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LostInAnomie

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114. Those tests only prove...

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:13 PM

Oct 2014

... that she isn't producing antibodies yet, not that she doesn't have the disease. So the concern is still warrented. As long as there is a reasonable suspicion, she should stay in quarantine.

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Why can't these health care workers who've been exposed to Ebola just wait 21 days? [View all] woolldog Oct 2014 OP

can you take a 21 day unpaid vacation with no flush toilet and no shower, from life? seabeyond Oct 2014 #1

MSF workers get full salary for the 21 days. nt B2G Oct 2014 #6

Cuomo said they would pay this for anyone whose employer didn't pay. Every governor should do this. pnwmom Oct 2014 #8

as i said. i am fiscally ok, and i still could not walk away from life for 21 days. i hope they get seabeyond Oct 2014 #10

We ARE talking of extraordinary circumstances. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #20

The math does not support your claim. notrightatall Oct 2014 #29

no. nothing extraordinary. nothing. automatic 21 day isolation is pure hysteria. seabeyond Oct 2014 #32

Exactly. 100% purestrain wild and woolly hysteria. Nothing more. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #51

woolly hysteria? woolldog Oct 2014 #53

Actually it wasn't, but seeing your name on the screen may have predisposed me to AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #58

.... woolldog Oct 2014 #133

Really? Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #60

Minimal risk cannot magically turn into a pandemic. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #62

I did not suggest that individual cases would magically turn into a pandemic. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #89

Are you advocating all medical staff and supporting roles dealing with Ebola be isolated 21 days? seabeyond Oct 2014 #80

If you read my post, it is very clear that is not what I am suggesting. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #94

so, at the end of a shift, we put our u.s. workers on a 21 day time out? paid of course. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #99

That is not even close to what I said. In either post. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #115

why should u.s. medical worker merely get monitoring, yet the demand for oversea workers be isolated seabeyond Oct 2014 #120

Where did I demand that overseas workers be isolated? n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #127

i thought that had been your position all the way thru this. you are not siding with governors seabeyond Oct 2014 #129

I want monitoring of temperature and other symptoms Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #135

i go with cdc recommendation of low grade fever. otherwise we agree. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #137

Since you accept the CDC's recommendation, we agree completely. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #162

we HAVE to do reasonable. we just have to, to be successful. bottom line. in ALL crisis. fatigued ? seabeyond Oct 2014 #190

You said you agreed with the CDC. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #191

you and i both get what i am saying. we disagree. but, not playing fuckin game, with people i seabeyond Oct 2014 #193

Actually, no. You said that you would go with the CDC guidelines. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #204

extraordinary in the minds of fox viewers and fear-mongers. MattBaggins Oct 2014 #160

LOL, you have not thought 10 minutes about the impact! nt Logical Oct 2014 #161

That's niceof him. The governor of GA says our state won't. Iris Oct 2014 #225

Gov 21 day Ins would solve problem Skink Oct 2014 #95

$ is not the only demand wth a persons life. some of us have obligations and responsibilities that seabeyond Oct 2014 #97

Many of these health workers are returning home from volunteering for months at a time in Africa woolldog Oct 2014 #101

are we locking up our medical staff, supportive roles here in the u.s. too? or just... those people? seabeyond Oct 2014 #102

The woman in Maine was coming back from Africa. woolldog Oct 2014 #104

Ya, so? Why just them? Why not u.s. Staff working on Ebola? Is Africa Ebola more scary than u.s. Ebo seabeyond Oct 2014 #108

There's so much wrong with your post I'm flabbergasted riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #113

Sorry about the death in your family. woolldog Oct 2014 #136

I have to agree with this, too MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #145

I don't know. Since I've been unemployed (by choice), there are weeks I hardly TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #2

How about because they aren't sick? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #3

How about the 21 days is TO SEE IF THEY WILL SHOW SYMPTOMS. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #21

How about if they show symptoms they get help since they are not contagious before then? uppityperson Oct 2014 #23

Of course they couldn't possibly be contagious even for a few hours before... polichick Oct 2014 #35

the disease is caught when viral load is large. like, the person is DYING. seabeyond Oct 2014 #43

And yet several medical workers aren't sure how they were infected... polichick Oct 2014 #48

they KNOW they got it attening DYING ebola victims. specifically how and when may be up in the air. seabeyond Oct 2014 #57

that's not true. Brantley is certain he didn't get it at the hospital ecstatic Oct 2014 #167

I'm not disagreeing with you, but maybe you can answer something for me: why are they unable to Stardust Oct 2014 #164

Contagious, not detect. They do have an Ebola test that can detect ebola seabeyond Oct 2014 #165

I commend your tenacity. MoonchildCA Oct 2014 #166

According to MSF's protocols, which CDC has based theirs on, negligible threat.... uppityperson Oct 2014 #50

Not only that but they have some pretty unique funeral rituals that has spread the disease there too VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #86

Did he puke and shit all over everything and everyone he came in contact with? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #77

CDC places all those people in category 4. NO risk. Amazing isn't it? Bt seabeyond Oct 2014 #84

Oh, it's only SOME bodily fluids - only, as you say, puke and shit... polichick Oct 2014 #87

You are intentionally being obtuse notadmblnd Oct 2014 #106

And even his girlfriend does not appear to be sick. cwydro Oct 2014 #91

He didn't appear sick either - until he did. It's not "panic" - it's support... polichick Oct 2014 #92

THEY AREN'T CONTAGIOUS UNLESS THEY SHOW SYMPTOMS! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #45

Think about spending the next 21 days on house arrest Warpy Oct 2014 #4

Three weeks at home is CRUEL?! Well, let's just tear down the prisons now! WinkyDink Oct 2014 #22

Due process. Who else should be detained without being a threat and without due process? uppityperson Oct 2014 #24

Due Process has nothing to do with it treestar Oct 2014 #154

no threat, no catastrophy, only manufactured hysteria Sheepshank Oct 2014 #205

I'm sorry you're frightened. Warpy Oct 2014 #41

I'm sorry you have poor reading comprehension. I'm not frightened in the least. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #68

You're not frightened in the least? notadmblnd Oct 2014 #144

You try to put me in a box without due process, based on fear rather than facts, and we AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #61

Oh, RILLY? The federal govt and CDC has an answer for that: WinkyDink Oct 2014 #73

She's well past port of entry. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #110

Did you seriously just say "prison is better"????? I bet you've never been adigal Oct 2014 #33

Yeah, I have, to visit Warpy Oct 2014 #42

That's the craziest thing I've heard on a day when I've heard a lot of crazy things! Nt adigal Oct 2014 #49

IKR? lol. nt laundry_queen Oct 2014 #67

They can talk on the phone, skype woolldog Oct 2014 #70

People used to go through quarantines in the era before telephones, Skype, TV, pnwmom Nov 2014 #236

If YOU had a practice, or a job where you only get so many days off, napi21 Oct 2014 #5

That's what I thought Bettie Oct 2014 #30

Because that worked so well with Vinson and Spencer Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #66

The level of hysteria about this is staggering Bettie Oct 2014 #98

I agree the level od hysteria IS INSANE! napi21 Oct 2014 #105

I am amazed Bettie Oct 2014 #116

The labeling of alternate opinions as "hysteria" is what I find staggering. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #118

It's interesting - they call it panic, hysteria, etc... polichick Oct 2014 #126

you are advocating locking up healthy people and you do not see the hysteria in that? seabeyond Oct 2014 #130

Quarantine for those who have cared for Ebola patients... polichick Oct 2014 #134

then you feel the same for the U.S. medical staff and supportive roles? nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #139

Considering what happened in Dallas, might not be a bad idea. polichick Oct 2014 #140

if you advocate for one, you MUST advocate the other. so, do we isolate after every shift? seabeyond Oct 2014 #142

MUST I? Too funny... polichick Oct 2014 #143

health has made the call. its the greedy fearmongering state officials ignoring the health official seabeyond Oct 2014 #147

The CDC in Maine has recommended the 21-day quarantine... polichick Oct 2014 #152

We don�t know a lot about this virus seabeyond Oct 2014 #156

in all your reason, are you advocating locking up the medical staff in the u.s. caring for ebola seabeyond Oct 2014 #131

I think you're mistaking frustration for panic mythology Oct 2014 #157

It's hysteria. kcr Oct 2014 #210

What if it were a more contagious disease? treestar Oct 2014 #155

It's NOT! You're inserting a straw man. napi21 Oct 2014 #215

my question was a hypothetical treestar Oct 2014 #231

It does seem arrogant, and selfish. polichick Oct 2014 #7

ah, those arrogant and selfish volunteer health workers jberryhill Oct 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Oct 2014 #19

No. Fucking. Need. To. morningfog Oct 2014 #9

Because, science. demmiblue Oct 2014 #11

Did you know they have been coming back for the last 5 months with nary a word until MrDuncan? uppityperson Oct 2014 #12

....but, but, but .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #85

What's the big deal about a prayer in school... notrightatall Oct 2014 #13

they are not independently wealthy jberryhill Oct 2014 #14

For all the people talking about returning to jobs, no health care setting TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #15

And what does that have to do with being detained at home, not being able to go out? uppityperson Oct 2014 #25

For one thing she has not been exposed to anything. These medical workers are RGinNJ Oct 2014 #17

Er...you must have missed all the previous health care workers who don't TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #18

Dr. Spencer didn't think he was exposed either. LisaL Oct 2014 #38

Personally I find it deeply troubling that so many people view a public health issue... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #26

I have been disturbed by this conversation here and on dailykos adigal Oct 2014 #28

Agreed. laundry_queen Oct 2014 #71

Yes, MEAN. I forgot MEAN adigal Oct 2014 #76

Well said. polichick Oct 2014 #31

As someone pointed out upthread, they have been coming back for five months with no infections Fumesucker Oct 2014 #34

As I am pointing out, that's not true. LisaL Oct 2014 #36

Dr Spencer is one HCW out of many who have been returning trouble free for months riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #74

Three months ago the USA wasn't taking it seriously. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #47

the disease is spreading exponentially in West Africa ecstatic Oct 2014 #169

Science has shown that they are not infectious before showing symptoms. Yes, detain those who ARE uppityperson Oct 2014 #37

You clearly don't understand what quarantine is Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #52

And Dr Spencer was not under quarantine. He was under self monitoring. uppityperson Oct 2014 #56

The American Bar Association would disagree. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #55

It is, but only up to a point. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #64

I wonder how many of them detest the anti-vaxxer crowd? ecstatic Oct 2014 #168

This nurse got a taste of publicity and loved it! Now she's challenging Maine adigal Oct 2014 #27

Seriously, how dare anyone protest being held without due process, without being a threat!!!11111 uppityperson Oct 2014 #40

Give me an ounce of pot and I would stay quarantined for a month. . B Calm Oct 2014 #39

ryan white. pure hysteria, not scientifically or factually needed. self monitoring 100% SUCCESSFUL seabeyond Oct 2014 #44

Exactly. I am disheartened at all this unreasoning fear The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #59

Had an Ebola scare here in my city. Hospital cleared out and sent to other hospital. seabeyond Oct 2014 #83

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #79

Can you go that long without a paycheck? SteveG Oct 2014 #45

I mean, woolldog Oct 2014 #63

A lot of states won't act like NY SteveG Oct 2014 #88

Wow, I thought that was sarcasm at first. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #54

Maybe she just has no patience with grandstanding politicians? Brigid Oct 2014 #65

Or ... you stay inside until its all over. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #69

How about 2 negative MFM008 Oct 2014 #72

I don't know; I don't know her. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #75

Yep, those two negative tests would be slightly important too. Brigid Oct 2014 #78

If she had a positive blood test she would be in hospital being treated. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #124

Lets shutdown all the hospitals treating Ebola patients for 21 days. Downwinder Oct 2014 #81

Some people value themselves more than public health. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #82

I think what you mean is that it isn't an inconvenience to you. Kalidurga Oct 2014 #93

No, it isn't an inconvenience to anyone. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #96

No it isn't about being reasonably suspicious Kalidurga Oct 2014 #103

Those tests only prove... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #114

1 word, Science. onecaliberal Oct 2014 #90

She would be paid. 840high Oct 2014 #100

WHAT? You actually thnk the scardy-cats are going to believe in science? napi21 Oct 2014 #109

That's what struck me Expat in Korea Oct 2014 #173

I know it's not a popular position here, but I agree with you. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #107

U.s. Medical team dealing with Ebola. Quarantine with pay 21 days. Your call, lock them up in hospit seabeyond Oct 2014 #112

It's not my call, and that's not a policy that anyone is contemplating. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #117

why? why is it not contemplated? that merely means we are ignorant hypocrites. if it is so dire seabeyond Oct 2014 #121

well, make your case to the policy makers, not to me. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #125

you argue medical staff from abroad should be locked up and no opinion about u.s. worker. seabeyond Oct 2014 #128

Why don't all the people bitching and moaning about healthcare workers volunteering their vacations magical thyme Oct 2014 #111

Wow! That's the first 0-7 jury I've ever seen! Suich Oct 2014 #163

hmmmm....it's still here, so I guess I survived... magical thyme Oct 2014 #187

Youngsters are always impatient Chuuku Davis Oct 2014 #119

"Youngster?" Brigid Oct 2014 #122

With the maturity, unfortunately, of a teenager. TM99 Oct 2014 #227

Something my dad always used to say: Brigid Oct 2014 #233

FEARBOLA!! nt Adrahil Oct 2014 #123

I am sooo stealing that! Brigid Oct 2014 #195

Spreads on the internet ... symptoms include ... JoePhilly Oct 2014 #206

Because they're saints customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #132

Unless somebody is symptomatic, they are not contagious. And just because the Daily Mail claims, magical thyme Oct 2014 #138

Yeah, yeah, medical 'facts' customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #146

that's "the public's" problem magical thyme Oct 2014 #149

It's our problem, too customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #151

The President should panic more!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #207

You believe God gave Dr Spencer ebola for tabloid rumored lying? uppityperson Oct 2014 #148

Didn't the use of the term customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #150

They are highly trained, highly motivated, high principled professionals magical thyme Oct 2014 #153

I haven't the slightest doubt customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #158

Even if science proves you wrong, "you just gotta do the right thing"? uppityperson Oct 2014 #172

Yeah, that's what I said customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #174

Quarantines cannot be legally based on psychology magical thyme Oct 2014 #186

We're about to see what happens customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #216

the fears of the many, irrational though they may be, outweigh the rights of the one? uppityperson Oct 2014 #221

they have yet to obtain their court order magical thyme Oct 2014 #229

It seems as though I was wrong customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #234

yup. the court order came today and she's back to what she was already doing magical thyme Nov 2014 #235

Continue what she was doing, no need to isolate her or restrict her movements. uppityperson Nov 2014 #237

That was the reasoning behind burning witches & casting out demons. Demit Oct 2014 #189

Irrational comparison customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #217

In both cases you are placating ignorance. Demit Oct 2014 #224

Accepting, rather that denying its existence customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #228

Are you saying don't do what is needed to stop the spread, instead what is needed to stop the fear? uppityperson Oct 2014 #211

What I'm saying is customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #218

" A couple weeks of extra time spent inside one's home is not a terrible price to pay for resolution KMOD Oct 2014 #219

Hold someone captive to alleviate the unfounded fears of others? Fail big time. Educate people uppityperson Oct 2014 #220

We'll see what the Maine court does customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #222

WHO IS GOING TO PAY THEIR BILLS? They have already VOLENTEER their time and skills for what diabeticman Oct 2014 #141

No hospital in their right mind would allow a nurse or doctor boston bean Oct 2014 #175

Aren't you the one who vociferously supported quarantining AFRICA? Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #178

Africa, no. boston bean Oct 2014 #181

ya you did. Some fool demanded exactly that and you supported it. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #197

I did? boston bean Oct 2014 #201

NO, it is not! and some of these health care workers have gone months ago and come back and diabeticman Oct 2014 #182

They don't go directly back to work until the 21 days are up. boston bean Oct 2014 #183

I agree KMOD Oct 2014 #184

When the storm hit the Phillipines a few years back MattBaggins Oct 2014 #159

Something to be considered BellaKos Oct 2014 #170

Self monitor vs quarantine/isolate/contain uppityperson Oct 2014 #171

Snark? BellaKos Oct 2014 #209

Excellent! Having had a studio/shop at one time I thought of the snappyturtle Oct 2014 #185

In all respect, we quarantined astronauts when they returned from the moon liberal N proud Oct 2014 #176

...who knew that was part of the job requirements. brooklynite Oct 2014 #202

I remember that. Brigid Oct 2014 #230

How else should we punish people who risk their lives to stop this disease? Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #177

gee, why would anyone object to going to prison for 3 weeks for no good reason? unblock Oct 2014 #179

Your paranoid foolishness is embarrassing. 99Forever Oct 2014 #180

+1 Sheepshank Oct 2014 #208

It is science! longship Oct 2014 #188

Please define exposed. dilby Oct 2014 #192

Because there is no compelling reason to do that? redgreenandblue Oct 2014 #194

The price does indeed, seem much smaller when we ask others to pay it. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #196

I can't imagine living in such dread and fear all the time. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #198

A tent with no running water for 21 days gollygee Oct 2014 #199

Get a flu shot, everyone gollygee Oct 2014 #200

Done. woolldog Oct 2014 #212

Yay gollygee Oct 2014 #213

The reason for the quarantine is to please upaloopa Oct 2014 #203

LOL. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #214

Yes! They should sit down an shut up! KMOD Oct 2014 #223

Yes, if anything characterizes a health care worker who risks his or her own life for ebola patients merrily Oct 2014 #226

Which health care workers? Only those returning from Africa? Or all the health care workers who jwirr Oct 2014 #232

The flu is easier to catch and kills 20,000 in US per year Hamlette Nov 2014 #238