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In reply to the discussion: P.S.A. 'Tranny' is incredibly offensive to the LGBTIQ community. [View all]xchrom
(108,903 posts)99. Is 'Tranny' Offensive?
http://www.bilerico.com/2008/09/is_tranny_offensive.php
I'm happy to be a part of the Bilerico team now, and I thought I'd start off by reposting something I wrote in my own blog a couple weeks ago. It was inspired by a reoccurring conversation I've seen on several blogs, including this one, so it seemed fitting.
It always goes like this. A cis (non-trans) person tosses out the word 'tranny' in a comment. Then a trans person calls them out on it and tells them its a word that they shouldn't be using. Argument ensues over who's allowed to use what language, invariably, we hear "but my trans friends are okay with me using it." And usually the issue ends unresolved -- in my opinion, because no one discusses the history of the term or why it can have such a powerful negative impact.
It might appear to be a benign act of adding a "y" on the end to make the term more informal and cutesy (notice a similar transformation when changing "cute" to "cutesy"
. From this perspective, why would it matter? No one will tell you "fag" or "faggot" are okay but "faggy" and "fagotry" aren't. However, there is a whole historical context to the term that isn't all that widely known, but is a huge part about what makes the term less appealing.
The term itself was first popularized within the porn industry. And while I'll be the last one to denigrate sexuality and pornography, the fact is that "tranny porn" is about as representative of trans people's sexuality as "girl-on-girl porn" is representative of lesbian sexuality. The usual context that it has been used in porn is to highlight how trans women are not really women, while also painting us as more exotic and sexually available.
So when the term became linked to the porn industry and popularized, it became a useful way to get a sense of someone's background with the community. If a cisgender person used the term "tranny" it probably meant that they got most of their knowledge of (or at least intro to) the trans community from the porn and sex industries, and perhaps didn't have your best interests at heart. This is also probably related to the creation of the term "tranny-chaser" as a way for the trans community to identify people who might take advantage of a trans person's relative vulnerability or see trans people only as a sexual commodity.
Why trans is in but tranny is out
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jun/30/trans-language-transgender
As a trans man or woman, you soon notice how many people have what Daffy Duck called 'pronoun trouble'.
No matter how supportive of your transition they claim to be, and how much well-intentioned advice they give you about your new hairstyle, or the name you always used in your head but only just told them about, they misgender you every other time they open their mouths, and get quite upset if you call them on it.
You're being too sensitive, they say, or it's too soon. Families, in particular, think it's too soon even after years. Getting your name right is a minimum requirement of respect - referring to you in the third person by the wrong pronoun means that respect is only superficial politeness.
I used to think that straight men particularly tended to misgender me if they were losing an argument; now I've seen them do it to trans men too. Misgendering is sometimes cluelessness, but more often it's quiet, hostile aggression, especially if we aren't gratefully deferential for whatever crumbs of acceptance we are thrown - if we speak up as freely as if we were actual, you know, human beings.
Oh, and a word to far too many columnists and pub philosophers: the only time 'it' is acceptable is with neutrois-identified people, some of whom regard it as mandatory. And if that's one rule too many to keep in your social vocabulary, well, tough.
What terminology is offensive to transgender people?
http://www.glaad.org/transgender
The following terms are usually considered offensive and/or defamatory to transgender people:
Transvestite
She-male
He-she
It
Trannie
Tranny
Shim
I'm happy to be a part of the Bilerico team now, and I thought I'd start off by reposting something I wrote in my own blog a couple weeks ago. It was inspired by a reoccurring conversation I've seen on several blogs, including this one, so it seemed fitting.
It always goes like this. A cis (non-trans) person tosses out the word 'tranny' in a comment. Then a trans person calls them out on it and tells them its a word that they shouldn't be using. Argument ensues over who's allowed to use what language, invariably, we hear "but my trans friends are okay with me using it." And usually the issue ends unresolved -- in my opinion, because no one discusses the history of the term or why it can have such a powerful negative impact.
It might appear to be a benign act of adding a "y" on the end to make the term more informal and cutesy (notice a similar transformation when changing "cute" to "cutesy"
The term itself was first popularized within the porn industry. And while I'll be the last one to denigrate sexuality and pornography, the fact is that "tranny porn" is about as representative of trans people's sexuality as "girl-on-girl porn" is representative of lesbian sexuality. The usual context that it has been used in porn is to highlight how trans women are not really women, while also painting us as more exotic and sexually available.
So when the term became linked to the porn industry and popularized, it became a useful way to get a sense of someone's background with the community. If a cisgender person used the term "tranny" it probably meant that they got most of their knowledge of (or at least intro to) the trans community from the porn and sex industries, and perhaps didn't have your best interests at heart. This is also probably related to the creation of the term "tranny-chaser" as a way for the trans community to identify people who might take advantage of a trans person's relative vulnerability or see trans people only as a sexual commodity.
Why trans is in but tranny is out
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jun/30/trans-language-transgender
As a trans man or woman, you soon notice how many people have what Daffy Duck called 'pronoun trouble'.
No matter how supportive of your transition they claim to be, and how much well-intentioned advice they give you about your new hairstyle, or the name you always used in your head but only just told them about, they misgender you every other time they open their mouths, and get quite upset if you call them on it.
You're being too sensitive, they say, or it's too soon. Families, in particular, think it's too soon even after years. Getting your name right is a minimum requirement of respect - referring to you in the third person by the wrong pronoun means that respect is only superficial politeness.
I used to think that straight men particularly tended to misgender me if they were losing an argument; now I've seen them do it to trans men too. Misgendering is sometimes cluelessness, but more often it's quiet, hostile aggression, especially if we aren't gratefully deferential for whatever crumbs of acceptance we are thrown - if we speak up as freely as if we were actual, you know, human beings.
Oh, and a word to far too many columnists and pub philosophers: the only time 'it' is acceptable is with neutrois-identified people, some of whom regard it as mandatory. And if that's one rule too many to keep in your social vocabulary, well, tough.
What terminology is offensive to transgender people?
http://www.glaad.org/transgender
The following terms are usually considered offensive and/or defamatory to transgender people:
Transvestite
She-male
He-she
It
Trannie
Tranny
Shim
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And some say that the term "transgendered" is questionable as well
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#19
Neither did I. Maybe because I frequent the San Francisco Tranny Shack shows and events.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#35
I find that usage incredibly offensive, altho I've only seen it in print, not heard it spoken.
CTyankee
Apr 2012
#8
It was on yesterday. Go to msnbctv.com and click on her show. The segment should be on
CTyankee
Apr 2012
#13
Since the only places outside of car repair shops I've ever hard the term used...
TreasonousBastard
Apr 2012
#11
I just wanted to ask again. This exchange where you said 'decades' of support for
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2012
#97
Tell me about. Could there really be a DUer who does not read that message that does...
Poll_Blind
Apr 2012
#54
Honestly, I did not know. But then, it is a term I never used to begin with.
ChairmanAgnostic
Apr 2012
#21
As far as I'm concerned, a "tranny" is a slang term for a car or truck transmission.
BoWanZi
Apr 2012
#24
Will racism go away on its own? Will sexism? Will people suddenly wake up one morning and share?
yardwork
Apr 2012
#71
LOL. yes, that's exactly how bigotry works. you ignore it, and magically it goes away
La Lioness Priyanka
Apr 2012
#74
I've heard it used pejoratively, but only by people in the gay club milieu 30 years ago. Never
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#56
which kinda illustrates the point: older people tended to still feel the sting of the word; younger
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#82
My memory accords with the poster's. I remember when Christine Jorgenson was front-page,
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#62
Up until two years ago, the Transgender Film Festival was called Tranny Fest...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#63
I always thought Tranny was short for that thing that makes a car go forward & backward.
donheld
Apr 2012
#84
And some black people use the n word. That doesn't mean that white people get to use it.
yardwork
Apr 2012
#70
There's no comparison between the words though. The "n" word evolved specifically as a pejorative
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#73
I was a bit surprised to learn how far back the word "transgender" dates
WhoIsNumberNone
Apr 2012
#80
I read the word "tranny" long before the 80s -- I keep thinking in some book along the lines of
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#83
There have been times when it was certainly a slur, used by gays against T*s.
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#88
The word is a slur, and the fact that its a slur used by some gay people is no excuse.
yardwork
Apr 2012
#102
not disputing that's how it's often used now. just curious about how the use has evolved, as
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#103
That's kind of my point. Not in space, not in time. The original poster's claim was that the
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#107
Not interesting in debating it or offending the poster, only in teasing out the history.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#109
I'm puzzled. I've only heard "tranny" used to mean a transvestite, but in looking over this...
Poll_Blind
Apr 2012
#78