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...nt Mnemosyne Oct 2014 #1
well. there it is. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #2
Prescient malaise Oct 2014 #3
It was pretty violent between tribes also before whiteman came scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #4
Has any society avoided violence? tecelote Oct 2014 #7
No scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #8
Context is important here. tecelote Oct 2014 #9
I read the context scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #10
The Top 1% Owns 40% of the Nation's Wealth. tecelote Oct 2014 #11
You mean the Worlds wealth scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #13
Do you know anyhthing about history? pangaia Oct 2014 #14
Yeah they went to war for resourses just like Every other race , they killed other tribes for food scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #18
??? heaven05 Oct 2014 #20
But, that has nothing to do with that about which Black Elk was speaking. pangaia Oct 2014 #26
He's saying that Whiteman didn't care for it's people like our people did for our own scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #32
They didn't accumulate wealth while they let their people starve, is what I got out of it. bravenak Oct 2014 #35
Wealth wasn't money or gold , it was territory and horses on the plains scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #38
You did see the part about letting people starve while having plenty, right? bravenak Oct 2014 #40
What do you think happened when you took horses and hunting grounds in war ? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #42
They could still hunt food though. bravenak Oct 2014 #44
Imagine people today living a nomadic lifestyle in our country. tecelote Oct 2014 #48
I am wondering when they will start charging us for air. bravenak Oct 2014 #53
I can't find the quote by Neil Degrasse Tyson. But, to paraphrase... tecelote Oct 2014 #57
I agree with that. bravenak Oct 2014 #59
It doesn't work out like that when large group of mostly just elderly , childern and women scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #52
And then the europeans came and killed off the millions of people who had survived. bravenak Oct 2014 #54
What do you mean none survived the Whiteman ? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #55
Not none. bravenak Oct 2014 #58
All this started because I said that Native Americans were no different scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #61
You built a strawman. bravenak Oct 2014 #62
There's no strawman , not one thing I posted is incorrect scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #64
That is not what a strawman means. bravenak Oct 2014 #67
No , what I started was the Whiteman comment in the OP and how native americans were so different scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #68
No. bravenak Oct 2014 #69
Read the OP again scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #70
It is about GREED. bravenak Oct 2014 #71
Are you seriously saying there was no greed in native american culture? scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #72
What you keep trying to do is to strawman the op. bravenak Oct 2014 #73
I don't have to strawman it scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #74
You strawmanned it in your first post. bravenak Oct 2014 #76
No I didn't( as in I didn't take offense to the OP or what you wrote) scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #77
It was no where near on the same level as europe. bravenak Oct 2014 #78
You know , the only one so far that has tried to use a strawman argument in this entire thread scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #79
The strawman is what you did in your first post on thread. bravenak Oct 2014 #80
No , they are the same ...we all are scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #83
They are not the same. bravenak Oct 2014 #84
If you reread my posts I'm the one who wrote the cultures were different in how wealth scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #88
You began by using violence to evaluate the quot that was about greed. bravenak Oct 2014 #90
That's how it's was achieved , greed for the best hunting grounds , greed for the fastest ponies scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #94
Sorry, but you just don't understand quite yet. bravenak Oct 2014 #96
Native American tribes did war against one another for resources but they did so for liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #86
That was the wealth in how they perceived it . Claiming the land where migration of game animals scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #98
Wealthy and Greed didn't really register with them LiberalLovinLug Oct 2014 #144
Not when it was raids against other tribes for horses , Many had more horses than they needed but scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #147
And you have done a good job of it in this thread. zeemike Oct 2014 #107
I tried. bravenak Oct 2014 #108
General Miles went on an extermination program nilesobek Oct 2014 #117
No, I believe the quote is not ridiculous. And I am not spinning anything. pangaia Oct 2014 #36
You obviously live in a different world. tecelote Oct 2014 #39
Beautiful. bravenak Oct 2014 #41
You protest too much.... GTurck Oct 2014 #115
How do you feel about ruining a thread we were all enjoying? We were having a pleasant discussion. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #119
I think the point is that, WITHIN THEIR TRIBE, they cared for their own people thesquanderer Oct 2014 #129
No he's using race by saying Whiteman scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #132
That's a bit of a non-sequitor thesquanderer Oct 2014 #139
If you are going to cut and paste information without attributing it, and pretend you wrote it ... kwassa Oct 2014 #99
lol scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #100
You are supposed to reference any quotes you use. bravenak Oct 2014 #101
okay didn't know that scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #103
I didn't know at first either. bravenak Oct 2014 #104
I wish I could write as well as that author did scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #105
I'm sure it took practice. bravenak Oct 2014 #106
. kwassa Oct 2014 #109
U.S.A. | The Melting Pot tecelote Oct 2014 #15
Thank you for the link. It is scary. RickFromMN Oct 2014 #133
What he was seeing even back then was that his tribe took care of their own in a community linked jwirr Oct 2014 #60
I can see only one bullshit post here. ReRe Oct 2014 #138
white men kardonb Oct 2014 #21
Not exactly true. tecelote Oct 2014 #25
And in the past, most such chiefs would have quickly found themselves without people Scootaloo Oct 2014 #43
And where do you get your data? Our tribe has several casinos and they not only pay a dividend jwirr Oct 2014 #65
Thank you for this! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #113
The change in our tribe is unbelievable. The homes are repaired, the schools are good, anyone who jwirr Oct 2014 #127
Good Thespian2 Oct 2014 #23
Belated welcome to you, Thespian2 suffragette Oct 2014 #56
Was it really? tabasco Oct 2014 #24
Not seeing history of significant warfare among the Lakota people Ash_F Oct 2014 #45
More like 2naSalit Oct 2014 #63
True some of the tribes waged limited wars against each other. TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #50
Where do you hear this? Because I've just spent some time looking for evidence of Maraya1969 Oct 2014 #87
Wow, kinda touchy there...hit a nerve? Rex Oct 2014 #93
Just dispelling misinformation scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #102
500 posts since joining 10/7 - if nothing else you are very prolific scary stuff yo lunasun Oct 2014 #151
How do you know this? nt Zorra Oct 2014 #122
Yup, El Shaman Oct 2014 #130
Non sequitur. This is about a hoarding class that hoards useless wealth. grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #141
We already have far more than enough for everybody GeoWilliam750 Oct 2014 #5
Wise one. tecelote Oct 2014 #27
Sadly, there was definitely truth to this. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #6
I am now reading: Bury my heart at Wounded knee by Dee Brown. Breaks my heart Paper Roses Oct 2014 #12
reading this book hopemountain Oct 2014 #22
Oh for sure. I add my recommendation of both books to yours. My copy of LoisB Oct 2014 #29
mine, too. hopemountain Oct 2014 #31
Yes, I read this way, way back when it was published.. pangaia Oct 2014 #30
It's a good read Scootaloo Oct 2014 #46
Further reading og1 Oct 2014 #66
Thanks to everyone who made reading suggestions. Paper Roses Oct 2014 #116
That is one of the few books I have read twice. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #140
There are white people who care about each other treestar Oct 2014 #16
Context. tecelote Oct 2014 #17
Or a lack of broad knowledge beyond one's own experience treestar Oct 2014 #89
This would be the ones he met Ash_F Oct 2014 #47
The important thing is... Dr. Strange Oct 2014 #49
whoosh BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #75
Why is this generalization OK? treestar Oct 2014 #91
His statement is overly broad???????????? BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #110
You do realize he lived in the late 1800 to early 1900's? bravenak Oct 2014 #111
They're called DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS:) grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #142
Always felt this to be the case. 'Whites' as generally identified, come from a continent that was at freshwest Oct 2014 #19
Good post. bravenak Oct 2014 #28
That is very nice. I hope you keep working on it. pangaia Oct 2014 #33
Native people were much less reliant on and desirous of mfg. goods, materials appalachiablue Oct 2014 #81
Agricultural societies vs hunter gatherers BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #112
Genocide of Native Americans in N. A. through conquest and disease appalachiablue Oct 2014 #150
Beautiful JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #114
Black Elk would be one of my ancestors...If he could see me now, I hope I would make him proud. Tikki Oct 2014 #34
:>))) pangaia Oct 2014 #37
What has passed, builds today. tecelote Oct 2014 #51
"Excavations at the Crow Creek site revealed the bodies of 486 people...." Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #82
How many White were killed by other whites during that time? bravenak Oct 2014 #85
I don't have the exact number, but I would guess many more, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #92
I would agree with that. bravenak Oct 2014 #95
Like any other peoples in the world treestar Oct 2014 #97
More speculation from white anthropologists, archaeologists, and Zorra Oct 2014 #123
Very perceptive of Black Elk. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #118
It's amazing Android3.14 Oct 2014 #120
in those old photographs (and even in the paintings) redruddyred Oct 2014 #121
The 'sad' look in old portrait photos stems from long exposure times Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #124
thanks for the history lesson. redruddyred Oct 2014 #125
Sounds nice until you put thought whistler162 Oct 2014 #126
Condescending and uncalled for liberalmuse Oct 2014 #134
Thanks for the post. ctsnowman Oct 2014 #128
So very true. liberalmuse Oct 2014 #131
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #135
....in a nutshell. spanone Oct 2014 #136
The USA Gov.will never allow a Ghost Dance for peace, prosperity, and unity across the regions Sunlei Oct 2014 #137
Chief Seattle's reply to a Government offer to purchase the remaining Salish lands: AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #143
Before Columbus, the story of man and nature was one. tecelote Oct 2014 #145
Please post this separately. tecelote Oct 2014 #146
Today, people discuss Climate Change tecelote Oct 2014 #148
He was a Duwamish chief AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #149
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