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loyalsister

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35. You really see no relationship between

Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:04 PM

Oct 2014

withholding care as a matter of policy and\or out of public or personal self interest? It is legal to deny care that could have life saving implications in the US. Policy makers have done this very often via medicaid cuts. Thus, a policy that withholds care may threaten and\or end the life of a person who needs it. This has been done quite often in the name of fiscal responsibility to tax payers. In MO it was oxygen and podiatry care and it really did kill people.

Do you deny that alleviation of the child's pain was closely tied to relieving the mothers emotional pain.

Ridicule if you want. The fact is, what I am talking about really did happen. A single decision led to a policy that evolved into a horrifying offshoot. It's not a simple analogy. Actual lives and\or the ability to reproduce of real people were sacrificed for their own good (the progressive justification) and\or for the betterment of the human race (the conservative justification).

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Mother wins right to end disabled daughter's life [View all] loyalsister Oct 2014 OP

If it is true that her daughter was "screaming in agony" phylny Oct 2014 #1

I think taking the link and reading the original story Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #4

+1 Electric Monk Oct 2014 #9

+++++ uppityperson Oct 2014 #29

Well said. Aerows Oct 2014 #66

I agree marym625 Oct 2014 #5

"loved her child so much that she didn't want to see her suffer unnecessarily" loyalsister Oct 2014 #8

I understand, but I don't fault this parent because others are phylny Oct 2014 #11

Our experiences with such things define our opinions loyalsister Oct 2014 #14

I knew a young woman who was murdered by her sister who had terminal cancer because there would jwirr Oct 2014 #40

Care to elaborate? Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #44

The younger sister was developmentally disable and had lived with her older sister most of her life. jwirr Oct 2014 #48

I have a handicapped daughter 42 years old demigoddess Oct 2014 #52

I'm so sorry you, and your daughter, are going through all this. Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2014 #61

I'm just telling so people demigoddess Oct 2014 #64

You keep throwing the word "murder" around. LordGlenconner Oct 2014 #56

You are pretty judgemental- this isn't about just some disabilty Marrah_G Oct 2014 #58

This was in London and they murdered her by withholding food and water. JimDandy Oct 2014 #2

I wonder if it was more agonizing than the pain she was phylny Oct 2014 #6

This is my concern. Control-Z Oct 2014 #7

In hospice it is common to stop tube feedings and it is considered ethical. mucifer Oct 2014 #13

And is that a decision made by the patient loyalsister Oct 2014 #16

When the patient is a minor, it may be that the parents have the power to make such decisions. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #17

And hospice is different from this situation as well loyalsister Oct 2014 #20

He was placed in a nursing home. Control-Z Oct 2014 #26

I have also seen that - a living will is a good thing to have. Something everyone regardless of age jwirr Oct 2014 #41

The baby might have suffered less when feedings were withdrawn mucifer Oct 2014 #15

Not a baby. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #24

It is not, in fact, an agonizing way to die. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #23

By what means was she euthanized? Withdrawal of food? Just read the post above me. I hate reading jwirr Oct 2014 #3

Euthanasia might not have been the correct word loyalsister Oct 2014 #10

Yes, so do I. And a very dangerous precident because this parent seems to really have loved her jwirr Oct 2014 #39

I'm taking the mum's side on this. Twelve years of agony, it can't have been easy. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #12

I am horrified by this decision. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #18

I think using this family's suffering to make a point is appalling. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #19

Have you heard people suggest that making reproductive decisions for someone else should be policy? loyalsister Oct 2014 #21

Have you heard of the slippery slope fallacy? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #25

Really? loyalsister Oct 2014 #28

Thanks for making my point. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #30

You really see no relationship between loyalsister Oct 2014 #35

It's not a slippery slope fallacy bananas Oct 2014 #31

I actually support that decision for personal reasons. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #32

Well you're certainly a good writer but I hear you regarding family. Come from the same lot. mackerel Oct 2014 #34

You may be correct about your own personal circumstances and no one can judge you on that but I jwirr Oct 2014 #43

I am so sorry you feel that way about yourself. smirkymonkey Oct 2014 #69

God, I assume you are talking about the eugenics movement of the late 1800s and early 1900s jwirr Oct 2014 #42

It was an ugly time loyalsister Oct 2014 #47

More detail here (even an interview with the mother that may play for you) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #22

I have not doubted the mothers dedication. And this does make it more undertandable. jwirr Oct 2014 #45

No one who has never been faced with a decision like this SheilaT Oct 2014 #27

+1 gollygee Oct 2014 #36

I have. My daughter is very much like the child in the article and I have faced death situations jwirr Oct 2014 #46

There's no comparison between kidney pain and endometriosis REP Oct 2014 #50

Endometriosis was just the tip of the iceberg with my daughter. It was used as one of the examples jwirr Oct 2014 #54

What would be best? Conserve the child? Make the child a ward of the court? mackerel Oct 2014 #33

I don't know what would have been best loyalsister Oct 2014 #37

I get what you're saying to a point. I don't think it is a bias mackerel Oct 2014 #38

Have you ever heard someone say they would rather die than live in pain? loyalsister Oct 2014 #49

I think it's very important to make a distinction between personal belief or preference nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #53

In answer to your question; yes. Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2014 #63

You have really hit a nerve Marrah_G Oct 2014 #62

I respect the different opinions about this. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #51

I think we are only getting part of the information regarding this ruling. hedgehog Oct 2014 #55

Have you ever watched a child suffer in pain with zero quality of life? Marrah_G Oct 2014 #57

And another thing, she didn't "murder" her child Marrah_G Oct 2014 #59

Headline should read "Disabled girl loses right to continue living" KamaAina Oct 2014 #60

You equate an interview to "all about the mother," who certainly did NOT act out of "stigmas and WinkyDink Oct 2014 #65

ASAN Statement On The Killing Of Nancy Fitzmaurice KamaAina Oct 2014 #67

Thanks! loyalsister Oct 2014 #68