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In reply to the discussion: Why is the American left not as effective as the European left? [View all]nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)40. the OP displays a conveniently limited view of contemporary politics.
thanks for reminding us where the REAL problems lie.
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Why is the American left not as effective as the European left? [View all]
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
OP
It's not War and Peace. Read the OP like a grownup, then get back to me.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#46
Dismissing it in its entirety without explanation is "the slightest criticism"?
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#76
sounds like it was written by somebody who came into office as a youngish progressive
nashville_brook
Oct 2014
#7
i've been seeing "the left" get LOTS done -- paid sick time, raise the wage, and GOTV
nashville_brook
Oct 2014
#16
I've seen the liberal leaders whom the left constantly trashes get those things done.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#38
I loathe individual people who care more about their egos than about other people.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#68
Exactly. The OP is a reaction to present circumstances, and argues for changing them.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#70
What do you think the LGBT rights advances came from, the right? Centrists who nattered about
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2014
#25
My point was that these things had been "pushed for" by the left for decades. Ineffectually.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#95
The state senator I vote for every time is consistently the most progressive one in my state.
suffragette
Oct 2014
#106
I love the fact I finally got my teeth taken care of thanks to Obamacare. Too bad you only care
KittyWampus
Oct 2014
#42
And again, you're trolling childish retorts because you have no rational arguments to make.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#157
Well, which is it? Do you not consider yourself American, or do you not consider yourself Left?
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#155
Because Europe's media isn't owned in its entirety by five billionaires, like it is in the US.
PSPS
Oct 2014
#15
Pretty bad. This is takeover of education/history by RW in 35 yrs., corporate media, dumbed down.
appalachiablue
Oct 2014
#146
No backing from the established party. Zephyr Teachout, Barbara Buono who were Both sound contenders
adirondacker
Oct 2014
#26
And to you that's enough, but not to anyone who actually needs help from the government.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#97
"If it's all about money and return on investment and stock shares and all that,
adirondacker
Oct 2014
#45
The bullshit is only going to get heavier and heavier and more voluminous when the 2014
djean111
Oct 2014
#50
I agree with Moyers, but I don't see how this relates to what we're discussing.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#100
also, watch what happens when left congress folk try to form coalitions with libertarian Rs
nashville_brook
Oct 2014
#44
Ludicrous accusation. Constructive, rational criticism = "lefty punching." Sheer insecurity.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#102
You didn't even read the OP. You've made that clear, now stop spamming.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#103
It is TL/DR....but why do you think the "European Left" is so successful? They aren't.
MADem
Oct 2014
#65
They would have to be reversed quite a long ways to become like our systems.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#127
Decades? Berlusconi and Sarkozy were progressive? Merkel is a rightie. Le Pen almost won in France.
MADem
Oct 2014
#119
There are serious cracks in that armor. They aren't new, and they are getting worse, not better.
MADem
Oct 2014
#192
Progress is not a straight line, so there were bound to be reversals for Europe.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#216
Progress may not be a straight line, but when the entire region, pretty much, screams
MADem
Oct 2014
#221
1200 hate radio stations owned, run, and staffed by the looniest of the loony right. Complete
Doctor_J
Oct 2014
#87
Seems to have pissed off quite a few people who see themselves reflected in it.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#131
Yep. And now that you realize that, take the insults (because there was no discussion
Number23
Oct 2014
#152
The Left has to fight a coalition (or, Devil's Brew) now of Republicans and 3rd Way Democrats.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2014
#111
that's it exactly. As soon as Obama and the rest of the DINOs support Sanders instead of PHARMA,
Doctor_J
Oct 2014
#132
So, the Democrats should form coalitions with the Left instead of the quasi-Republican "moderates".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2014
#142
Unfortunately, the party seems very comfortable with it's right wing pals and beneficiaries.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2014
#158
The left will align itself with the Party when it proves itself a reliabale friend
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2014
#187
If the Left is so "ineffective" why does it get blamed when the Democrats lose?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2014
#229
Yes, Wellstone was definitely one of the last humanist titans in the federal government.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#135
You mean like the way we punished Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders for being effective legislators?
pa28
Oct 2014
#114
Can you support the claim that Warren and Sanders are effective legislators?
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#136
Over a half century of demonization of 'communists' and 'socialists'
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2014
#161
The left bears a lot of responsibility for right-wing victories. Denying that would be dishonest.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#190
Why should anyone take this seriously? You offer no evidence for anything you say.
Vattel
Oct 2014
#162
Because it's content with the excuses provided by history and the status quo.
True Blue Door
Oct 2014
#178
You know...you should publish this. It speaks truth to me...if not "truth" at least reality. nt
kelliekat44
Oct 2014
#198
This post is preposterous with the rise of the ultra-nationalists in the EU.
joshcryer
Oct 2014
#209
I'm trying to point that out, pretty much, and getting the "Well but it's a continuum" argument in
MADem
Oct 2014
#222
I suppose if we simply define what would be considered center-right everywhere else in the western
Douglas Carpenter
Oct 2014
#223
Well it seems you insist on pushing your agenda on what you think a liberal/leftist is so..
Kalidurga
Jun 2015
#236