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Ms. Toad

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94. If you read my post, it is very clear that is not what I am suggesting.

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:38 PM

Oct 2014

As to those working with someone with Ebola - the number should be limited to as few individuals as possible - and during the shifts when they are working with an Ebola patient they should not be assigned to work with any other patients, and there should be sterilizing facilities that they leave through at the end of each shift to make sure they do not carry the virus out of the hospital on their skin or clothing.

After their last contact with the patient with Ebola, they should begin the 21 day supervised monitoring period. At the first sign of any symptoms (including fatigue) they should self-quarantine - which should be externally enforced if they are not cooperative. If they fail to self-monitor (by not reporting daily temp & symptoms - or by not being able to be located by people doing spot checks. That is now Nigeria went from being a country with Ebola, to being declared Ebola free.

Rather than addressing the serious concerns and reasonable suggestions which balance public health risks against unreasonable restrictions - restrictions imposed in a country which has successfully transitioned from having Ebola to one which no longer does, you (and many others) are dismissing the reality that scientists and doctors do not make the absolute assertions you are making about there being zero risk during the periods when 2 of the 3 diagnosed health care workers first started experiencing symptoms later confirmed to be the beginning of Ebola.

There is a risk, and in addressing it we need to respect the reality that Ebola has a greater than 50% fatality rate, and is not like any other disease we have previously encountered.

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Why can't these health care workers who've been exposed to Ebola just wait 21 days? [View all] woolldog Oct 2014 OP

can you take a 21 day unpaid vacation with no flush toilet and no shower, from life? seabeyond Oct 2014 #1

MSF workers get full salary for the 21 days. nt B2G Oct 2014 #6

Cuomo said they would pay this for anyone whose employer didn't pay. Every governor should do this. pnwmom Oct 2014 #8

as i said. i am fiscally ok, and i still could not walk away from life for 21 days. i hope they get seabeyond Oct 2014 #10

We ARE talking of extraordinary circumstances. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #20

The math does not support your claim. notrightatall Oct 2014 #29

no. nothing extraordinary. nothing. automatic 21 day isolation is pure hysteria. seabeyond Oct 2014 #32

Exactly. 100% purestrain wild and woolly hysteria. Nothing more. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #51

woolly hysteria? woolldog Oct 2014 #53

Actually it wasn't, but seeing your name on the screen may have predisposed me to AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #58

.... woolldog Oct 2014 #133

Really? Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #60

Minimal risk cannot magically turn into a pandemic. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #62

I did not suggest that individual cases would magically turn into a pandemic. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #89

Are you advocating all medical staff and supporting roles dealing with Ebola be isolated 21 days? seabeyond Oct 2014 #80

If you read my post, it is very clear that is not what I am suggesting. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #94

so, at the end of a shift, we put our u.s. workers on a 21 day time out? paid of course. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #99

That is not even close to what I said. In either post. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #115

why should u.s. medical worker merely get monitoring, yet the demand for oversea workers be isolated seabeyond Oct 2014 #120

Where did I demand that overseas workers be isolated? n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #127

i thought that had been your position all the way thru this. you are not siding with governors seabeyond Oct 2014 #129

I want monitoring of temperature and other symptoms Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #135

i go with cdc recommendation of low grade fever. otherwise we agree. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #137

Since you accept the CDC's recommendation, we agree completely. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #162

we HAVE to do reasonable. we just have to, to be successful. bottom line. in ALL crisis. fatigued ? seabeyond Oct 2014 #190

You said you agreed with the CDC. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #191

you and i both get what i am saying. we disagree. but, not playing fuckin game, with people i seabeyond Oct 2014 #193

Actually, no. You said that you would go with the CDC guidelines. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #204

extraordinary in the minds of fox viewers and fear-mongers. MattBaggins Oct 2014 #160

LOL, you have not thought 10 minutes about the impact! nt Logical Oct 2014 #161

That's niceof him. The governor of GA says our state won't. Iris Oct 2014 #225

Gov 21 day Ins would solve problem Skink Oct 2014 #95

$ is not the only demand wth a persons life. some of us have obligations and responsibilities that seabeyond Oct 2014 #97

Many of these health workers are returning home from volunteering for months at a time in Africa woolldog Oct 2014 #101

are we locking up our medical staff, supportive roles here in the u.s. too? or just... those people? seabeyond Oct 2014 #102

The woman in Maine was coming back from Africa. woolldog Oct 2014 #104

Ya, so? Why just them? Why not u.s. Staff working on Ebola? Is Africa Ebola more scary than u.s. Ebo seabeyond Oct 2014 #108

There's so much wrong with your post I'm flabbergasted riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #113

Sorry about the death in your family. woolldog Oct 2014 #136

I have to agree with this, too MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #145

I don't know. Since I've been unemployed (by choice), there are weeks I hardly TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #2

How about because they aren't sick? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #3

How about the 21 days is TO SEE IF THEY WILL SHOW SYMPTOMS. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #21

How about if they show symptoms they get help since they are not contagious before then? uppityperson Oct 2014 #23

Of course they couldn't possibly be contagious even for a few hours before... polichick Oct 2014 #35

the disease is caught when viral load is large. like, the person is DYING. seabeyond Oct 2014 #43

And yet several medical workers aren't sure how they were infected... polichick Oct 2014 #48

they KNOW they got it attening DYING ebola victims. specifically how and when may be up in the air. seabeyond Oct 2014 #57

that's not true. Brantley is certain he didn't get it at the hospital ecstatic Oct 2014 #167

I'm not disagreeing with you, but maybe you can answer something for me: why are they unable to Stardust Oct 2014 #164

Contagious, not detect. They do have an Ebola test that can detect ebola seabeyond Oct 2014 #165

I commend your tenacity. MoonchildCA Oct 2014 #166

According to MSF's protocols, which CDC has based theirs on, negligible threat.... uppityperson Oct 2014 #50

Not only that but they have some pretty unique funeral rituals that has spread the disease there too VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #86

Did he puke and shit all over everything and everyone he came in contact with? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #77

CDC places all those people in category 4. NO risk. Amazing isn't it? Bt seabeyond Oct 2014 #84

Oh, it's only SOME bodily fluids - only, as you say, puke and shit... polichick Oct 2014 #87

You are intentionally being obtuse notadmblnd Oct 2014 #106

And even his girlfriend does not appear to be sick. cwydro Oct 2014 #91

He didn't appear sick either - until he did. It's not "panic" - it's support... polichick Oct 2014 #92

THEY AREN'T CONTAGIOUS UNLESS THEY SHOW SYMPTOMS! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #45

Think about spending the next 21 days on house arrest Warpy Oct 2014 #4

Three weeks at home is CRUEL?! Well, let's just tear down the prisons now! WinkyDink Oct 2014 #22

Due process. Who else should be detained without being a threat and without due process? uppityperson Oct 2014 #24

Due Process has nothing to do with it treestar Oct 2014 #154

no threat, no catastrophy, only manufactured hysteria Sheepshank Oct 2014 #205

I'm sorry you're frightened. Warpy Oct 2014 #41

I'm sorry you have poor reading comprehension. I'm not frightened in the least. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #68

You're not frightened in the least? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #144

You try to put me in a box without due process, based on fear rather than facts, and we AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #61

Oh, RILLY? The federal govt and CDC has an answer for that: WinkyDink Oct 2014 #73

She's well past port of entry. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #110

Did you seriously just say "prison is better"????? I bet you've never been adigal Oct 2014 #33

Yeah, I have, to visit Warpy Oct 2014 #42

That's the craziest thing I've heard on a day when I've heard a lot of crazy things! Nt adigal Oct 2014 #49

IKR? lol. nt laundry_queen Oct 2014 #67

They can talk on the phone, skype woolldog Oct 2014 #70

People used to go through quarantines in the era before telephones, Skype, TV, pnwmom Nov 2014 #236

If YOU had a practice, or a job where you only get so many days off, napi21 Oct 2014 #5

That's what I thought Bettie Oct 2014 #30

Because that worked so well with Vinson and Spencer Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #66

The level of hysteria about this is staggering Bettie Oct 2014 #98

I agree the level od hysteria IS INSANE! napi21 Oct 2014 #105

I am amazed Bettie Oct 2014 #116

The labeling of alternate opinions as "hysteria" is what I find staggering. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #118

It's interesting - they call it panic, hysteria, etc... polichick Oct 2014 #126

you are advocating locking up healthy people and you do not see the hysteria in that? seabeyond Oct 2014 #130

Quarantine for those who have cared for Ebola patients... polichick Oct 2014 #134

then you feel the same for the U.S. medical staff and supportive roles? nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #139

Considering what happened in Dallas, might not be a bad idea. polichick Oct 2014 #140

if you advocate for one, you MUST advocate the other. so, do we isolate after every shift? seabeyond Oct 2014 #142

MUST I? Too funny... polichick Oct 2014 #143

health has made the call. its the greedy fearmongering state officials ignoring the health official seabeyond Oct 2014 #147

The CDC in Maine has recommended the 21-day quarantine... polichick Oct 2014 #152

We don�t know a lot about this virus seabeyond Oct 2014 #156

in all your reason, are you advocating locking up the medical staff in the u.s. caring for ebola seabeyond Oct 2014 #131

I think you're mistaking frustration for panic mythology Oct 2014 #157

It's hysteria. kcr Oct 2014 #210

What if it were a more contagious disease? treestar Oct 2014 #155

It's NOT! You're inserting a straw man. napi21 Oct 2014 #215

my question was a hypothetical treestar Oct 2014 #231

It does seem arrogant, and selfish. polichick Oct 2014 #7

ah, those arrogant and selfish volunteer health workers jberryhill Oct 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Oct 2014 #19

No. Fucking. Need. To. morningfog Oct 2014 #9

Because, science. demmiblue Oct 2014 #11

Did you know they have been coming back for the last 5 months with nary a word until MrDuncan? uppityperson Oct 2014 #12

....but, but, but .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #85

What's the big deal about a prayer in school... notrightatall Oct 2014 #13

they are not independently wealthy jberryhill Oct 2014 #14

For all the people talking about returning to jobs, no health care setting TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #15

And what does that have to do with being detained at home, not being able to go out? uppityperson Oct 2014 #25

For one thing she has not been exposed to anything. These medical workers are RGinNJ Oct 2014 #17

Er...you must have missed all the previous health care workers who don't TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #18

Dr. Spencer didn't think he was exposed either. LisaL Oct 2014 #38

Personally I find it deeply troubling that so many people view a public health issue... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #26

I have been disturbed by this conversation here and on dailykos adigal Oct 2014 #28

Agreed. laundry_queen Oct 2014 #71

Yes, MEAN. I forgot MEAN adigal Oct 2014 #76

Well said. polichick Oct 2014 #31

As someone pointed out upthread, they have been coming back for five months with no infections Fumesucker Oct 2014 #34

As I am pointing out, that's not true. LisaL Oct 2014 #36

Dr Spencer is one HCW out of many who have been returning trouble free for months riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #74

Three months ago the USA wasn't taking it seriously. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #47

the disease is spreading exponentially in West Africa ecstatic Oct 2014 #169

Science has shown that they are not infectious before showing symptoms. Yes, detain those who ARE uppityperson Oct 2014 #37

You clearly don't understand what quarantine is Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #52

And Dr Spencer was not under quarantine. He was under self monitoring. uppityperson Oct 2014 #56

The American Bar Association would disagree. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #55

It is, but only up to a point. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #64

I wonder how many of them detest the anti-vaxxer crowd? ecstatic Oct 2014 #168

This nurse got a taste of publicity and loved it! Now she's challenging Maine adigal Oct 2014 #27

Seriously, how dare anyone protest being held without due process, without being a threat!!!11111 uppityperson Oct 2014 #40

Give me an ounce of pot and I would stay quarantined for a month. . B Calm Oct 2014 #39

ryan white. pure hysteria, not scientifically or factually needed. self monitoring 100% SUCCESSFUL seabeyond Oct 2014 #44

Exactly. I am disheartened at all this unreasoning fear The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #59

Had an Ebola scare here in my city. Hospital cleared out and sent to other hospital. seabeyond Oct 2014 #83

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #79

Can you go that long without a paycheck? SteveG Oct 2014 #45

I mean, woolldog Oct 2014 #63

A lot of states won't act like NY SteveG Oct 2014 #88

Wow, I thought that was sarcasm at first. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #54

Maybe she just has no patience with grandstanding politicians? Brigid Oct 2014 #65

Or ... you stay inside until its all over. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #69

How about 2 negative MFM008 Oct 2014 #72

I don't know; I don't know her. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #75

Yep, those two negative tests would be slightly important too. Brigid Oct 2014 #78

If she had a positive blood test she would be in hospital being treated. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #124

Lets shutdown all the hospitals treating Ebola patients for 21 days. Downwinder Oct 2014 #81

Some people value themselves more than public health. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #82

I think what you mean is that it isn't an inconvenience to you. Kalidurga Oct 2014 #93

No, it isn't an inconvenience to anyone. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #96

No it isn't about being reasonably suspicious Kalidurga Oct 2014 #103

Those tests only prove... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #114

1 word, Science. onecaliberal Oct 2014 #90

She would be paid. 840high Oct 2014 #100

WHAT? You actually thnk the scardy-cats are going to believe in science? napi21 Oct 2014 #109

That's what struck me Expat in Korea Oct 2014 #173

I know it's not a popular position here, but I agree with you. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #107

U.s. Medical team dealing with Ebola. Quarantine with pay 21 days. Your call, lock them up in hospit seabeyond Oct 2014 #112

It's not my call, and that's not a policy that anyone is contemplating. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #117

why? why is it not contemplated? that merely means we are ignorant hypocrites. if it is so dire seabeyond Oct 2014 #121

well, make your case to the policy makers, not to me. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #125

you argue medical staff from abroad should be locked up and no opinion about u.s. worker. seabeyond Oct 2014 #128

Why don't all the people bitching and moaning about healthcare workers volunteering their vacations magical thyme Oct 2014 #111

Wow! That's the first 0-7 jury I've ever seen! Suich Oct 2014 #163

hmmmm....it's still here, so I guess I survived... magical thyme Oct 2014 #187

Youngsters are always impatient Chuuku Davis Oct 2014 #119

"Youngster?" Brigid Oct 2014 #122

With the maturity, unfortunately, of a teenager. TM99 Oct 2014 #227

Something my dad always used to say: Brigid Oct 2014 #233

FEARBOLA!! nt Adrahil Oct 2014 #123

I am sooo stealing that! Brigid Oct 2014 #195

Spreads on the internet ... symptoms include ... JoePhilly Oct 2014 #206

Because they're saints customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #132

Unless somebody is symptomatic, they are not contagious. And just because the Daily Mail claims, magical thyme Oct 2014 #138

Yeah, yeah, medical 'facts' customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #146

that's "the public's" problem magical thyme Oct 2014 #149

It's our problem, too customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #151

The President should panic more!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #207

You believe God gave Dr Spencer ebola for tabloid rumored lying? uppityperson Oct 2014 #148

Didn't the use of the term customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #150

They are highly trained, highly motivated, high principled professionals magical thyme Oct 2014 #153

I haven't the slightest doubt customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #158

Even if science proves you wrong, "you just gotta do the right thing"? uppityperson Oct 2014 #172

Yeah, that's what I said customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #174

Quarantines cannot be legally based on psychology magical thyme Oct 2014 #186

We're about to see what happens customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #216

the fears of the many, irrational though they may be, outweigh the rights of the one? uppityperson Oct 2014 #221

they have yet to obtain their court order magical thyme Oct 2014 #229

It seems as though I was wrong customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #234

yup. the court order came today and she's back to what she was already doing magical thyme Nov 2014 #235

Continue what she was doing, no need to isolate her or restrict her movements. uppityperson Nov 2014 #237

That was the reasoning behind burning witches & casting out demons. Demit Oct 2014 #189

Irrational comparison customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #217

In both cases you are placating ignorance. Demit Oct 2014 #224

Accepting, rather that denying its existence customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #228

Are you saying don't do what is needed to stop the spread, instead what is needed to stop the fear? uppityperson Oct 2014 #211

What I'm saying is customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #218

" A couple weeks of extra time spent inside one's home is not a terrible price to pay for resolution KMOD Oct 2014 #219

Hold someone captive to alleviate the unfounded fears of others? Fail big time. Educate people uppityperson Oct 2014 #220

We'll see what the Maine court does customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #222

WHO IS GOING TO PAY THEIR BILLS? They have already VOLENTEER their time and skills for what diabeticman Oct 2014 #141

No hospital in their right mind would allow a nurse or doctor boston bean Oct 2014 #175

Aren't you the one who vociferously supported quarantining AFRICA? Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #178

Africa, no. boston bean Oct 2014 #181

ya you did. Some fool demanded exactly that and you supported it. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #197

I did? boston bean Oct 2014 #201

NO, it is not! and some of these health care workers have gone months ago and come back and diabeticman Oct 2014 #182

They don't go directly back to work until the 21 days are up. boston bean Oct 2014 #183

I agree KMOD Oct 2014 #184

When the storm hit the Phillipines a few years back MattBaggins Oct 2014 #159

Something to be considered BellaKos Oct 2014 #170

Self monitor vs quarantine/isolate/contain uppityperson Oct 2014 #171

Snark? BellaKos Oct 2014 #209

Excellent! Having had a studio/shop at one time I thought of the snappyturtle Oct 2014 #185

In all respect, we quarantined astronauts when they returned from the moon liberal N proud Oct 2014 #176

...who knew that was part of the job requirements. brooklynite Oct 2014 #202

I remember that. Brigid Oct 2014 #230

How else should we punish people who risk their lives to stop this disease? Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #177

gee, why would anyone object to going to prison for 3 weeks for no good reason? unblock Oct 2014 #179

Your paranoid foolishness is embarrassing. 99Forever Oct 2014 #180

+1 Sheepshank Oct 2014 #208

It is science! longship Oct 2014 #188

Please define exposed. dilby Oct 2014 #192

Because there is no compelling reason to do that? redgreenandblue Oct 2014 #194

The price does indeed, seem much smaller when we ask others to pay it. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #196

I can't imagine living in such dread and fear all the time. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #198

A tent with no running water for 21 days gollygee Oct 2014 #199

Get a flu shot, everyone gollygee Oct 2014 #200

Done. woolldog Oct 2014 #212

Yay gollygee Oct 2014 #213

The reason for the quarantine is to please upaloopa Oct 2014 #203

LOL. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #214

Yes! They should sit down an shut up! KMOD Oct 2014 #223

Yes, if anything characterizes a health care worker who risks his or her own life for ebola patients merrily Oct 2014 #226

Which health care workers? Only those returning from Africa? Or all the health care workers who jwirr Oct 2014 #232

The flu is easier to catch and kills 20,000 in US per year Hamlette Nov 2014 #238