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Maraya1969

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87. Where do you hear this? Because I've just spent some time looking for evidence of
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 10:50 PM
Oct 2014

pre-European North America violence and the only thing I found it one archeological dig that they think might be a genocide but there were only 100 skeletons found.

They have found many, (but I can't find a number) skeletons with digs in their bones where they were hit with arrows and such.

And then I found this: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2012/11/21/thanksgiving-guilt-trip-how-warlike-were-native-americans-before-europeans-arrived/

Here are some paragraphs:
In two momentous early encounters, Native Americans greeted Europeans with kindness and generosity. Here is how Christopher Columbus described the Arawak, tribal people living in the Bahamas when he landed there in 1492: “They…brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance…. With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”


How that passage—which I found in A People’s History of the United States by the historian Howard Zinn (Harper Collins, 2003)—captures the whole sordid history of colonialism! Columbus was as good as his word. Within decades the Spaniards had slaughtered almost all the Arawaks and other natives of the New Indies and enslaved the few survivors. “The cruel policy initiated by Columbus and pursued by his successors resulted in complete genocide,” wrote the historian Samuel Morison (who admired Columbus!).


The friendliness of the Wampanoag was extraordinary, because they had recently been ravaged by diseases caught from previous European explorers. Europeans had also killed, kidnapped and enslaved Native Americans in the region. The Plymouth settlers, during their desperate first year, had even stolen grain and other goods from the Wampanoag, according to Wikipedia’s entry on Plymouth Colony.


The good vibes of that 1621 feast soon dissipated. As more English settlers arrived in New England, they seized more and more land from the Wampanoag and other tribes, who eventually resisted with violence—in vain. We all know how this story ended. “The Indian population of 10 million that lived north of Mexico when Columbus came would ultimately be reduced to less than a million,” Zinn wrote.

...nt Mnemosyne Oct 2014 #1
well. there it is. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #2
Prescient malaise Oct 2014 #3
It was pretty violent between tribes also before whiteman came scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #4
Has any society avoided violence? tecelote Oct 2014 #7
No scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #8
Context is important here. tecelote Oct 2014 #9
I read the context scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #10
The Top 1% Owns 40% of the Nation's Wealth. tecelote Oct 2014 #11
You mean the Worlds wealth scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #13
Do you know anyhthing about history? pangaia Oct 2014 #14
Yeah they went to war for resourses just like Every other race , they killed other tribes for food scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #18
??? heaven05 Oct 2014 #20
But, that has nothing to do with that about which Black Elk was speaking. pangaia Oct 2014 #26
He's saying that Whiteman didn't care for it's people like our people did for our own scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #32
They didn't accumulate wealth while they let their people starve, is what I got out of it. bravenak Oct 2014 #35
Wealth wasn't money or gold , it was territory and horses on the plains scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #38
You did see the part about letting people starve while having plenty, right? bravenak Oct 2014 #40
What do you think happened when you took horses and hunting grounds in war ? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #42
They could still hunt food though. bravenak Oct 2014 #44
Imagine people today living a nomadic lifestyle in our country. tecelote Oct 2014 #48
I am wondering when they will start charging us for air. bravenak Oct 2014 #53
I can't find the quote by Neil Degrasse Tyson. But, to paraphrase... tecelote Oct 2014 #57
I agree with that. bravenak Oct 2014 #59
It doesn't work out like that when large group of mostly just elderly , childern and women scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #52
And then the europeans came and killed off the millions of people who had survived. bravenak Oct 2014 #54
What do you mean none survived the Whiteman ? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #55
Not none. bravenak Oct 2014 #58
All this started because I said that Native Americans were no different scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #61
You built a strawman. bravenak Oct 2014 #62
There's no strawman , not one thing I posted is incorrect scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #64
That is not what a strawman means. bravenak Oct 2014 #67
No , what I started was the Whiteman comment in the OP and how native americans were so different scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #68
No. bravenak Oct 2014 #69
Read the OP again scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #70
It is about GREED. bravenak Oct 2014 #71
Are you seriously saying there was no greed in native american culture? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #72
What you keep trying to do is to strawman the op. bravenak Oct 2014 #73
I don't have to strawman it scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #74
You strawmanned it in your first post. bravenak Oct 2014 #76
No I didn't( as in I didn't take offense to the OP or what you wrote) scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #77
It was no where near on the same level as europe. bravenak Oct 2014 #78
You know , the only one so far that has tried to use a strawman argument in this entire thread scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #79
The strawman is what you did in your first post on thread. bravenak Oct 2014 #80
No , they are the same ...we all are scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #83
They are not the same. bravenak Oct 2014 #84
If you reread my posts I'm the one who wrote the cultures were different in how wealth scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #88
You began by using violence to evaluate the quot that was about greed. bravenak Oct 2014 #90
That's how it's was achieved , greed for the best hunting grounds , greed for the fastest ponies scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #94
Sorry, but you just don't understand quite yet. bravenak Oct 2014 #96
Native American tribes did war against one another for resources but they did so for liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #86
That was the wealth in how they perceived it . Claiming the land where migration of game animals scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #98
Wealthy and Greed didn't really register with them LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #144
Not when it was raids against other tribes for horses , Many had more horses than they needed but scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #147
And you have done a good job of it in this thread. zeemike Oct 2014 #107
I tried. bravenak Oct 2014 #108
General Miles went on an extermination program nilesobek Oct 2014 #117
No, I believe the quote is not ridiculous. And I am not spinning anything. pangaia Oct 2014 #36
You obviously live in a different world. tecelote Oct 2014 #39
Beautiful. bravenak Oct 2014 #41
You protest too much.... GTurck Oct 2014 #115
How do you feel about ruining a thread we were all enjoying? We were having a pleasant discussion. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #119
I think the point is that, WITHIN THEIR TRIBE, they cared for their own people thesquanderer Oct 2014 #129
No he's using race by saying Whiteman scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #132
That's a bit of a non-sequitor thesquanderer Oct 2014 #139
If you are going to cut and paste information without attributing it, and pretend you wrote it ... kwassa Oct 2014 #99
lol scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #100
You are supposed to reference any quotes you use. bravenak Oct 2014 #101
okay didn't know that scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #103
I didn't know at first either. bravenak Oct 2014 #104
I wish I could write as well as that author did scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #105
I'm sure it took practice. bravenak Oct 2014 #106
. kwassa Oct 2014 #109
U.S.A. | The Melting Pot tecelote Oct 2014 #15
Thank you for the link. It is scary. RickFromMN Oct 2014 #133
What he was seeing even back then was that his tribe took care of their own in a community linked jwirr Oct 2014 #60
I can see only one bullshit post here. ReRe Oct 2014 #138
white men kardonb Oct 2014 #21
Not exactly true. tecelote Oct 2014 #25
And in the past, most such chiefs would have quickly found themselves without people Scootaloo Oct 2014 #43
And where do you get your data? Our tribe has several casinos and they not only pay a dividend jwirr Oct 2014 #65
Thank you for this! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #113
The change in our tribe is unbelievable. The homes are repaired, the schools are good, anyone who jwirr Oct 2014 #127
Good Thespian2 Oct 2014 #23
Belated welcome to you, Thespian2 suffragette Oct 2014 #56
Was it really? tabasco Oct 2014 #24
Not seeing history of significant warfare among the Lakota people Ash_F Oct 2014 #45
More like 2naSalit Oct 2014 #63
True some of the tribes waged limited wars against each other. TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #50
Where do you hear this? Because I've just spent some time looking for evidence of Maraya1969 Oct 2014 #87
Wow, kinda touchy there...hit a nerve? Rex Oct 2014 #93
Just dispelling misinformation scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #102
500 posts since joining 10/7 - if nothing else you are very prolific scary stuff yo lunasun Oct 2014 #151
How do you know this? nt Zorra Oct 2014 #122
Yup, El Shaman Oct 2014 #130
Non sequitur. This is about a hoarding class that hoards useless wealth. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #141
We already have far more than enough for everybody GeoWilliam750 Oct 2014 #5
Wise one. tecelote Oct 2014 #27
Sadly, there was definitely truth to this. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #6
I am now reading: Bury my heart at Wounded knee by Dee Brown. Breaks my heart Paper Roses Oct 2014 #12
reading this book hopemountain Oct 2014 #22
Oh for sure. I add my recommendation of both books to yours. My copy of LoisB Oct 2014 #29
mine, too. hopemountain Oct 2014 #31
Yes, I read this way, way back when it was published.. pangaia Oct 2014 #30
It's a good read Scootaloo Oct 2014 #46
Further reading og1 Oct 2014 #66
Thanks to everyone who made reading suggestions. Paper Roses Oct 2014 #116
That is one of the few books I have read twice. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #140
There are white people who care about each other treestar Oct 2014 #16
Context. tecelote Oct 2014 #17
Or a lack of broad knowledge beyond one's own experience treestar Oct 2014 #89
This would be the ones he met Ash_F Oct 2014 #47
The important thing is... Dr. Strange Oct 2014 #49
whoosh BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #75
Why is this generalization OK? treestar Oct 2014 #91
His statement is overly broad???????????? BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #110
You do realize he lived in the late 1800 to early 1900's? bravenak Oct 2014 #111
They're called DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS:) grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #142
Always felt this to be the case. 'Whites' as generally identified, come from a continent that was at freshwest Oct 2014 #19
Good post. bravenak Oct 2014 #28
That is very nice. I hope you keep working on it. pangaia Oct 2014 #33
Native people were much less reliant on and desirous of mfg. goods, materials appalachiablue Oct 2014 #81
Agricultural societies vs hunter gatherers BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #112
Genocide of Native Americans in N. A. through conquest and disease appalachiablue Oct 2014 #150
Beautiful JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #114
Black Elk would be one of my ancestors...If he could see me now, I hope I would make him proud. Tikki Oct 2014 #34
:>))) pangaia Oct 2014 #37
What has passed, builds today. tecelote Oct 2014 #51
"Excavations at the Crow Creek site revealed the bodies of 486 people...." Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #82
How many White were killed by other whites during that time? bravenak Oct 2014 #85
I don't have the exact number, but I would guess many more, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #92
I would agree with that. bravenak Oct 2014 #95
Like any other peoples in the world treestar Oct 2014 #97
More speculation from white anthropologists, archaeologists, and Zorra Oct 2014 #123
Very perceptive of Black Elk. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #118
It's amazing Android3.14 Oct 2014 #120
in those old photographs (and even in the paintings) redruddyred Oct 2014 #121
The 'sad' look in old portrait photos stems from long exposure times Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #124
thanks for the history lesson. redruddyred Oct 2014 #125
Sounds nice until you put thought whistler162 Oct 2014 #126
Condescending and uncalled for liberalmuse Oct 2014 #134
Thanks for the post. ctsnowman Oct 2014 #128
So very true. liberalmuse Oct 2014 #131
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #135
....in a nutshell. spanone Oct 2014 #136
The USA Gov.will never allow a Ghost Dance for peace, prosperity, and unity across the regions Sunlei Oct 2014 #137
Chief Seattle's reply to a Government offer to purchase the remaining Salish lands: AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #143
Before Columbus, the story of man and nature was one. tecelote Oct 2014 #145
Please post this separately. tecelote Oct 2014 #146
Today, people discuss Climate Change tecelote Oct 2014 #148
He was a Duwamish chief AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #149
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