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229. no. our precious guns will not allow it. period.

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Are we ever going to get tired enough of school shootings that we actually do something about them? [View all] dsc Oct 2014 OP

No- our politicians are cowards, quaking at the feet of the NRA Marrah_G Oct 2014 #1

Please allow me to add....' A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #9

land of the free, home of the brave.... Marrah_G Oct 2014 #11

Home of the used to be A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #17

yup Marrah_G Oct 2014 #19

I love my country, but it embarrasses the shit out of me these days. n/t A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #20

Sadly, sounds about right. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #37

We'll try, but the NRA will stop us. shenmue Oct 2014 #2

This is the 87th shooting spartan61 Oct 2014 #3

Well, you do understand part of the problem. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #25

Nah...they would rather turn the schools for the "poor kids" into prison camps VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #4

Or at least send the little monsters to private schools Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #178

the poor ones already refuse to allow their angels to ride the school buses with the VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #179

What should be done to reduce the numbers of school shootings? Jenoch Oct 2014 #5

In my opinion, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7

I think a national UBC law could help, Jenoch Oct 2014 #8

The news here said he was given the gun for his last birthday. Hard to lock up a gift you gave your lunasun Oct 2014 #48

My son has several guns he's got for gifts....all locked up. ileus Oct 2014 #78

tribes DustyJoe Oct 2014 #80

But that's largely irrelevant mythology Oct 2014 #128

UBC law? I'm not familiar with that term. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #63

Universal Background Check Jenoch Oct 2014 #66

Ah, got it. Thank you. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #67

we don't need any more science dsc Oct 2014 #10

That is a pretty dark view point, in my opinion. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #14

Unless your theory is that our children are somehow worse than those of every single solitary dsc Oct 2014 #16

Canada has lots of guns, but they have very few mass shootings in comparison to the US. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #21

they don't have anything like the gun laws we do dsc Oct 2014 #23

Sure, but do you really think laws like that would have stopped any school shootings in the US? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #29

yes I do dsc Oct 2014 #38

Small correcton sarisataka Oct 2014 #50

The guns are a symptom, as opposed to the disease. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #58

Granting that, do you think laws can significantly reduce the number of guns out there? Recursion Oct 2014 #223

The 'our culture' that is producing these children Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #40

His father gave him a gun for his birthday.not sure if it was registered or not but registering lunasun Oct 2014 #54

There is no gun registration in WA state. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #194

It's not just guns though. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #59

I agree that it's not JUST the guns laundry_queen Oct 2014 #90

Then we have very similliar views on this subject. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #119

Your post has LOTS of sensible ideas and observations, laundry_queen. calimary Oct 2014 #186

Thank you calimary laundry_queen Oct 2014 #195

Yeah, no kidding. calimary Oct 2014 #201

There is no right to shoot anyone. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #202

Indeed. But let's look at that statement from the viewpoint of the assholes who've used calimary Oct 2014 #204

I agree with everything you wrote laundry_queen Oct 2014 #203

You're right, I wouldn't want you as president. branford Oct 2014 #205

Fuck the Second Amendment Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #214

So glad you will NEVER have the chance to shred the BoR. GGJohn Oct 2014 #216

Do you have any idea how your 'ideas' would damage the U.S. economy? Jenoch Oct 2014 #218

So, someone kills your meat for you, right? You hire it out, rather than get your hands dirty? X_Digger Oct 2014 #222

You Would Be Suprised At What You Can Own.. ozone82 Oct 2014 #76

A Canadian can own a semi-automatc rifle. Jenoch Oct 2014 #143

Those gun laws have cut our gun murder rate in half in the last few decades hack89 Oct 2014 #26

No better medicine combined with an older population has been almost wholly responsible for that dsc Oct 2014 #39

So what laws do you want? Nt hack89 Oct 2014 #46

an outright ban on dsc Oct 2014 #69

None of which is going to happen. GGJohn Oct 2014 #72

when I was a kid, for that matter a young adult dsc Oct 2014 #99

Not even comparable. GGJohn Oct 2014 #101

The first two will never happen hack89 Oct 2014 #79

Without doubt etherealtruth Oct 2014 #96

In many cases retroactive enforcement is the only option. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #132

To the NRA & gun makers, this is free product promotion. lastlib Oct 2014 #6

i think people are just supposed to be happy that it wasn't ISIS or Ebola that kills them JI7 Oct 2014 #12

Ebola Ebola Ebola malaise Oct 2014 #13

Sadly no, not until the NRA is denounced as a terrorist organization and banned from existence. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #15

Which ain't never going to happen because tha NRA isn't a terrorist organization. GGJohn Oct 2014 #73

No, just a right wing "nut job" group etherealtruth Oct 2014 #97

True, but that doesn't make it a terrorist organization. GGJohn Oct 2014 #102

Sure it does. The NRA promotes the use of unsafe firearms that are used to commit terrorist acts. That makes it a terrorist organization. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #209

Huh? branford Oct 2014 #210

So you think AR-15's, for example, that can deliver multiple shots per sec using clips w/ dozens of rounds is a safe weapon protected under the 1st Amendmt? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2014 #213

1st Amendment? GGJohn Oct 2014 #217

What utter bull pucky Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #226

Huh, again? branford Oct 2014 #230

Balderdash!!!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #212

We told Congress and they just ignored us. Rex Oct 2014 #18

Precisely. 99Forever Oct 2014 #22

Exactly. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #228

Nothing will get done as long as there is an NRA. Cleita Oct 2014 #24

And I am sure the RW would love to do the same for planned parenthood and the ACLU hack89 Oct 2014 #27

No. That's up to the lawyers and politicians to figure out. Cleita Oct 2014 #31

It is not going to be done by trampling over the first amendment hack89 Oct 2014 #32

Fuck that and the second Ammendment excuses. Cleita Oct 2014 #35

Have you read the Democratic Party platform? hack89 Oct 2014 #43

And a crackdown on the NRA, whatever it takes, to defang them. n/t Cleita Oct 2014 #49

How? What law can you write that won't be used against liberal groups? hack89 Oct 2014 #51

I'm not a lawyer. It's up to our politicians to figure it out and it's up to us Cleita Oct 2014 #53

Half those politicians are republican hack89 Oct 2014 #56

So you want to trample on the 1st Amendment because of your hatred of the NRA? GGJohn Oct 2014 #74

The first Ammendment is about freedom of speech not freedom to kill. Cleita Oct 2014 #83

And you would be violating the NRA's freedom of speech. GGJohn Oct 2014 #84

I can't answer your question because I'm not the right wing. Cleita Oct 2014 #86

Nice attempt at a smear, too bad it failed. GGJohn Oct 2014 #87

So by your logic subversive organizations like ISIS and Al Queda have Cleita Oct 2014 #93

You're comparing the NRA to Al Queda and ISIL? GGJohn Oct 2014 #94

Good. You are a waste of time. eom Cleita Oct 2014 #95

I'm not the one wanting to curb a civil right just because I don't like the message. GGJohn Oct 2014 #100

This isn't about message. It's about actions that undermine Cleita Oct 2014 #106

No, this is about your wanting to shut down an organization that you disagree with. GGJohn Oct 2014 #109

the difference is that the NRA is vastly more effective at killing Americans dsc Oct 2014 #136

Who has the NRA killed? GGJohn Oct 2014 #137

The NRA has killed the spirit and resolve of gun control proponents and politicians. branford Oct 2014 #145

In fairness a better analogy is to the tobacco companies dsc Oct 2014 #153

But that's not true. GGJohn Oct 2014 #158

in comparison to smokers I would bet at most 1 in 10 of the deaths dsc Oct 2014 #161

With you, Cleita! calimary Oct 2014 #141

You realize you are calling for censorship and oppression by the Government? NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #148

very true Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #152

And I hope you've been making that point to the NRA, too. calimary Oct 2014 #163

Wow, that was the biggest fail post I've read in a while. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #166

A lot of people believe in free speech, except when they don't agree . . . nt branford Oct 2014 #169

The relatively easy fix to most of these shootings ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #28

Uh-huh... I'll bet the mother of that kid who blew away all those children at Sandy Hook calimary Oct 2014 #142

You should probably brush up on your facts. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #144

Yep. I'm sure they stored all those nice harmless guns properly and safely calimary Oct 2014 #155

You really need to take a deep breath and think about what you are trying to say. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #168

what hyperbole, I really think you believe it Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #157

OH, I see, it was a "legal semi-automatic rifle that were AWB compliant." calimary Oct 2014 #167

Now you are beginning to understand. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #170

Wrong. I already understood that. calimary Oct 2014 #173

You have used the word 'restrictions'. Jenoch Oct 2014 #175

What should be done depends on your goals. ManiacJoe Oct 2014 #193

you are correct Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #180

No, the real problem there is that the AWB didn't do what its supporters think it did Recursion Oct 2014 #221

Start shaming the NRA's footmen in congress LuvLoogie Oct 2014 #30

We also need to frame it differently. Dumbed-down so more of the low-information voters can start calimary Oct 2014 #41

"Start shaming them." It's been going on for years. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #70

School shooting. Shooting that happens in a school. School. Shooting. kcr Oct 2014 #81

I think we know. Gun-apologists. They'll seek ANY rationale to keep and get more damn guns. calimary Oct 2014 #126

Whose "moving goalposts?" The banners, clearly. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #207

It depresses me that even here on DU there are all these gun nuts Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #45

+1 Hoyt Oct 2014 #131

I hear ya, Arugula Latte. calimary Oct 2014 #183

I'm asking you this with respect, GGJohn Oct 2014 #184

Harry Reid knows no shame. He really wants to be Senate majority leader. Nt hack89 Oct 2014 #52

Only in America world wide wally Oct 2014 #33

I do not think so, because guns are everything but killing machines and when they do kill.. Tikki Oct 2014 #34

The true answer ... No. Just no. Kablooie Oct 2014 #36

Just a thought, we are not tops with suicides Beringia Oct 2014 #42

No. You don't want to hurt the feewings of the gun fetishists! Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #44

No. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #47

Isis! Ebola! booooga woooga! jberryhill Oct 2014 #55

No, you're not. Nothing will change. Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #57

No! peace13 Oct 2014 #60

well here is one suggestion posted on my high school graduating classes Facebook page Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #61

that would be a horrible idea dsc Oct 2014 #211

I would say so too. Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #224

In my state after we had 20 young children and 6 staff murdered scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #62

A high price to pay to get sensible legislation... marions ghost Oct 2014 #115

CT scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #134

It wasn't universal registration though NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #146

CT had an AWB before Sandy Hook nt hack89 Oct 2014 #225

I agree with what you are saying davidpdx Oct 2014 #64

Actually do something? You mean more than bitch on the internet? LOL, no. Don't be stupid. flvegan Oct 2014 #65

Federal government is good at some things, bad at others. Federal government can be slow, liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #68

Not even the lead story any more... JCMach1 Oct 2014 #71

Vast swaths of our country value guns more than children. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #75

This is a sad but very true answer to the question... Tikki Oct 2014 #85

Not as long as we take a passive approach to security. ileus Oct 2014 #77

Yes, We, the People Are Beyond Tired fredamae Oct 2014 #82

No. Takket Oct 2014 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #89

Why weren't there school shootings when guns were more available? former9thward Oct 2014 #91

Children, even in High School, feared reprisal from their parents if they were caught messing... Tikki Oct 2014 #103

There is much truth to your post. former9thward Oct 2014 #107

Yes...but guns tag along with this part of Society's downgrade. Tikki Oct 2014 #111

Truly. These people parading around openly wearing their massacre machines are public menaces. calimary Oct 2014 #127

How do you propose to stop open carry where it's legal? GGJohn Oct 2014 #129

I'd be working to reverse that and make it ILLEGAL. calimary Oct 2014 #140

You won't get any flaming from me. GGJohn Oct 2014 #147

Try proper concealed carry Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #159

True, and I live in one of those states that have hot, dry summers, average temp-110 GGJohn Oct 2014 #164

Well, that opens a great can of worms. LWolf Oct 2014 #92

Nope. nt cwydro Oct 2014 #98

Not until a close family member of Lint Head Oct 2014 #104

There is no solution to prevent a lone nut with a gun. Too many guns and too easy to obtain. nt Logical Oct 2014 #105

+1 Cleita Oct 2014 #108

Sadly, other people's children do not trump arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #110

Now they are also claiming 1st Ammen. rights like Cleita Oct 2014 #112

Who is doing that? GGJohn Oct 2014 #113

... Cleita Oct 2014 #116

Except I'm not, but you knew that. GGJohn Oct 2014 #117

Your words speak for themselves and you aren't the only person who says it. Cleita Oct 2014 #118

The NRA is terrorizing politicians? GGJohn Oct 2014 #120

Wow, the lengths they go in service to arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #114

Make a law if your gun is used in a shooting mandatory 5 years jail marlakay Oct 2014 #121

Very sensible law. GGJohn Oct 2014 #122

Let all the people out who went to jail for pot marlakay Oct 2014 #123

We need more logical thinkers like you. GGJohn Oct 2014 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Oct 2014 #125

There is nothing we can do. Banning guns will never happen LittleBlue Oct 2014 #130

And, even if by some stroke of a miracle, the 2A was repealed, GGJohn Oct 2014 #135

Exactly! LittleBlue Oct 2014 #156

It wouldn't even do that-- the right would be protected by the 9th, federally. ;) n/t X_Digger Oct 2014 #208

Ban all Guns!!! n/t PowerToThePeople Oct 2014 #133

Easier said than done, GGJohn Oct 2014 #138

How? nt branford Oct 2014 #139

Starting with the cops. Dr. Strange Oct 2014 #150

Lets hear your plan Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #160

Never. Ever. hifiguy Oct 2014 #149

Back in the 1970s you didn't hear about school shootings FrodosPet Oct 2014 #151

it is more because we didn't have cheap assault weapons and semi automatic rifles dsc Oct 2014 #154

Yeah, we did. GGJohn Oct 2014 #162

there is a difference between guns being around and guns being cheap dsc Oct 2014 #165

Those semi autos back then were cheaper to buy than today relative to the level of wages. GGJohn Oct 2014 #171

The mid to late 70's is considered the second most violent period for school shootings hack89 Oct 2014 #174

I always carried a knife to school, as did most people I knew FrodosPet Oct 2014 #185

Americans have never been safer hack89 Oct 2014 #189

And the most violent was the mid 1990's (nt) Recursion Oct 2014 #220

very true Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #181

I have mentioned this in the past Jenoch Oct 2014 #192

Which is odd, because shootings in schools were much more common in the 1970s than today Recursion Oct 2014 #215

The sad reality is that any serious anti gun legislation would drive gun sales through the roof. Initech Oct 2014 #172

I actually wondered RadicalGeek Oct 2014 #176

Gun sales would soar as people would buy firearms to protect themselves. branford Oct 2014 #188

I would like to see a fraction of the concern for 1 ebola death directed at gun violence. Vinca Oct 2014 #177

Death machines are the major U.S. industry, so no, not in our lifetimes. nt valerief Oct 2014 #182

not really Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #187

I waiting for the move to ban branford Oct 2014 #190

If it saves just one childs life........ Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #191

lets talk about swimming pools dsc Oct 2014 #196

Insurance isn't required for a swimming pool. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #197

there is no permit whatsoever to buy a gun in my state or any state which borders mine dsc Oct 2014 #198

Connecticut. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #199

And nevertheless, still more children die in swimming pools than by guns, branford Oct 2014 #200

Not in my lifetime. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #206

Well, let's look at why they have plummeted over the past 20 years, maybe? Recursion Oct 2014 #219

No - Because The Right Wing Will Protect Their Benefactors cantbeserious Oct 2014 #227

no. our precious guns will not allow it. period. spanone Oct 2014 #229