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113. Unmasking Race and Privilege
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:29 AM
Oct 2014

White privilege is to white people as water is to fish. It is part of our "background of obviousness." We can't see it and don't know about it until something happens to lift the veil.

It's human nature to think in binaries and to be "tribal:" the assumption that I and mine are "people," and strangers, non-members of the in-group, different ones don't count as human. People can learn to get past that, but they won't figure that out for themselves. They have to learn critical thinking skills. They have to wake up.

I agree that we have to talk. More than that, we have to learn to listen and empathize. We have to be able to interrogate how racism and white privilege work to maintain the status quo and keep "the masses" stuck where we are, arguing among ourselves while the ultra-rich get everything they want. This kind of emotional intelligence and multicultural competence requires critical thinking, respect, and dialogue. What is needed is the kind of education pioneered by Paolo Freire in Pedagogy of the Oppressed, and the resulting "conscientization" expanded upon by Gustavo Guttierrez and other liberation theologians (including James Cone, Black liberation theologian at Union Seminary.) Needless to say, that kind of education can't be assessed with bubble tests or taught on an iPad, so it isn't happening in public schools.

All the videos in this post made me sad, but most of all the one of the black radio host who complained about "brainwashing" black children to believe in racism. The "do what I say and you won't get hurt" and "thug" language he used were shocking coming out of his mouth. But another piece of the puzzle is that our entire culture is abusive and hostile, built on fear, bullying, and violence. It starts with the way many parents treat their children. The "poisonous pedagogy" that Alice Miller talked about in her books produces people who blame victims (and blame themselves if they are victims) and who can fall prey to the kind of blind, nihilistic denial that the radio host displayed.

The thing that frustrates me most about online discussions is the inevitable and rapid descent into arguing from anecdotes or folklore. "I knew a guy once who didn't get a job because of affirmative action" is an example of what I'm talking about. Of course, that shows clearly what has been termed "the possessive investment in whiteness." Affirmative action to help high-achieving black students overcome some of the deficits society imposed on them for being born black is "wrong," but the fact that 20% of the spots in Ivy League colleges go to "legacy" applicants is not even discussed. Because of course rich white people are entitled to that kind of benefit. Because they are rich and white. When I mentioned that to a white man who was arguing against affirmative action he said it "shouldn't" be that way--everything should be based on true merit. He missed the point.

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The answer is quite simple. Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #1
I agree with that marym625 Oct 2014 #3
It's a good start Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #4
I'm sorry-- YarnAddict Oct 2014 #10
No please do marym625 Oct 2014 #15
I HATE auto-correct!!!! n/t YarnAddict Oct 2014 #25
LOL Me TOO marym625 Oct 2014 #31
I don't think it will matter much. Two words: Rodney King. The justice system is kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #67
I agree that we can't know marym625 Oct 2014 #76
I hear the "it's only a few cops" argument often. JTFrog Oct 2014 #5
Again, transparency. Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #9
Yeah, that's a HUGE problem marym625 Oct 2014 #17
I personally am sick of hearing that particular line used. I'll believe there are good cops KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #41
It is a really disgusting way to address a serious problem marym625 Oct 2014 #103
As always, specific examples help. To wit, who here knows how many LAPD officers KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #105
copologist math LOVE IT. n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #106
I don't know if libodem Oct 2014 #2
Then we talk about how it sounds or is racist marym625 Oct 2014 #8
Where do we start? Why, with a solid definition of terms. Here's how I define KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #44
well thought out good comment marym625 Oct 2014 #46
Few dispute the need for some sort of constabulary force, barring evolution of a fully communist KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #50
I have been watching a great deal of the live streams marym625 Oct 2014 #54
Well, we now know from the fabricated quotes and mis-quotes the St. Louis Post-Dispatch KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #56
I don't know it marym625 Oct 2014 #62
"Relationship" can mean so many things in this context. At a bare minimum, it's probably KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #64
Since we're talking philosophy and defining things... ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #79
Your questions are valid, but I don't want to derail Mary's thread unduly with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #84
Go ahead. derail. marym625 Oct 2014 #91
This morning I said to my (white) mom XemaSab Oct 2014 #60
Good point marym625 Oct 2014 #63
Perhaps white people should stop caring how they're labeled. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #82
Sorry, probably stupid question marym625 Oct 2014 #92
I am saying ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #107
I agree marym625 Oct 2014 #111
Why use the label at all? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #120
I'm not advocating for it to be used marym625 Oct 2014 #121
I think that is good advice. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #122
Unfortunately. marym625 Oct 2014 #123
I said the same thing to my mom. bravenak Oct 2014 #85
Kickin' Faux pas Oct 2014 #6
Thank you! marym625 Oct 2014 #21
When you say we need to talk, YarnAddict Oct 2014 #7
no, both sides dont have legitimate racial arguments, there is no systematic oppression La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #11
Alerted, I voted to leave. However, your implication at the end of reply is not helpful. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #14
Do you really believe that? marym625 Oct 2014 #22
Examples include Hispanics and folks from the Middle East, and Native Americans NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #33
Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #36
I would say there is very much institutinalized, legally empowered, government enforced bias Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #71
Very true marym625 Oct 2014 #75
What institutionalized racism is there against whites? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #26
Where did I say that there was? Oh, that's right, I didn't say that. nt NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #34
I think that's what was assumed marym625 Oct 2014 #37
you said far more institutionalized which implies that there is some systematic oppression of whites La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #39
Not what I meant but there probably is bias against elderly and disabled white folks. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #45
to say that it is institutionalized is one thing hfojvt Oct 2014 #87
Where do you get if you walk away? marym625 Oct 2014 #94
you are the one saying we MUST havea discussion hfojvt Oct 2014 #117
I didn't attack marym625 Oct 2014 #118
wrong part of thread marym625 Oct 2014 #119
What do you think can be done about systematic oppression? YarnAddict Oct 2014 #16
I actually had a discussion about this with one of the Leaders in St Louis today marym625 Oct 2014 #27
passing laws is not the same as efforts to eliminate. most of the CRA of 1964 in term of employment La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #40
I find the housing issue very interesting and somewhat intractable. branford Oct 2014 #48
Mostly only white people see that as an issue, since black folks really don't need them. jtuck004 Oct 2014 #58
A "goal" has an "attaboy" attached if you achieve it YarnAddict Oct 2014 #49
a lot of them have been solved? marym625 Oct 2014 #96
Well said! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #95
Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #18
+1 gollygee Oct 2014 #20
Nice reply. Just as predicted in the OP YarnAddict Oct 2014 #35
the reason this leads to the end of discussion, is because some whites will La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #38
Well, what is my role? YarnAddict Oct 2014 #59
Yes there is something you can do about it marym625 Oct 2014 #98
Why do you think there is a PERCEPTION among white people XemaSab Oct 2014 #70
I am sorry marym625 Oct 2014 #100
Please take a look at what you're saying marym625 Oct 2014 #43
jury results grasswire Oct 2014 #42
Thanks for posting that marym625 Oct 2014 #47
Thank you YarnAddict Oct 2014 #52
Hmm . . . Juror #6 gollygee Oct 2014 #131
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #78
Is this racist? Why or why not? XemaSab Oct 2014 #80
Holy shit! marym625 Oct 2014 #99
it's offensive and bigoted, but not an example of systemic oppression JI7 Oct 2014 #110
So it's not racist? XemaSab Oct 2014 #116
if by racist you mean offensive, hateful JI7 Oct 2014 #124
So "racism" to you only means systematic oppression? XemaSab Oct 2014 #126
I mean actually discuss marym625 Oct 2014 #13
As I stated in my YarnAddict Oct 2014 #24
Yes, obviously involvement in a child's education is extremely important marym625 Oct 2014 #30
Check out colorofchange.org wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #12
Which letter is this? marym625 Oct 2014 #19
The link is to a petition ... the petition is in the form of a letter. wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #23
Yes, I'm sorry marym625 Oct 2014 #28
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #29
Thank you NYC_SKP n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #32
Ok, I'm going to just say something marym625 Oct 2014 #51
Thank you for posting this.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #53
Thank you! marym625 Oct 2014 #55
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #57
Just out of curiosity, how does 'reverse discrimination in the form of affirmative action' KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #61
Assuming this person is genuine, he's got a lot to learn. See my reply to him. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #66
The language seemed stilted and gawky enough ("revolving problem") that I was willing to give him KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #68
Affirmative Action does have its issues, that is true. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #65
I am not an expert in this area. I do wonder, though, whether the primary beneficiaries of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #69
Ok Ill be brief GummyBearz Oct 2014 #72
I am with you there GummyBearz marym625 Oct 2014 #77
Two separate questions posed. 1. Police brutality/institutionalized aggression. 2. Racism. 20score Oct 2014 #73
I understand you separating the issues marym625 Oct 2014 #81
Please see post #89 n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #90
Police brutality and for profit prisons are a serious problem regardless of race. Initech Oct 2014 #83
Please, don't hold back :) marym625 Oct 2014 #88
It's not just race. It's fear of all "others." And the religion of guns. DirkGently Oct 2014 #86
Well said marym625 Oct 2014 #89
Some statistics to buttress your eloquently argued points: 1% of the KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #93
K&R especially for that first video. Even black kids know the "I don't see color" and "my best Number23 Oct 2014 #97
That some of best friends bs marym625 Oct 2014 #101
Good post! k+r ..nt TeeYiYi Oct 2014 #102
Thanks TYY! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #104
kick Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #108
Thanks! marym625 Oct 2014 #112
Thank you for this post, Mary. Live and Learn Oct 2014 #109
so true marym625 Oct 2014 #114
Unmasking Race and Privilege Seminarian Oct 2014 #113
completely agree. marym625 Oct 2014 #115
Police brutality and racism rolled into one - maced666 Oct 2014 #125
I actually have to run so I will check you link later marym625 Oct 2014 #127
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #128
seems to me that you have the problem. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2014 #129
It seems all of your posts are in support of the Ferguson police Live and Learn Oct 2014 #130
There's so much wrong with what you just said marym625 Oct 2014 #132
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