engaging in analysis DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #62

It's SOP for the Greenwald haters. Cherry pick quotes, add negative spin - et voil� scarletwoman Oct 2014 #67

I won't hold my breath DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #71

How are full paragraphs a "cherry pick" of quotes? Seems pretty msanthrope Oct 2014 #129

It happens constantly.... KoKo Oct 2014 #236

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #76

At least we now know Putin's opinion on the matter. Barack_America Oct 2014 #77

The only thing your obsessive ongoing smear campaign against Glenn Greenwald convinces me of, scarletwoman Oct 2014 #84

... Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #93

lol.. It's Greenwald "smearing" himself. Such a fucking idiot always Smearing himself.. but, oh Cha Oct 2014 #94

"You are not my ally." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #95

in this thread, you single *that* out as petty? nt grasswire Oct 2014 #99

You are correct....also petty is the claim of "homophobia" msanthrope Oct 2014 #127

The sad thing is that claim has already been made in this thread by someone davidpdx Oct 2014 #191

Some people are only interested in gay "rights" when they can use it as a weapon. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #198

A very good point davidpdx Oct 2014 #199

I find it interesting how many supporters where calling gay rights a "pony" and called advocates TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #275

Dishonest smears are what's petty. /nt Marr Oct 2014 #111

Amen. Union Scribe Oct 2014 #181

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #185

The OP only quotes Glenn treestar Oct 2014 #229

Oh how the mighty have fallen. ucrdem Oct 2014 #98

Fuck Ron Paul! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #100

Panetta basically blew the clown car off the road ucrdem Oct 2014 #103

The GOP Klown Kar ran out of gas in 2012, after blowing all their tires out! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #105

Noam Chomsky. MIT professor and thorn in the body politic. PDJane Oct 2014 #107

That's Klown King "Obama Is �Dedicated To Increasing Terrorism�" ucrdem Oct 2014 #109

Of course, while the 'terror attack' by a drug-addicted, very confused young man was going down, PDJane Oct 2014 #101

Yes, very. ucrdem Oct 2014 #219

Clickbait journalism. joshcryer Oct 2014 #102

Yep, as a friend of mine said, the journalistic equivalent of trolling. That's who Greenwald is. stevenleser Oct 2014 #124

As someone who has lived in Canada ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #106

Funny, I have been listening to Harper talk about our illustrious dead for some time now. PDJane Oct 2014 #110

I agree with you about Harper. NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #112

It's an exaggeration, yes. PDJane Oct 2014 #113

Yeah, an "exaggeration". NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #114

This sounds like Putin's lackey raising his dumbass head over Canada's space. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #119

What a disgusting insult to Nathan Cirillo. I hope the Highlanders msanthrope Oct 2014 #125

He is correct: Our government IS wallowing in war glory Bragi Oct 2014 #133

Oh yes, those rambo transport pilots yield much war glory to wallow in! stevenleser Oct 2014 #140

Keep pretending their involvement is restricted to only one war. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #141

Keep pretending I am not responding to the evidence you yourself are providing. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #147

Canadian Gen. Natynczyk led 35,000 troops in offensive operations in Iraq. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #150

See my #155 above. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #157

It's not the warriors who wallow MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #203

I wish I could rec this post malokvale77 Oct 2014 #272

+1 laundry_queen Oct 2014 #196

Why are they splitting their votes then? treestar Oct 2014 #217

Why do we split our votes? Bragi Oct 2014 #222

I don't necessarily think it's a lesson for Democrats laundry_queen Oct 2014 #242

Time to change your Depends, Glenn. MineralMan Oct 2014 #143

You can read the same thing a dozen times a day, right here. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #148

Why am I not the least bit surprised by this.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #154

Kick nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #168

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #174

Par for the course though. nt Union Scribe Oct 2014 #182

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #189

It is what a person does AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #210

This clown was a homeless crackhead drifter according to the Calgary news Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2014 #183

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #184

BOOOM!! Fumesucker Oct 2014 #186

Why the hell was Union Scribes post hidden? S/He simply re-posted Cali Democrats own words! riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #220

Many people here approach jury duty like ninth graders voting for homecoming king. QC Oct 2014 #221

The fact that Union Scribe's post was hidden only makes this crew look twice as bad. Marr Oct 2014 #225

Par for the course. QC Oct 2014 #227

Then there's this... Fumesucker Oct 2014 #228

I saw that... Nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Oct 2014 #263

Hmm. Iggo Oct 2014 #264

Hmmm malokvale77 Oct 2014 #273

I was on the jury, still don't understand why it was hidden. tritsofme Oct 2014 #235

Wow. I hadn't seen that. Don't understand why it was hidden. deurbano Oct 2014 #250

How dare someone point out that the OP said the same thing... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #260

Rank hypocrisy, thy name is... Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Oct 2014 #245

What Union Scribe posted was objectively and empirically true - It is flat out impossible for ANYONE Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #266

OH MY GOD. Marr Oct 2014 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #201

you winh the thread nt grasswire Oct 2014 #209

Just Greenwald self-identifying as an asshole again. baldguy Oct 2014 #218

Is Cali_Democrat an asshole, too? Marr Oct 2014 #226

What he is addressing is 'blowback' and arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #232

These continuing anti-Greenwald tantrums are an embarrassment to DU. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #234

There are a vocal few that cannot help themselves... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #255

As a left-wing Canadian with family roots going back to the CCF, I have to say GliderGuider Oct 2014 #246

Rather astonishing Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #265

Congrats on learning how to spread propaganda. Fawke Em Oct 2014 #268

Politico: "Has Greenwald, Inc. Peaked? Thanks to Ed Snowden, Glenn Greenwald went from blogging.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #280