Having a hard time understanding your position/comments (Reply #9)

In the discussion thread: If Solar was subsidized like Fossil fuels [View all]

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:53 PM

packman (16,296 posts)

9. Having a hard time understanding your position/comments

We all here understand the reality of the status quo, it is - I hope - the goal of everyone on a progressive site to hope and to work to change that seemingly intractable mire we find ourselves in. Reality is -forgive the pun - relative. Reality , at one time, meant 12 hr. work days, women not voting, slavery, no ACA, dirty air/water, etc., etc.

Sorry, not going to throw up my hands and "mock" reality-too defeatist.

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79 replies	Author	Time	Post
If Solar was subsidized like Fossil fuels [View all]	packman	Oct 2014	OP
Rec.	truebluegreen	Oct 2014	#1
Bringing the oil and gas out of the ground is becoming more and more expensive.	JDPriestly	Oct 2014	#15
What if there was a movement to take subsidies given for	Cleita	Oct 2014	#2
This is what is needed. A major movement. It needs to be serious, more than petitions.	Maineman	Oct 2014	#72
There will never be a replacement for the fossil fuel consumption rate today.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#3
Maybe not in this country	packman	Oct 2014	#4
The production of solar cells is highly toxic. Taking a step back is no where close to achieving...	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#7
More toxic than fracking? Nuclear waste? Coal tailings?	immoderate	Oct 2014	#10
It's not a matter of how toxic it is. Manufacturing a lot of tech things is a toxic process.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#37
Why is it not possible to use solar energy to manufacture solar cells?	immoderate	Oct 2014	#47
So, if it can't be completed in YOUR lifetime ...	staggerleem	Oct 2014	#20
Welcome to DU.	antiquie	Oct 2014	#22
My life time has nothing to do with it.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#31
Thank goodness someone agrees with the fossil fuel industries	ProfessorPlum	Oct 2014	#59
Thanks for your intelligent rational input.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#68
And thank you, too ...	staggerleem	Oct 2014	#79
And, considering fossil fuels, including conventional crude oil, are finite resources...	ChisolmTrailDem	Oct 2014	#5
Can't say I am shocked by the lack of rational thinking about it. Coal will out last oil.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#28
That's really more encouraging than you think.	immoderate	Oct 2014	#49
IOW: We're doomed!	immoderate	Oct 2014	#6
Mocking reality is also doomed.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#8
Having a hard time understanding your position/comments	packman	Oct 2014	#9
You could start with basic physics. You can't get something from nothing...	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#39
I could be wrong....	daleanime	Oct 2014	#23
Okay, I'll play. Why not? And you can't say cost. We always have money for endless war. nt	valerief	Oct 2014	#12
You can't buy your way out of this.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#33
Off to Ignore for you!	valerief	Oct 2014	#46
Oh boy ...I'm on ignore. LMFAO	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#51
I take it you do not live in Southern California. We WILL replace fossil fuels with solar.	JDPriestly	Oct 2014	#14
Hwy 101 is what 10 lanes? Imagine all those cars and trucks using solar power. Can you? I can't.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#34
It's a matter of developing the technology. And we can do it.	JDPriestly	Oct 2014	#36
I've seen the solar car college projects and contests. I don't hold out any hope that they...	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#38
We don't grow much food for cattle or even hogs in Southern California.	JDPriestly	Oct 2014	#45
We can use solar energy to create hydrogen to power fuel cells.	immoderate	Oct 2014	#50
Precisely. The solar cars run on electricity that is from the solar panels.	JDPriestly	Oct 2014	#56
You seem to be totally ignorant of plug-in electric cars...	Thor_MN	Oct 2014	#61
Thanks for your rational explanation as to how we can replace the expanding usage of oil with solar.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#66
How will you expand the use of oil, when it runs out?	immoderate	Oct 2014	#74
Huh? You have nothing...	Thor_MN	Oct 2014	#75
exactly	bmac19gg	Oct 2014	#54
You mean electric cars using batteries?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Oct 2014	#76
It's also not possible to continue dumping CO2	pscot	Oct 2014	#21
You think people will stop using cars? Not a chance. China is accelerating car use as well.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#30
It won't be our call	pscot	Oct 2014	#44
Jacobson et. al. has a plan and would disagree	Agony	Oct 2014	#26
Ah ...so he has figured out how to stop people from using cars. Good for him.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#29
no he uses the EIA International Energy Outlook to calculate how to replace fossil fuels with WWS	Agony	Oct 2014	#40
Now on to forcing people away from their car addictions. Good luck.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#41
the stinking putrid air over Beijing is forcing people to analyze their addictions	Agony	Oct 2014	#42
...despite all the bicycle use too. It's not all from cars for sure. You'd think that...	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#43
Much as the social fabric dramatically changed during the market changes from horse to combustion en	LanternWaste	Oct 2014	#67
Wrong. Solar/electric vehicles are already cheaper!	grahamhgreen	Oct 2014	#53
says the extraction industry	ProfessorPlum	Oct 2014	#58
Your snark is touching. Got nothing else huh. Figures.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#65
Also, the COST OF WAR is another subsidy of oil. nt	valerief	Oct 2014	#11
yep - my guess is we won't have to go to war	rurallib	Oct 2014	#24
K&R. We have so much sun. Why aren't we using it?	JDPriestly	Oct 2014	#13
Next we will invade the Middle East to steal their sun.	Spitfire of ATJ	Oct 2014	#16
+1	Auggie	Oct 2014	#17
K&R	DeSwiss	Oct 2014	#18
It's a bit cheaper here in Connecticut	NewJeffCT	Oct 2014	#19
Fucking Reagan... If he hadn't stopped Carter's move towards solar	SomethingFishy	Oct 2014	#25
I agree but that would only have prolonged the inevitable and that was before China got on board.	L0oniX	Oct 2014	#32
says the extraction industry	ProfessorPlum	Oct 2014	#57
can you provide a link to the source?	DeadEyeDyck	Oct 2014	#27
With some googling, I think it sources back to treehugger.com originally	Electric Monk	Oct 2014	#35
Thanks for the reference	packman	Oct 2014	#71
thanks nt	DeadEyeDyck	Oct 2014	#78
k&r...	spanone	Oct 2014	#48
Oil is dead. Long live the sun!	grahamhgreen	Oct 2014	#52
The world economy is still based on fossil fuels.	Jenoch	Oct 2014	#55
Kicked and recommended!	Enthusiast	Oct 2014	#60
fyi--The Koch Attack on Solar Energy	RiverLover	Oct 2014	#62
per unit of energy produced, renewables get 25x subsidies	ctaylors6	Oct 2014	#63
Germany is opening 10.7 Gigawatts of new coal plants	Progressive dog	Oct 2014	#64
i installed solar at the begining of september	rdking647	Oct 2014	#69
kicl	samsingh	Oct 2014	#70
Ain't goin' nowhere if the Carlyle Group doesn't make a profit from it.	WinkyDink	Oct 2014	#73
90 billion not enough?	maced666	Oct 2014	#77

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