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96. To evaluate Edward Snowden,

Sat Oct 25, 2014, 08:52 PM

Oct 2014

You must imagine Ted Cruz is President, or George Bush or Richard Nixon. How comfortable would you be with the NSA programs? To me Snowden is a hero.

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The Edward Snowden Documentary Accidentally Exposes His Lies [View all] JaneyVee Oct 2014 OP

Rec to the review, nyet to seeing him in a bathrobe or in bed or to his Deep Thoughts. n/t UTUSN Oct 2014 #1

To evaluate Edward Snowden, QuestionAlways Oct 2014 #96

And I respect your opinion without name-calling. n/t UTUSN Oct 2014 #100

That wasn't name calling Aerows Oct 2014 #102

Sheesh, I didn't say this poster was name-calling. I was making the point from the different UTUSN Oct 2014 #104

You brought up the charge of namecalling Aerows Oct 2014 #105

& now, in farewell, I will bring up "flame baiting" which is what you are doing. UTUSN Oct 2014 #108

Oh my Aerows Oct 2014 #110

& a 2nd characteristic of flame-baiting is to continue and continue and continue UTUSN Oct 2014 #112

Have a lovely evening Aerows Oct 2014 #115

ISIS or ISIL behavior and their recruitment of homegrown terrorist wannabes rests the NSA case. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #2

Oh ok MFrohike Oct 2014 #27

I haven't read the article yet but the very first paragraph of your snip is a lie riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #3

It doesn't say the drone program wasn't a CIA program. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #17

The drone program couldn't be reasonably debated until it was exposed...by whistleblowers riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #26

Yes, a whistleblower named Obama, in May 2012, speaking on the record to the NYT ucrdem Oct 2014 #150

Right wing BS. BillZBubb Oct 2014 #4

NewRepublic is a liberal publication. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #6

Surely you jest. (nt) enough Oct 2014 #9

That's rich. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #36

+1 deutsey Oct 2014 #61

"Rich" "Study: Putting Women in Charge Makes Companies More Successful/We Already Know the Winner of Cha Oct 2014 #133

"Study: Putting Women in Charge Makes Companies More Successful/We Already Know the Winner of Next Cha Oct 2014 #132

It poses as a 'liberal' publication. But it is a Center Right anti-Left, sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #146

The responses to your post display just how far out of touch Greenwald's fan base is. baldguy Oct 2014 #149

So liberal they hired Andrew Sullivan to be their editor! QC Oct 2014 #171

It's a movie review. Did Greenwald urge him to greater urgency? randome Oct 2014 #8

You mean the ninnies trying to white wash what he did.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #28

Only an apologist for the Stasi or the national security state would make that claim. BillZBubb Oct 2014 #50

yeah right.....musta struck a nerve! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #51

No, it's Reality but Greenwald/Snowden can't stand handle that. Cha Oct 2014 #130

Even in Snowden's movie, Greenwald can't stop himself from being at center stage. randome Oct 2014 #5

It isn't "Snowden's movie" elias49 Oct 2014 #62

It should have been Snowden's movie if he had anything new to say. randome Oct 2014 #78

It's Laura Poitras' movie about Snowden. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #79

Duh. nt elias49 Oct 2014 #80

Which, for some reason should not have included Greenwald? Question.. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #107

Um, you said Greedwald. ucrdem Oct 2014 #151

Thanks. Tipsy. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #175

I know what I would do. randome Oct 2014 #156

So, you would encourage him to have his life destroyed ala Binney and Drake. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #181

Shrug. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #7

If this is the case... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #29

People, possibly even you, have called it that from the start. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #32

That's a stupid argument MFrohike Oct 2014 #40

OH now he is a politician? Then he should have run for office instead of committing crimes to prove VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #47

+++Excellent+++ LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #52

Way to double down on stupid MFrohike Oct 2014 #53

you are comparing him to MLK now? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #55

Way to triple down MFrohike Oct 2014 #69

We may want it but don't feel entitled to go outside the law to get it treestar Oct 2014 #63

Well, that's the whole argument here, isn't it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #95

Under our government, the law deserves a basic respect. treestar Oct 2014 #119

I think war crimes, torture, murder, kidnapping are pretty extreme. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #138

Reads As A Character Assassination Hit Piece - Author Has An Axe To Grind cantbeserious Oct 2014 #10

Funny that Greenwald's fan can't recognize that he does too. baldguy Oct 2014 #24

His Axe To Grind - Tear Down The Establishment - Says So Plainly At TED cantbeserious Oct 2014 #31

It's a reality based review and snowden's fans call it an "axe to grind".. LOL Cha Oct 2014 #131

Jews were put in concentration camps legally. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #11

Monitoring foreign communications equals 'Death to all Jews!' Got it. randome Oct 2014 #12

I said that? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #15

Pretty much. If those 2 statements are not equivalent, why did you compare them, Mr. Godwin? randome Oct 2014 #18

The point, my friend, is that MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #21

Okay, it's a good point. randome Oct 2014 #22

You Make It Sound Like Ordinary Americans Are Not In The Cross-Hairs Of The NSA... WillyT Oct 2014 #85

And where is the evidence supporting that? randome Oct 2014 #87

Go Here: WillyT Oct 2014 #89

None of those articles supports the idea that the NSA is targeting American citizens. randome Oct 2014 #91

You Have Reading Comprehension Issues... WillyT Oct 2014 #93

"...program used to investigate Americans..." does not address how the NSA came upon this evidence. randome Oct 2014 #94

And... WillyT Oct 2014 #99

Yeah, those Bush days were something, weren't they? randome Oct 2014 #134

Specious comments Aerows Oct 2014 #117

There's something about Eddie that brings out the exaggeration gene treestar Oct 2014 #66

It isn't only the GOP that lacks leaders. So does the Democratic party. randome Oct 2014 #76

irony Fred Drum Oct 2014 #77

Yes, I know people like to argue they did not use the exact words treestar Oct 2014 #120

yes, i know people like to exaggerate Fred Drum Oct 2014 #126

You must have misunderstood her point. Legal does not mean correct. IM if you need more info. nt Logical Oct 2014 #140

Within the interviews and articles written by Greenwald are several Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #13

And it took all this time for Snowden to reveal the earth-shattering reason for his leaks. randome Oct 2014 #16

Well, its one story yesterday and today it is about the drones, guess it will be another reason Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #20

As soon as they start on the "fair trial".. sendero Oct 2014 #14

As charged under the Espionage Act, Snowden has zero chance at a fair trial. riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #19

and that is what all criminals think... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #30

What a lot of noncriminals think as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #33

leave Snowden ALONE!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #37

Snowden will receive due process only if it is "feasible." OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #23

Right. Snowden has to hide because the government will kill him. randome Oct 2014 #25

I don't think it's 'will', I think it's 'might'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #34

Happy enough to let them rot where they trapped themselves, too. randome Oct 2014 #35

His girlfriend is with him now so his rotting is likely to be significantly more pleasant. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #42

That's possible. I admit to being surprised she went to Russia. randome Oct 2014 #45

She does not live there. She visits. nt MADem Oct 2014 #186

Funny the warm and fuzzies some have just because they like the guy sitting at the helm. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #111

pathetic is the right answer (NT) Fred Drum Oct 2014 #127

No Aerows Oct 2014 #118

Smear, smear, smear. woo me with science Oct 2014 #38

There's no substance here. Just throwing poop at Ed Snowden, hoping some sticks. GoneFishin Oct 2014 #39

The usual...crap thrown at Snowden/Greenwald...but on a Dem Site KoKo Oct 2014 #128

It's gotten great reviews all over the place. Nearly all paint Snowden in quite glowing Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #41

Here's a link to the updated national release of Citizenfour riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #43

It's here in San Francisco. I plan on seeing in tomorrow or Monday. I'm very excited to see it, too! Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #46

TNR gives team Snowball too much credit. ucrdem Oct 2014 #44

That perfectly legal warrant and the misunderstanding of PRISM. randome Oct 2014 #48

Right, the smoking PowerPoints. ucrdem Oct 2014 #49

I smell scam too. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #57

Long list. Basically all the old the stink bombs and a few fresh booby traps ucrdem Oct 2014 #139

Assaultive competitiveness is the wrong way to run a country. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #145

ODS is a force that gives us meaning ucrdem Oct 2014 #153

+1 treestar Oct 2014 #67

Yep. . . ucrdem Oct 2014 #141

How the fuck do people like you sleep at night? 20score Oct 2014 #54

couldn't have said it better myself marym625 Oct 2014 #56

There are a few on this thread - and they're on threads like this - 20score Oct 2014 #59

yep! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #60

Good grief treestar Oct 2014 #65

You have it completely backwards. Read what I said in post #54. 20score Oct 2014 #68

I'm a thinking person. Who are you to say I'm not? randome Oct 2014 #74

Because i don't deny empirical evidence - and yes, your side does. 20score Oct 2014 #81

That database contains a shitload of programs that the NSA has used and probably still uses. randome Oct 2014 #84

This is the last time I address you until you use the scientific method. At least once! 20score Oct 2014 #86

Good luck on your new thread on this topic, then. randome Oct 2014 #88

Why do you get to decide the terms of the debate? treestar Oct 2014 #124

You indeed do treestar Oct 2014 #123

Oh baloney. treestar Oct 2014 #122

"Truly close to the bottom of humanity" CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #211

note TNR's support for the Contras, Israel, and the Iraq adventures MisterP Oct 2014 #58

overreaction treestar Oct 2014 #64

It's not a disagreement. That trivalizes what your side is doing. 20score Oct 2014 #70

What NSA reforms have been accomplished? joshcryer Oct 2014 #71

Because every time marym625 Oct 2014 #73

What are you talking about? joshcryer Oct 2014 #75

I don't even think he qualifies as a whistleblower! treestar Oct 2014 #121

I think they're including dog whistles ucrdem Oct 2014 #148

Right On bahrbearian Oct 2014 #72

+1000 The pro-survellance state gang are not liberals at all. They may be partisan loyalist. Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #82

Yup. truebrit71 Oct 2014 #92

Well said! n/t Aerows Oct 2014 #103

So tell me one thing Andy823 Oct 2014 #157

You're proving my point. 20score Oct 2014 #159

Really? Andy823 Oct 2014 #160

Goddamnit! No, I won't answer your question. Greenwald is not the story. 20score Oct 2014 #163

Greenwald speaks for Snowden Andy823 Oct 2014 #166

I have posted this about six times in the last 24 hours. Once more. 20score Oct 2014 #168

Documents are not crimes, but stealing them is. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #170

That's your come back?! For fucks sake! 20score Oct 2014 #173

Yes, and I notice you're not denying it. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #174

Denying what? WTF are you talking about? 20score Oct 2014 #176

Glad I could straighten things out for you. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #178

Isn't that special? 99Forever Oct 2014 #83

Here we go again. Andy823 Oct 2014 #162

Walks like a duck, 99Forever Oct 2014 #164

Great reply. Andy823 Oct 2014 #167

Nothing "great" or "clever" about it. 99Forever Oct 2014 #169

And the truth is, Snowden and Greenwald exposed no criminal behavior except their own. ucrdem Oct 2014 #172

Neat excerpt. Where are the lies that are referenced in the title? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #90

"Despite Poitras’ best efforts, the movie confirms the views of his critics." Cha Oct 2014 #97

Except near every other review, even some Snowden critics, says the opposite. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #109

Why would Snowden be on trial at all? Nothing he said was true... hughee99 Oct 2014 #98

You can hate on Edward Snowden Aerows Oct 2014 #101

...^ that 840high Oct 2014 #106

I concur. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #114

You can judge somebody by who their enemies are. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #113

LMAO! Aerows Oct 2014 #116

Immature. nt treestar Oct 2014 #125

"In other words, the trial is “unfair” because the evidence conclusively establishes that Snowden Cha Oct 2014 #129

They just want to get their nilesobek Oct 2014 #135

Whatever Snowden's shortcomings may be, they don't excuse the NSA's crimes. Scuba Oct 2014 #136

Yep. 840high Oct 2014 #137

+10000 Of course they don't. Which is why all these PR threads are pathetic. woo me with science Oct 2014 #142

Which NSA crimes did Snowball expose again? ucrdem Oct 2014 #143

. randome Oct 2014 #155

.. ucrdem Oct 2014 #158

... ucrdem Oct 2014 #165

.... ucrdem Oct 2014 #177

The ones that they are currently being sued for by the EFF and the ACLU. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #180

The EFF and ACLU are suing crimes exposed by Snowden? ucrdem Oct 2014 #182

Look it up. It's really easy. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #183

Right. There are no such, at least before edits. But thanks for popping in. ucrdem Oct 2014 #184

I did an OP about one such lawsuit today. It's on the greatest page. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #187

You also edited your post after I had answered it. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #188

Ah, I see. Glad to see you focus on the meat of things. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #189

I don't rely on deception to make my points, no. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #190

I added the word "for". Ooooh! Deception. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #194

The Jewel case was filed in 2008, back when Snowden loved his prez. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #199

So? EFF now has a stronger case. Their motion for partial summary judgment uses, among other things Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #200

Swell. Meanwhile, no NSA crimes exposed by team Snowball. Thanks. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #203

Nope. Opposite of EFF's and the ACLU's position. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #206

I'll put that next to the Pulitzers they won. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #208

The ACLU and EFF won Pulitzers'? I hate it when I miss the big news. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #209

Not to worry. Everyone wins a Pulitzer on the internet. ucrdem Oct 2014 #214

Snowden with NSA Director General Michael Hayden at a gala in 2011 ucrdem Oct 2014 #144

Snowball whopper #1, June 17, 2013: ucrdem Oct 2014 #147

Monday June 11, 2013. "NSA leak is treason, says Feinstein" Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #179

Senator Feinstein is not the Attorney General. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #191

Snowden did not specify the AG. Feinstein holds a very powerful position in government. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #192

Prosecutions are Holder's bailiwick and he spoke four days later. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #195

And? There is no lie. He never claimed that the US govt. said he should be prosecuted Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #196

Feinstein is not the USG, and the USG did not openly declare Snowden guilty of treason. ucrdem Oct 2014 #198

Feinstein is indeed the U.S. government. All three branches are the U.S. government. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #201

She holds an office. So does Holder, and his has jurisdiction in this matter. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #202

And? Holder's jurisdiction is not the point of contention. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #204

Snowy's claim is the point and he lied. I'm sorry. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #205

Mr. Snowden's claim is in plain language. The U.S. government, as represented by powerful Senators, Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #207

Fareed Zakaria noted the difference on his CNN show this morning. pinto Oct 2014 #152

Defense, under the espionage act, would be barred from bringing up intent. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #185

Thanks for the clarification. I stated it wrong. I think Fareed was posing some theoretical points. pinto Oct 2014 #212

Mahalo for that, pinto. Cha Oct 2014 #210

A lot of nice adjectives and descriptive verbs. Reads more like a creative writing exercise. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #154

Fits with these other articles by this 22YO: KurtNYC Oct 2014 #161

Who cares. SomethingFishy Oct 2014 #193

Nobody is trying to divide themselves up. We are clearly divided with little or no effort at all. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #197

K&R. Snowden's story is riddled with lies and inconsistencies. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #213