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In reply to the discussion: Was Dan Rather Right? Interesting [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)21. F-102 had only 3 real combat losses in VN as opposed to 382 F-4s shot down.
The biggest danger to F-102s were Vietcong sappers blowing up parked aircraft. Compare the losses of other types of US fixed-wing jet aircraft in Vietnam. See, Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War
* F-4 Phantom II-- --445 total, 382 in combat
-First loss was operational (non-combat), F-4C 64-0674 (45TH TFS, 15th TFW) which ran out of fuel after strike in SVN on 9 June 1965; first combat loss F-4C 64-0685 (45th TFS, 15th TFW) shot down Ta Chan, NW NVN on 20 June 1965. 9 of the losses were parked aircraft struck by rockets.
-Final loss 1973
* F-5 Freedom Fighter-- --9 total
-First loss 1965, final loss 1967
* F-100 Super Sabre-- --243 total, 198 in combat
-First loss 1964, final loss 1971
* F-102 Delta Dagger-- --14 total, 7 combat
-First loss 1964, final loss 1967. 4 of the combat losses were parked aircraft
* F-104 Starfighter-- --14 total, 9 combat
-First loss 1965, final loss 1969
* F-105D Thunderchief-- --335 total, 283 in combat
-First loss 624371 (36th TFS, 6441st TFW) written off from battle damage over Laos 14 August 1964, at Korat, Thailand
-Final loss 610153 (44th TFS, 355th TFW) shot down Laos 23 September 1970, pilot Capt. J. W. Newhouse rescued
* F-105F/G Thunderchief: "Wild Weasel," "Ryan's Raiders," "Combat Martin"-- --47 total, 37 combat
-First loss EF-105F 63-8286 (13th TFS, 388th TFW) shot down by AAA RP-6 July 1966, Maj. Roosevelt Hestle and Capt. Charles Morgan KIA
-Last loss F-105G 63-8359 (Det.1 561st TFS, 388th TFW) shot down by SAM 16 November 1972, RP-3, crew rescued
* F-111A "Aardvark"-- --11 total, 6 in combat
-First loss mission-related TFR failure, 66-0022 (428th TFS 474th TFW, Project Combat Lancer), 28 March 1968, Maj. H.E. Mccann and Capt. D.L. Graham MIA
-Final loss 670111 (474th TFW) mid-air collision over Cambodia, 16 June 1973, both crewmen rescued
-First loss was operational (non-combat), F-4C 64-0674 (45TH TFS, 15th TFW) which ran out of fuel after strike in SVN on 9 June 1965; first combat loss F-4C 64-0685 (45th TFS, 15th TFW) shot down Ta Chan, NW NVN on 20 June 1965. 9 of the losses were parked aircraft struck by rockets.
-Final loss 1973
* F-5 Freedom Fighter-- --9 total
-First loss 1965, final loss 1967
* F-100 Super Sabre-- --243 total, 198 in combat
-First loss 1964, final loss 1971
* F-102 Delta Dagger-- --14 total, 7 combat
-First loss 1964, final loss 1967. 4 of the combat losses were parked aircraft
* F-104 Starfighter-- --14 total, 9 combat
-First loss 1965, final loss 1969
* F-105D Thunderchief-- --335 total, 283 in combat
-First loss 624371 (36th TFS, 6441st TFW) written off from battle damage over Laos 14 August 1964, at Korat, Thailand
-Final loss 610153 (44th TFS, 355th TFW) shot down Laos 23 September 1970, pilot Capt. J. W. Newhouse rescued
* F-105F/G Thunderchief: "Wild Weasel," "Ryan's Raiders," "Combat Martin"-- --47 total, 37 combat
-First loss EF-105F 63-8286 (13th TFS, 388th TFW) shot down by AAA RP-6 July 1966, Maj. Roosevelt Hestle and Capt. Charles Morgan KIA
-Last loss F-105G 63-8359 (Det.1 561st TFS, 388th TFW) shot down by SAM 16 November 1972, RP-3, crew rescued
* F-111A "Aardvark"-- --11 total, 6 in combat
-First loss mission-related TFR failure, 66-0022 (428th TFS 474th TFW, Project Combat Lancer), 28 March 1968, Maj. H.E. Mccann and Capt. D.L. Graham MIA
-Final loss 670111 (474th TFW) mid-air collision over Cambodia, 16 June 1973, both crewmen rescued
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Exactly. And GE had purchased CBS and media consolidation went wild under Powell.
freshwest
Apr 2012
#25
F-102 crews did nothing except sit alert on runways at TSNAB waiting for North Vietnam bombers
leveymg
Apr 2012
#12
I have been trying to get this link to load all morning with no luck...could the site be down?
sunwyn
Apr 2012
#9
Right on the story, but got scammed by Rove on the documents. Should have made the scam the story
leveymg
Apr 2012
#11