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Samantha

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131. "Third Way" and "New Dem" are indicative of the former DLC crowd
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:29 AM
Oct 2014

As many know, Bill Clinton was the first candidate sponsored by the DLC to reach the Oval Office. During his term in office, he personally tried to come up with a new term to describe his politics. "Third Way" and "New Dem" both were labels he considered. I read this in one of his bios written a few years ago.

The DLC fell out of favor with many true Dems and eventually had to fold. It has risen from the ashes, and many of the former members use one of these two labels to describe their political approach. We here at DU commonly refer to these particular types of politicians as conservative Democrats. Less generous critics might call them Trojan Horses.

Bill Clinton is of course a gifted politician. During his terms in office, however, he made many compromises with the Republicans in order to pass legislation such as cuts to welfare. While I do appreciate his political gifts to the Democratic party, I do not personally support New Dems or the Third Way. I am a liberal and want to see the party represent the citizens of this Country -- not the corporations and Wall Street.

I arrived here in DU in 2001 hotly complaining about the DLC and its failure to support Al Gore during the 2000 election controversy. In 2004 while rumors were surfacing Gore might seek the Presidency again, that particular group publicly voiced its opposition to another Gore run. An article appeared in The Washington Post along with a sentence with words to the effect that while they (the DLC) did not actually choose the Democratic candidate, it had a lot of influence on who the Party chose, and it would not support a Gore candidacy. Talk about hubris ....

I took a lot of heat for my posts wailing on the DLC in 2001, but eventually those here at DU at that time came to detest the DLC as much as I.

Sam

There's nothing wrong with pragmatic moderation. Ideologues are not superior! 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #1
"pragmatic moderation" Phlem Oct 2014 #2
Lacking principles has proven not to be a winner politically and, truebluegreen Oct 2014 #3
They're only good at pointing out what they don't like but they never have solutions. craigmatic Oct 2014 #4
Insulting a significant share of Democratic voters? Smart! brooklynite Oct 2014 #5
Are we insulting Democratic voters, or Democratic leadership? truebluegreen Oct 2014 #6
Sorry, I'm from the Obama-Bill Clinton wing of the party 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #7
Bill Clinton had plenty of great solutions and a successful presidency. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #8
I agree. That's why Hillary (my candidate) will be our next President 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #9
Buena suerte with that truebluegreen Oct 2014 #10
Extremists? who in the party are extremists? hrmjustin Oct 2014 #11
You don't agree truebluegreen Oct 2014 #12
No, which is why Hillary is way out front already for the nomination. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #13
Oh yeah, that worked out real well for President Goldwater 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #14
Oh I got but, it appears you didn't get me. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #15
And I'll copy that. Phlem Oct 2014 #16
Um, I don't know what the "no" is in response to, truebluegreen Oct 2014 #17
Oh yeah.... truebluegreen Oct 2014 #18
President Hillary Clinton - get used to the sound of that:) 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #19
Insulting a non functional portion of Democratic voters, Phlem Oct 2014 #20
So How do splain Nafta? Phlem Oct 2014 #21
Then why do they campaign as liberals? Marr Oct 2014 #22
both, actually. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #23
Yes, I am a proud Clintonesta! Hillary and Bill! 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #24
Wow! Phlem Oct 2014 #25
I support it as does Presidents Obama, Clinton and future President Hillary. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #26
Hillary is the best qualified person for the job and I agree with her ideas. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #27
Is that really the insinuation? Phlem Oct 2014 #28
Democrat voters overwhelmingly support Democratic leader Hillary to be next Prez 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #29
Well OK then. F everyone else! Phlem Oct 2014 #30
As I said, Buena Suerte! truebluegreen Oct 2014 #31
oh, Phlem Oct 2014 #32
I believe the term you pulled from Urban Dictionary (snicker) was "asininery." wyldwolf Oct 2014 #33
That's right! Just sharing the good news about Hillary - our next President. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #34
WooHoo TTIP, WooHoo!!! Phlem Oct 2014 #35
Beautiful! Phlem Oct 2014 #36
+100 truebluegreen Oct 2014 #37
No, Other candidates are more than free to line up and get their butt's kicked by Hillary 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Oct 2014 #39
So NAFTA Phlem Oct 2014 #40
Centrists made me what I am today. mmonk Oct 2014 #41
You have your view and I have mine However, 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #42
agreed. Phlem Oct 2014 #43
There is somethign wrong with DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #44
Do you agree with TPP? nt TBF Oct 2014 #45
Oh boy ... another one. TBF Oct 2014 #46
!!! Phlem Oct 2014 #47
Excuse me, this thread is not about the Transfer-Pacific Partnership or me 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #48
Oh I see; I get it. If you had been born here you are saying that you would be President. Really? 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #49
what? Phlem Oct 2014 #50
whom is co author of the TTP. Phlem Oct 2014 #51
My candidate is way out front. You're the one who sounds desperate 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #52
So? I'm sure Bernie and the other wannabes will try to make something of that - unsuccessfully so. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #53
Don't Ya Just LOVE The Thread Hi-Jacking ??? WillyT Oct 2014 #54
Still had to be done. Phlem Oct 2014 #55
Activist, losers, my way or the highway BootinUp Oct 2014 #56
The Democratic Party will be the singular dominate force in the US for the next generation or so 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #57
You said it. Phlem Oct 2014 #58
I sure as fuck hope the whole of DU see this particular post in all it's glory!!!!!! Phlem Oct 2014 #59
I hope so too! What, you disagree that the future belongs to the Democratic Party & not the GOP 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #60
Here's Bi-Partisan For Ya... The Last Two Presidents To Fight The Oligarchs Were Roosevelts... WillyT Oct 2014 #61
Sorry, I'm married to a "Wall Street Lawyer"...who contributed to Elizabeth Warren brooklynite Oct 2014 #62
So fix it already. BootinUp Oct 2014 #63
They were all good men - McGovern, Carter, Mondale et al. Unfortunately, they were also losers who 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #64
If You Wouldn't Mind... Generally... How Old Are You ??? WillyT Oct 2014 #65
One Big False Equivalence colsohlibgal Oct 2014 #66
Really? 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #67
I'm only a few years younger than you are. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #68
President Obama, President Clintond and future President Hillary are about results! 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #69
Hillary will be the Democratic nominee and the 45th President 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #70
Both Presidents Clinton and Obama have concurred with the doctrine of American exceptionalism. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #71
I'll back someone who knows how to fuckin win. nt BootinUp Oct 2014 #72
Here is what Obama said WRT NAFTA when he was lying for votes nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #73
Here are a couple of photos nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #74
"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state." Quackers Oct 2014 #75
transformed into what DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #76
I agree! n/t bobGandolf Oct 2014 #77
Sweetie it doesn't matter which one - TBF Oct 2014 #78
All about screwing the masses. LWolf Oct 2014 #79
Why won't you answer the question? TBF Oct 2014 #80
But that's not the point of the OP... brooklynite Oct 2014 #81
But that's not what your research shows - TBF Oct 2014 #82
I appreciate your efforts at attempting dialogue with that poster, BUT... stillwaiting Oct 2014 #83
The third way is the Koch Bros. TBF Oct 2014 #84
...but still the bulk of the vote brooklynite Oct 2014 #85
I agree. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #86
Clinton's policies are why we are in such trouble now. alarimer Oct 2014 #87
After NAFTA manufacturing wages and household incomes went up UNTIL pampango Oct 2014 #88
Its a big tent. How about a hug from a centrist??? aikoaiko Oct 2014 #89
So you're willing to negotiate with small government fraudsters and conspirators? Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #90
Perhaps centrists should be giving out hugs to their ideological brothers and sisters in the GOP Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #91
Sure, I'll hug them, too. aikoaiko Oct 2014 #92
I don't consider myself a centrist at all but we can't be unwelcoming to them. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #93
I couldn't disagree with you more. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #94
Wow, I can't believe the attack you just made on Presidents Obama and Clinton 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #95
Isolationism and Protectionism don't work. It's been tried. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #96
If Hillary is on the ticket, I will vote for her. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #97
Yes, Hillary will be on the top of the ticket - inevitable 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #98
FYI, I think you spelled Phlegm wrong snooper2 Oct 2014 #99
You're refuting your own cite. smh. nt TBF Oct 2014 #100
LMAO Enthusiast Oct 2014 #101
Congressional voting because of ones source of corporate campaign money is undemocratic. L0oniX Oct 2014 #102
That's nice. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #103
Get used to people switching to independent too. L0oniX Oct 2014 #104
Yes! Voting based on who gives you money instead of those they represent is undemocratic. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #105
The right way - TBF Oct 2014 #106
I use to be UglyGreed Oct 2014 #107
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Oct 2014 #108
Winnin' is everythin! truebluegreen Oct 2014 #109
Centrists are actually moderate republicans who want to smoke dope and get laid. nt Zorra Oct 2014 #110
Pathetic ain't it. L0oniX Oct 2014 #111
You tried to counter the posters point but ended up backing theri point. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #112
Can't Phlem Oct 2014 #113
Gotta say.... Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #114
Why are you posting stuff from Brian Westbury “a Fellow of the George W. Bush Presidential Center?” markme88 Oct 2014 #115
Forked tongue is not admirable. JEB Oct 2014 #116
What are you talking about? The first is from Paul Krugman's blog; the second - wikimedia; pampango Oct 2014 #117
I'm a good old-fashioned Democrat. Not a free market one. madfloridian Oct 2014 #118
Your third chart "Source:Brian Westbury, First Trust Portfolios" markme88 Oct 2014 #119
Notably you are not claiming that the graph is not accurate. Fine. Same graph, different sources. pampango Oct 2014 #120
Precisely. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #121
they drink lots of Pinot noir too Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #122
There ain't no Hard Left. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #123
Fortunately, DU's assessment of Centrists doesn't apply to the real world... brooklynite Oct 2014 #124
Ideological centrism is ludicrous, of course. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #125
Please don't forget repeal of Glass Steagall, the Telecommunications Act, DOMA and DADT. merrily Oct 2014 #126
Notably you did not apologize for posting your Tea party propaganda markme88 Oct 2014 #127
It's not 'propaganda' if it's a factual chart. The tea party does not deal in facts, but in fear, pampango Oct 2014 #136
It's Tea Party propaganda. markme88 Oct 2014 #138
I don't consider Sweden and Germany to be "free market" in that they have strong unions, pampango Oct 2014 #135
Should have made a more clear statement. JEB Oct 2014 #133
What question??? nt LWolf Oct 2014 #137
President Obama has governed exactly as he campaigned. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author Mnpaul Oct 2014 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Mnpaul Oct 2014 #129
Goldwater was a supreme asshole. cheapdate Oct 2014 #130
"Third Way" and "New Dem" are indicative of the former DLC crowd Samantha Oct 2014 #131
+100000000 Phlem Oct 2014 #132
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