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Oktober

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73. My judgement is based on observed evidence...

Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:23 PM

Oct 2014

... and post after post calling for everything from the post commander to be relieved to calls to make this a hate crime.

Judgement is fine when backed up with evidence.

They should feel shamed and they should feel bad, which is why I suggested it.

...............

What is disgusting is the seemingly instinctual need to dump on this woman when there are far more likely scenarios that are far less insidious. Everyone wants to be first in line to take offense and cast their stone.

It seems to be utterly inconceivable that she could not think about the racial aspects of this. The thought hasn't even crossed anyone's mind. Everyone is so bloody sure that she must be a racist when there are far more likely possibilities that can be explored with just a hint of thought.

Did she fight desperately to keep it up? Did she say anything about black people? Did she act in any way other than someone who used what is lying around 90% of our homes (old clothes and black outdoor leaf trash bags) to build her project?

Lastly, if your standard for "brave" is shooting the shit on the internet ... I'd check your bearings...

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Kentucky Woman Doesn't Find Display Of Black People Hanging From Her Tree Offensive [View all] xchrom Oct 2014 OP

if she had used white trash bags would it have been offensive? Heather MC Oct 2014 #1

But she didn't. nt brush Oct 2014 #3

White, black or mauve, yes it would have been offensive n/t sarge43 Oct 2014 #8

There are mauve-colored people??? valerief Oct 2014 #78

Yes sarge43 Oct 2014 #83

But they were only two dimensional. nt valerief Oct 2014 #86

Rim shot. n/t sarge43 Oct 2014 #89

Maybe, but that would have been different gollygee Oct 2014 #9

That is not really true. Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #158

There were white people lynched gollygee Oct 2014 #174

It was exactly the same Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #183

No, there is NO comparison pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #184

Are you telling me that there are DEGREES of LYNCHING? Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #186

Displaying a tableaux of lynched people of any hue is offensive, Heather MC., however, merrily Oct 2014 #18

Yes, because it is about seeing a human being hanging from a tree. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #32

Lighten up. It's Halloween. Mercy_Queen Oct 2014 #37

Except of course that those have also been deemed offensive... Oktober Oct 2014 #56

Thank you, Kreskin. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #88

from the article: "people have put forth their best efforts to be racially ignorant. " bettyellen Oct 2014 #59

Apples and oranges . If I raise my pinkie finger at you is it the same as my middle finger ? No lunasun Oct 2014 #71

If she had used green balloons...? If she had used purple people-eaters....? SHE WAS HANGING BLACKS WinkyDink Oct 2014 #85

And this is why McTurtle has won his seat for so long. SmittynMo Oct 2014 #2

"The house is located on the military base in Fort Campbell." < We hire people this dumb? Or allow jtuck004 Oct 2014 #4

Civilian hirers don't live in base housing. sarge43 Oct 2014 #6

"We hire people this dumb?" By that I mean we are paying someone in the military a paycheck. jtuck004 Oct 2014 #11

Concur, unfortunately sarge43 Oct 2014 #15

Yeah. And I am kinda being sarcastic when I say dumb. I suspect they knew precisely what they were jtuck004 Oct 2014 #17

Because in the military recruits are taught to kill, to kill one must hate. So hate is taught. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #19

The hate was taught long before they joined the service sarge43 Oct 2014 #36

Yes, but many who join dont come from hate and dont grow into hateful people while serving randys1 Oct 2014 #104

not at all true demwing Oct 2014 #172

Parents kill their children from fear of the future or in a fit of rage, but NEVER from love. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #175

You read the post wrong demwing Oct 2014 #177

Your original post was to sarge43. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #180

cheers demwing Oct 2014 #181

And to you Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #182

And/or terminally evil and foul. merrily Oct 2014 #21

That too. n/t sarge43 Oct 2014 #38

We excuse a lot on the basis that people were too dumb or too scared to do better. merrily Oct 2014 #47

I think the commander of that base ought to be in line for a different job, after being jtuck004 Oct 2014 #48

I don't know how much the base commander had to do with it. The base did get her to take it down merrily Oct 2014 #50

The base commander has the responsibly. If the place is being run so shabbily that they jtuck004 Oct 2014 #122

Nothing in the OP article indicated that the base was being run shabbily merrily Oct 2014 #124

Having lynched black dolls hanging from a tree is your idea of neat and tidy? jtuck004 Oct 2014 #126

That is a totally unwarranted and despicable accusation. merrily Oct 2014 #128

Jury Results RussBLib Oct 2014 #129

And your point is? Should jtuck should be able to accuse me of being a racist based on zero merrily Oct 2014 #130

Don't get me wrong - I don't think just you are racist - the whole freakin' country is. All of us. jtuck004 Oct 2014 #132

The only ones who got you wrong were the jurors who voted to leave your despicable post. merrily Oct 2014 #134

"- the whole freakin' country is. All of us." I'm sorry, but...... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #154

You define racism in a way that exempts most people gollygee Oct 2014 #176

crickets merrily Oct 2014 #147

The base commander doesn't live in that house and the charge of racism is bogus. MADem Oct 2014 #80

I did not say the base commander lived in the house, nor did I blame the base commander. To the merrily Oct 2014 #94

I was responding specifically to jtuck's comments about the base commander. MADem Oct 2014 #107

You are correct. You were talking to another poster. I did not follow the thread correctly. merrily Oct 2014 #110

Do what you want, and enjoy your day as well. nt MADem Oct 2014 #114

"Do what you want" ......... And enjoy your day as well. Thanks. merrily Oct 2014 #115

You are quite welcome. nt MADem Oct 2014 #121

No service organization is free of bad (racist) apples CakeGrrl Oct 2014 #148

I can't imagine telling some little kid that she or he might get shot today because, well, "No jtuck004 Oct 2014 #149

Doubling down on ignorant. mikeysnot Oct 2014 #5

hummmnnnn..... daleanime Oct 2014 #7

If You Ask Me RobinA Oct 2014 #10

This is not the woman Neil Diamond sang about, then? knightmaar Oct 2014 #12

and you wonder rtracey Oct 2014 #13

"you deserve what you get." < just a note. We ALL get what she gets. jtuck004 Oct 2014 #49

The article's title misleads demwing Oct 2014 #14

? She put it up and she claims she didn't mean for it to offend. That seems to mean merrily Oct 2014 #23

She was a moron for putting it up demwing Oct 2014 #28

You said all that in your first post and I already replied to it. merrily Oct 2014 #29

+ 2014 lunasun Oct 2014 #52

I applaud your applause demwing Oct 2014 #68

Thank you. *bows humbly* merrily Oct 2014 #69

Excuse me, just clarifying my point demwing Oct 2014 #66

It was not a matter of clarity or of brevity, but of repetition. merrily Oct 2014 #77

Actually I was just being polite demwing Oct 2014 #99

Hm. When I reply to you, that shows I am determined about something or other, not just that I am merrily Oct 2014 #105

Buh bye demwing Oct 2014 #120

Bye merrily Oct 2014 #123

The title clearly implies that the woman still doesn't think it's offensive Reter Oct 2014 #117

I am not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. merrily Oct 2014 #118

Not necessarily clearly. It could be the historical present tense. merrily Oct 2014 #127

So you are saying that she would put something up that she thought was offensive? Jamastiene Oct 2014 #34

No, I'm saying the article (and thread) title says that demwing Oct 2014 #65

I don't know if it's obvious that she didn't think it was offensive when she put it up. merrily Oct 2014 #106

sorry rtracey Oct 2014 #81

I hear what you're saying, and mostly agree demwing Oct 2014 #100

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_present merrily Oct 2014 #125

Not sure who this guy is - but at the end of the article he is quoted with . . . JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #16

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #20

If you're implying she was innocently duplicating a scene from a movie, what makes merrily Oct 2014 #33

OMG! strawberries Oct 2014 #22

sick, twisted fucks. spanone Oct 2014 #24

Southern trees bear strange fruit. merrily Oct 2014 #25

She must have a very dark aura Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #26

It's honestly beyond me, too, Catherine. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #156

She's a sick, sick woman ismnotwasm Oct 2014 #27

Notice the woman said, Jamastiene Oct 2014 #30

The woman who said that was not the same woman who put up the display, but a spokesperson merrily Oct 2014 #40

Yes, I knew. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #43

Whether it's cluelessness or evil is a very open question in my mind. merrily Oct 2014 #44

She says she didn't mean to offend anyone davidpdx Oct 2014 #31

I can't believe anyone could be that clueless theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #35

We have insufficent data, but sarge43 Oct 2014 #41

Possible, but not excusable. ismnotwasm Oct 2014 #45

No, it isn't. sarge43 Oct 2014 #46

That spouse may be in west Africa right now Travelman Oct 2014 #82

Good point sarge43 Oct 2014 #87

Believe it. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #163

This link will take you to a memorial page for the victims of lynching in Kentucky Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #39

There were probably more who were never found or whose names were never learned. merrily Oct 2014 #42

Of course. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #51

Thanks for this link on a horrible era in the US. More people should know and see appalachiablue Oct 2014 #60

In all honesty... ReRe Oct 2014 #53

Why is this not a hate crime? smh. nt TBF Oct 2014 #54

most of the post is located in Tennessee but... kentuck Oct 2014 #55

We just had a similar situation in Portland, except the guy put a brown hood over the head so you dilby Oct 2014 #57

The immediate and complete rush to judgement in this thread... Oktober Oct 2014 #58

The idea of being "color blind" is a myth gollygee Oct 2014 #61

Maybe you're right. Orrex Oct 2014 #62

I K, R?! WinkyDink Oct 2014 #93

Fail. WilliamPitt Oct 2014 #63

And Cliven Bundy is nothing more than a poor, misrepresented victim of bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #64

Comparison of the two belittles actual racism... Oktober Oct 2014 #75

While your post is not at all judgmental or high horsed--or shaming or intended to hurt? merrily Oct 2014 #70

My judgement is based on observed evidence... Oktober Oct 2014 #73

Another utterly clueless post, even after multiple responses from your fellow posters. Old saying: merrily Oct 2014 #79

So if more than one person agrees with an idiotic idea... Oktober Oct 2014 #96

And the clueless responses on this thread ontinue and proliferate. merrily Oct 2014 #97

I'm just picking up what you are putting down... Oktober Oct 2014 #162

Whatever. My posts spelled it out. No coded, hidden messages. If you missed it, check out Reply 166. merrily Oct 2014 #168

10000 frenchman can't be wrong! nt Alittleliberal Oct 2014 #152

I don't know if they can or not. But I know that the poster was no less judgemental or merrily Oct 2014 #166

Just to be clear... Oktober Oct 2014 #169

"The child in the display has a knife in its back...." Please. Conjure up the non-vile explanation. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #92

Ummm.... It's Halloween... Oktober Oct 2014 #95

Dude, you are pissing in the wind joeglow3 Oct 2014 #108

Dispositive evidence of what was in this woman's heart/thoughts when she decided to put up this merrily Oct 2014 #112

Exactly my point joeglow3 Oct 2014 #133

You do know that there are those who claim she had nothing offensive in mind? THEY are the mind- WinkyDink Oct 2014 #135

You forgot your sarcasm tag. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #137

Odd way to express that point: you mentioned only evidence coming out later, not mind reading. merrily Oct 2014 #136

Yep. Just as it has already in this case. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #139

Sorry, that is not dispositive evidence. You seldom get dispositive evidence of what merrily Oct 2014 #142

Fair. Do you make it a practice of assuming guilt and requiring proof of guilt? joeglow3 Oct 2014 #143

Dude, the only thing I said was that an explanation is not dispositive evidence. merrily Oct 2014 #145

I assume people are good joeglow3 Oct 2014 #150

So do I. merrily Oct 2014 #167

Fair enough... Oktober Oct 2014 #131

Care to cite examples of your digression? I remember the vitriol aimed at the National Enquirer for WinkyDink Oct 2014 #138

The girl with the scars at KFC and the black actress fucking in public are the most recent joeglow3 Oct 2014 #141

FTR: I personally knew the former was fake from the git-go, and for the latter I DID post a "Mea WinkyDink Oct 2014 #144

I guess I just don't find the thrill you do in the depiction of "dead babies, kids...." And I've not WinkyDink Oct 2014 #140

Part of me is just curious what a "legit" haunted house consists of... Oktober Oct 2014 #146

Maybe pigs fly. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #76

Wow. Why don't you pull out more imaginary excuses for her? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #90

There's nothing funny about lynching. Period. Whether it was intentional or not. marble falls Oct 2014 #153

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that's pretty unlikely at this point. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #155

LOL, 380 posts. Hmmmmmm. nt Logical Oct 2014 #159

Numbers... ammirite? Oktober Oct 2014 #161

Good Ole Southern Hospitality otohara Oct 2014 #67

A quarter of the population Travelman Oct 2014 #91

Shocking otohara Oct 2014 #98

There's a pretty strong likelihood that this person is not a Southerner at all. Travelman Oct 2014 #103

The PAO who issued the statement about this incident is black. MADem Oct 2014 #109

"Stupid, not racist." I'm inclined to agree. Travelman Oct 2014 #116

Overt racism is harshly punished in the Army. MADem Oct 2014 #119

I saw this UglyGreed Oct 2014 #72

Please see Reply 25 merrily Oct 2014 #113

Thanks but UglyGreed Oct 2014 #164

Maybe I misunderstood your Reply 72 merrily Oct 2014 #165

Yes the Billie Holliday song UglyGreed Oct 2014 #170

No worries. As best I can tell, confusion is a normal human condition and we're both human. merrily Oct 2014 #171

Yes indeed it is UglyGreed Nov 2014 #185

She'll be voting for McConnell. anyone still need inspiration to GOTV? Takket Oct 2014 #74

"located on the military base"???? WTH?! "The child in the display has a knife in its back...." WinkyDink Oct 2014 #84

No. Just no. shenmue Oct 2014 #101

Movie reenactment gone wrong? ksoze Oct 2014 #102

More here KamaAina Oct 2014 #111

Yeah, well, I'm afraid you're wrong, madam..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #151

Whatever the reason... 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #157

It is offensive. leanforward Oct 2014 #160

The Opening Scene of "Sinister" demwing Oct 2014 #173

Someone's trying too hard in this thread Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #178

What if the woman is black herself? BP2 Oct 2014 #179

Well there's one that doesn't deserve the right to vote. L0oniX Nov 2014 #187