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branford

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16. The provision is of little value without the implementing regulations
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:43 PM
Oct 2014

and other relevant provisions, and more importantly, applicable legal decisions.

Note also that quarantine provisions are largely the province of state law. If Ms. Hilcox wishes to challenge her confinement, her avenues include both constitutional concerns and whether the state is properly complying with state law. Your citation, however, appears to concern CDC quarantine authority, and since in this instance only Maine is seeking the quarantine, the provisions, at best, have only minor persuasive authority.

The matter is simply far more complicated than many suggest, its resolution will likely occur in the appellate courts, if not the Supreme Court, and given that the 21 day incubation and quarantine period is rapidly coming to its conclusion, the matter might be rendered moot well before any final decision.

As a general matter, and as most trial attorneys would readily concede, courts are generally very deferential to state decisions in matters of public health. Comparisons to criminal matters and process is not appropriate. In light of the fact that the quarantine period is only three weeks, and in the case of Ms. Hilcox, in her own home, the matter is very public with around 80% supporting the quarantine, and Ms. Hilcox will not suffer any permanent harm from the quarantine, I would expect the typical deference to be quite apparent. Moreover, since courts generally maintain the status quo (i.e., quarantine) pending their final decisions, including appeals, the quarantine period may often end before substantive action (and it may provide many courts with a means to punt on rendering a sensitive opinion that could be reversed on appeal).

I would also note that Ms. Hilcox can possibly win the battle, and lose the proverbial war. She is very unpopular, and her attitude has not endeared her to many. Even if she wins, her reputation in her community is probably irreparably damaged. She's becoming the face of Ebola in the USA, and she doesn't even appear to have the disease. If she loses, she may end-up back in the tent quarantine due to her expressed unwillingness to comply with the quarantine conditions, and regardless of a win or loss, the public spectacle of an unpopular legal challenge will terribly injure the credibility and public trust in these aid workers. Ms. Hilcox appears to view herself and those like her as heroes. The public, however, is rapidly beginning to view them as selfish villains.

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Ultimately, no they cannot. She will win this battle. morningfog Oct 2014 #1
I hope so malaise Oct 2014 #2
You keep on repeatedly stating that it's clear she'll win in court, but that does not make it so. branford Oct 2014 #5
On due process and equal protection, she'll win. morningfog Oct 2014 #8
Im not a lawyer, but what about this Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #11
What part of 'with' do I not understand? GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #13
The provision is of little value without the implementing regulations branford Oct 2014 #16
That's why Kaci Hickox is such a brave woman Warpy Oct 2014 #3
Exactly! Thank you for this. Your post is better worded than my similar one earlier. uppityperson Oct 2014 #4
Same crap rational used to confine Japanese citizens in WWII. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #6
Not really, and if you recall, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the internment. branford Oct 2014 #17
The court at the time upheld the internment. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #30
You may want to have a look at this little gem Skidmore Oct 2014 #7
Life as we knew it malaise Oct 2014 #10
Good god. woo me with science Oct 2014 #27
They'll haul your ass off while saying, "You look a little peaked this morning." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #9
Reminds me of when the Soviets CanonRay Oct 2014 #12
That's what "quarantine" is. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #14
How close are we to "You look African, so you and your family are quarantined." nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #15
Not even remotely close, and the hyperbole is unhelpful to the discussion. branford Oct 2014 #19
Ebola does not care but the public does. Quick search gives me these incidents.... uppityperson Oct 2014 #22
Anecdotes are not data or proof of pervasive trends. branford Oct 2014 #23
Since Obama is from Kenya, we've already crossed that line a looooonnnngggg time ago!!! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #29
This is how we have the NSA spying on us now. cwydro Oct 2014 #18
my god. we fuckin went thru this stupid with tsa nad patriot. we were fcukin cowards. i stopped seabeyond Oct 2014 #20
Since when do public health officials not have the right to quarantine? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #21
they have a right to quarantine, but it must be based on medical science, not political polls magical thyme Oct 2014 #24
I don't see anybody on DU really looking into the laws treestar Oct 2014 #25
I did, and the science doesn't. magical thyme Oct 2014 #34
So you didn't feel like looking at the laws treestar Oct 2014 #35
I relied on a civil rights lawyer, who did look at the laws. magical thyme Oct 2014 #36
Fear is the fastest way to lose freedom... vicdoc Oct 2014 #26
Good post malaise Oct 2014 #31
We are nothing more than a society that answers TO, works FOR, and gets punished BY a government. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #28
So you are wishing that they would violate an entirely different set of rights... Oktober Oct 2014 #32
Do I sense a panic of gov't taking away freedoms?? boston bean Oct 2014 #33
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