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44. I'm not a Christian

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:39 AM

Oct 2014

but I was raised by a devout Christian, my grandmother, who devoted her life to caring for disabled and disturbed kids. She drew a great deal of strength and inspiration from her faith (albeit quietly, religion being seen as an intensely personal matter here). She was also pro-choice and pro-gay.

I would suggest that there are Christians who really are trying to live the teachings of Jesus. But, by and large, they're not the ones you hear about. Pat Robertson's church is essentially just a publicity machine for him and media has a bias toward teh sensational. What's going to draw more ratings, Pat Robertson saying something outrageous or Rev Jim Jones collecting blankets for the homeless?

There is still a contingent of Christianity that is progressive and there always has been. Google "Christian left". While Robertson and those like him would be burning heretics the very second they could get away with it, they're not all like that.

And I'm a Luciferian Satanist.

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Why People Vote Republican [View all] Prophet 451 Oct 2014 OP

Big issue: Republicans convinced people that "Democrats are the party of tax and spend." merrily Oct 2014 #1

Compost would likely be more useful Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #25

No, stop that right now. It's a great post. merrily Oct 2014 #39

That's the first time that I...... daleanime Oct 2014 #45

Thank you very much Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #46

They should be. Warpy Oct 2014 #123

Sspeaking of that idiot Reagan, new sitcom on AMAZON "Alpha House"-John Goodman randys1 Oct 2014 #103

FDR was elected four, count 'em, four times. And then Truman was elected after serving out almost a merrily Oct 2014 #106

Too bad he he had to commit treason to be elected prez randys1 Oct 2014 #108

That was by far not the only reason he got elected, IMO, but he was certainly willing to do whatever merrily Oct 2014 #110

Why Sheeple Vote rethugliCON Bortman33 Oct 2014 #2

I dislike the term "sheeple" Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #26

i enjoyed reading your post bmac19gg Oct 2014 #3

Both sides do it, The Wizard Oct 2014 #8

People vote Democrat because of the media? Really? Please elaborate. Scuba Oct 2014 #9

The word is "Democratic"; to use "Democrat" as an adjective is to be puerile. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #13

I think it's being used as an adverb in his/her post, but I agree it sd be "Democratic." merrily Oct 2014 #18

How much did you mean to tell us about yourself? merrily Oct 2014 #19

Seriously. drm604 Oct 2014 #53

.... merrily Oct 2014 #69

I don't disagree. drm604 Oct 2014 #77

If s/he is posting on Democratic Underground and is not a Democrat, then s/he is trying to pose merrily Oct 2014 #82

You know you don't just have to be a pretend bouncer of this place Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #89

You want free speech for Republicans, but keep trying to shut me up? merrily Oct 2014 #90

I'm just making a helpful suggestion Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #92

And you're not all over this thread, making sure no one interferes with bmac's "right" to imply the merrily Oct 2014 #93

Apology accepted Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #99

let's just say it: dumb a fence posts Skittles Oct 2014 #158

Some points would be the same Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #21

well done, thanks for taking the time bmac19gg Oct 2014 #155

.... TBF Oct 2014 #27

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #47

That's a good jury decision. drm604 Oct 2014 #54

Not sure yet Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #56

Do you think the poster votes for Democratic candidates? merrily Oct 2014 #57

The post didn't actually advocate against voting for Democrats. drm604 Oct 2014 #59

The TOS say "Vote for Democrats," not only "Don't actually advocate against voting for Democrats." merrily Oct 2014 #60

This is not something I want to argue about. drm604 Oct 2014 #63

Then don't. merrily Oct 2014 #64

I'm sorry your alert failed Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #66

I didn't alert and you're not sorry. You fit two false statements into five words. Kudos? merrily Oct 2014 #71

Here's another totally sincere hugging emoticon Capt. Obvious Oct 2014 #78

Blatant Republican does not get hidden. Proof postive this site has been taken over. n/t ieoeja Oct 2014 #95

the Libertarians here took over moderation a looong time ago. bettyellen Oct 2014 #148

Love Juror #7's response. bigwillq Oct 2014 #143

LOL! bettyellen Oct 2014 #147

Take a hike son, take a hike. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #149

It's nice to get feedback from republicans on issues like this! BillZBubb Oct 2014 #152

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #4

Thank you, sir Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #28

Male and hetero all the way. Not that there's anything wrong with the alternative. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #38

Great post. ctsnowman Oct 2014 #5

Thank you n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #29

What we are experiencing The Wizard Oct 2014 #6

All empires fall eventually Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #23

At least when the Roman Empire fell, it left the world some great traditions and artifacts. The KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #61

Oh, you've contributed more to civilization than that Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #67

Clint Eastwood ended the genre of the Western with 'Unforgiven' (imo). But, yeah, I KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #72

You didn't like Unforgiven? Inkfreak Oct 2014 #105

No, i was positively floored by "Unforgiven," so much so that I turned to my wife and said, "No one KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #107

We're on the same page then! Inkfreak Oct 2014 #112

Without being a spoiler, I will say that there is something magical that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #115

Further derailing the topic: If you haven't seen "This Man Must Die," you might want to RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #140

well, now I've learned something new (that "The Crossing Guard" had KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #146

De rien. Chabrol is sometimes known as "the French Hitchcock" RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #150

Wow. It's been awhile since I've been deeply immersed in French cinema and I never KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #153

Loved Paris, Texas... although I saw it stateside RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #156

Wonerful anecdotes. If you get a chance, Wenders' "Land of Plenty" (2004) is a minor tour de KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #162

Thanks for the recommendation! RufusTFirefly Oct 2014 #163

If the US falls, it will have left the concept that a modern people can overthrow a king and form a merrily Oct 2014 #76

Good point. It's not for nothing that Abe Lincoln in his Winter Address KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #79

Oh, dear. Just realized the connection between your screen name and my prior post. merrily Oct 2014 #81

No offense taken. In the future, though, 'We' would appreciate being referred to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #84

No, but, I will not take out on you my grudges against King George (or King Charlemagne). merrily Oct 2014 #85

K&R TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #7

Thank you n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #30

Excellent post, thanks. Scuba Oct 2014 #10

You're very kind Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #31

Good Summary - Citizens United Trumps All cantbeserious Oct 2014 #11

Yep Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #32

The succinct version: Fear and Avarice, with a measure of Bellicosity. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #12

I'm just naturally wordy Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #37

That's a shame--some students missed out on some great lectures! Great OP and follow-ups!!! Stardust Oct 2014 #135

all levels... Locrian Oct 2014 #14

Hardly new tactics Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #36

yep - it's really the same old tactics - tried and true n/t Locrian Oct 2014 #50

very good MFM008 Oct 2014 #15

Sure, but we say that every day n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #33

I would have voted for Abe Lincoln in 1860 and 64 (I think). Beside that, though, I KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #68

Most Republicans believe they are morally superior to Democrats... kentuck Oct 2014 #16

Had one a brother in law thought all Democrats are pacifist. gordianot Oct 2014 #22

Of course Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #34

Lol its funny/sad because the truth is the opposite :( ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #42

Damn right The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #17

This is why I will never stand for office Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #24

My wife won't let me run for office due to all the skeletons in my closet, most KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #75

Is that sarcasm? ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #43

But we are ALL human.... daleanime Oct 2014 #49

Im not convinced rethugs are human, more like some species of troll :p ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #160

It is possible to cross breed.... daleanime Oct 2014 #164

For Republicans in Senate race... TRoN33 Oct 2014 #20

I think voting Republican is mainly emotional Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #35

We have to stop being intimidated by Christian BS vlyons Oct 2014 #40

I'm not a Christian Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #44

well I'm a Buddhist, and yes I understand that there are many Christians, who vlyons Oct 2014 #80

And that's why they're trying to corporatize education Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #86

hahaha vlyons Oct 2014 #97

There are also tiny segments of Republicans who are pro choice and pro gay.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #101

We do not punish the son for the sins of the father Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #111

Very succinctly said, and well writ indeed! nt procon Oct 2014 #41

Thank you n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #48

because they are selfish and stupid people samsingh Oct 2014 #51

Partly Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #55

I grew up in rural America Major Nikon Oct 2014 #52

K&R drm604 Oct 2014 #58

That's where I run out of ideas Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #62

The demographic shift is what's making them act so drastically. drm604 Oct 2014 #73

The Friends of Mary Shelley Society (FMSS) pleads with you not to KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #83

What happens if the demographics shift... CANDO Oct 2014 #96

If that happens then they win. drm604 Oct 2014 #141

Thanks for cross-posting this (and not 'composting' it :) I hope it KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #65

Thank you, sir Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #70

Ha-ha. Well I prefer to be known as the 'Father of Europe'. But KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #74

Three words: RACE, HATE, & FEAR! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #87

No Arguments Here RadicalGeek Oct 2014 #88

Brilliant post. hifiguy Oct 2014 #91

Another reason they vote Republican maryellen99 Oct 2014 #94

As I sid upthread, I dislike the term Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #98

I probably do underestimate how easy it is to program hifiguy Oct 2014 #104

My kid brother is autistic Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #113

It's very discouraging that "Obamacare" polls horribly in Kentucky, yet . . . Vinca Oct 2014 #100

Media and poor education Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #102

Couldn't be the still POS economy One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #109

Sure, that's part of it too Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #114

Republianity Martin Eden Oct 2014 #116

Thank you Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #117

A former GOP staffer refers to the Republican Party as a CULT Martin Eden Oct 2014 #118

Thanks for the link Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #119

Excellent article, thanks Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #120

I like it at first hfojvt Oct 2014 #121

Well, opinions vary Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #124

He's from the UK... Docross Oct 2014 #122

Quick answer? Idiots who vote Republican because they "believe in working for a living".... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #125

Fear, stupidity, and racism (not necessarily in that order). 11 Bravo Oct 2014 #126

I never understand humbled_opinion Oct 2014 #127

I don't diagree with any of that n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #128

voting against their own interests napkinz Oct 2014 #129

The third is the most accurate Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #131

You get an "A+" for your well written and thoroughly thought out analysis of the US. world wide wally Oct 2014 #130

Thank you also, for the kind words n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #133

One of the best compendiums zentrum Oct 2014 #132

Thank you n/t Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #134

Respectfully, you missed the Main reason "why." Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #136

While that's part of it, I'm not sure it's the primary reason Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #137

Goodnight to you as well... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #139

And many of hitler's henchmen moved here after the war. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #138

Well thought out and succinctly put. Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #142

Ha, fundamentalism is a revenge fantasy. Aptly put. nt valerief Oct 2014 #144

, blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #145

well said. DCBob Oct 2014 #151

Nope. reimaginethis Oct 2014 #154

Well said nikto Oct 2014 #157

people who vote for republicans have their reasons and they are not being dumb! jonjensen Oct 2014 #159

Sooooo...their reasons are racist and dumb? That makes them dumb. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #161