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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
29. I would have agreed with some of this, but I'm afraid you're more than little off base here, too.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:44 PM
Oct 2014

To be truthful whatever unwarranted extra criticism *is* coming from certain sections of the Left, against President O.....it ain't got a damn fuckin' thing to do with his skin color. And I'm one of the most sympathetic people to Obama that you'll find on this board for the most part, not to mention that I've been a longtime fan of Senator Warren as well.

My friend, if you truly *need* to say something about faux-liberals, they DO exist. But these aren't the droids you're looking for(apologies to George Lucas!). Nope. Here's a basic guide of some of the things to look for, down below-

Faux-liberals may, or may not believe, amongst other things:

1.)That America can never really do any good in the world.
2.)That F.D.R. was a secretly closeted hardcore "racist progressive" who actually willingly shat on black people, and that the New Deal was a throughly Southern racist creation, etc.(no kidding! I've actually seen the latter pushed, at least, on a few occasions)
3.)That only white people can be racist(people such as Louis Farrakhan, Ayo Kimathi, etc. not withstanding), and/or that ALL white people are inherently racist.
4.)That certain cliques of people should be allowed to completely and totally dominate the terms of discourse when it comes to conversations, ethnic/racial, religious, etc. issues, and that only they have that right, and that no one else outside their clique should be able to contribute without their complete approval.
5.)That all men share culpability for the problems with misogyny and other forms of sexism.
6.)That anyone who may be religious or spiritual is a fool and a moron, or a Young Earth Creationist, etc.
7.)Pretty much any form of historical revisionism that may be popular in certain fringe-left circles(such as Gerald Horne's "The Counter-Revolution of 1776", or Ira Katznelson's "Fear Itself: The New Deal and the Origins of Our Time", etc.).

That's only just a few pointers, too, btw.

In short, while your concerns are admirable, you're still barking up the wrong tree in that regard.

On the other hand, it is unfortunate, indeed, that otherwise informed genuine liberals are indeed being misled into believing the myths of Obama being a "Reagan lite&quot he's really not, not socially!), beholden to corporate interests(again, no), and certain other things. To be truthful, though, whenever we DO need to point things out, we need to be accurate in identifying & describing the problem.

As much as I may disagree with some of the hardcore critics of Obama on the Left, to say that even ANY of that, to any significant degree, is motivated by race, or more specifically, anti-black racism, is honestly not only inaccurate, but even fallacious; because, as pretty much anyone with a basic understanding knows, the two sides are *NOT* equal(at all!). One side has a major problem with racists, misogynists and other bigots on the whole, and the other side only has a few individual problem people(whose ass-backwards attitudes are largely condemned by their fellows). Guess which side is the former? It ain't the Democrats, or even the Left in general, that's for damn sure.










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Gee. enlightenment Oct 2014 #1
Eyes on the prize, pal. Eyes on the prize. baldguy Oct 2014 #2
Consider sticking to the pit bull stuff MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #3
High praise from one who has such a loose grip on reality themselves. baldguy Oct 2014 #4
Well said. nt Andy823 Oct 2014 #5
Ouch. MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #9
... SidDithers Oct 2014 #24
I agree with you. Andy823 Oct 2014 #6
as soon as the Republican obstruction continues.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #80
Nice. But, I'm still not voting for Clinton. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #7
I assume 'nice' is being used ironically Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #8
The irony, of course, is that in 2010 it wasn't the "Left" (fauxny or otherwise) or Progressives KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #44
The coalition was unwilling?...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #46
!!! zappaman Nov 2014 #56
Let's agree to forget that inconvenient truth... daleanime Nov 2014 #78
you are right demigoddess Nov 2014 #91
"RW memes promoted by the corporate media that "both parties are the same" ozone_man Oct 2014 #10
And in the almost 30 yrs since that story, Bernie realized his error. baldguy Oct 2014 #13
True, he doesn't say it anymore. ozone_man Oct 2014 #22
A lot of straw-men there baldguy Joe Turner Oct 2014 #31
A loving Pit Bull who's never bitten anyone and never will? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #11
Hate to turn it into a pit bull thread, ozone_man Oct 2014 #12
unrec AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #14
"Acting like a Democrat" means unequivocally supporting the nominee of the Democratic party. baldguy Oct 2014 #16
Hillary will not get my vote. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #28
The GOP candidate thanks you for your support. baldguy Nov 2014 #54
preemptive browbeating AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #55
If you refuse to support the Dem candidate for President, that's one less vote the Republican needs. baldguy Nov 2014 #57
Wrong Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #36
Rebublicans insist on their candidates hold increasingly extreme & unpopular positions baldguy Nov 2014 #38
And the political minority that currently controls the Democratic Party Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #82
Only a Republican could want a Democrat to act like a Democrat MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #17
Better to be a Democrat than act like one. Autumn Nov 2014 #84
Corporate blather. woo me with science Oct 2014 #15
Why do you hate Elizabeth Warren? baldguy Oct 2014 #18
WTF? MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #19
It's something peculiar to the right side of the political spectrum DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #23
amazing that call out like this are allowed. anyone who posted a rant like this Doctor_J Nov 2014 #41
Kind of like Andy823 Nov 2014 #61
Yeah? Keep this in mind... I'm apparently a "Faux Democrat" SomethingFishy Oct 2014 #20
+1 Union Scribe Nov 2014 #35
Faux democrats, Decider? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #21
DU rec...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #25
Great dividing effort sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #26
If she loses the left and picks more centrist which is heavier in numbers, what does the left win? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #27
Ah,yes, I have heard something similar to this before sadoldgirl Oct 2014 #30
You have to be responsible for your vote, my question is what does the left win? Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #32
There's always somewhere else to go. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #47
I would have agreed with some of this, but I'm afraid you're more than little off base here, too. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #29
I nearly quit reading after "fauxnies" but decided to soldier on. pa28 Oct 2014 #33
"Republicans just love that shit." Union Scribe Nov 2014 #34
4 words: FED CHAIR PAUL KRUGMAN JaneyVee Nov 2014 #37
In Defense of Obama, By Paul Krugman baldguy Nov 2014 #39
this site hates liberals more than hate radio does Doctor_J Nov 2014 #40
Wanting liberal Democratic candidates to win elections = "hating liberals" baldguy Nov 2014 #42
Amazing isn't it Andy823 Nov 2014 #59
Liberals are such victims treestar Nov 2014 #71
Your bias is showing. LWolf Nov 2014 #43
Trying to cast every mainstream liberal Democrat as "Third Way" or "neo-liberal" is what's wrong. baldguy Nov 2014 #45
I don't think that word means what you think it means. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #49
Of course, I don't see that happening. LWolf Nov 2014 #50
You know what **REALLY** doesn't help? Not supporting Democrats. baldguy Nov 2014 #53
That's a bit simplistic for me. LWolf Nov 2014 #67
It is that simple. baldguy Nov 2014 #68
Only for those whose minds are too simple LWolf Nov 2014 #69
K&R. Well said. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #48
Could someone please summarize the jist of the post? Thanks. nt ladjf Nov 2014 #51
Liberals are what's wrong with the nation, because Doctor_J Nov 2014 #52
Shit that just about describes the last 35 years. Rex Nov 2014 #60
That's not what it says at all, of course. baldguy Nov 2014 #62
thanks for reminding me. I left off "liberals are the real racists". does Fox object Doctor_J Nov 2014 #63
Again, not what it says at all. baldguy Nov 2014 #64
A Warren administration would be as disappointing to doctrinaire idealogues Recursion Nov 2014 #73
listen folks, the 2016 primaries and caucuses are over and Hillary won fair and square Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #58
Imaginary customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #65
Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio Nov 2014 #66
+10000000000 treestar Nov 2014 #70
Exactly Andy823 Nov 2014 #76
Since a Warren Presidency is a fantasy, imagine anything you want... brooklynite Nov 2014 #72
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Nov 2014 #74
I'm pretty sure it wasn't your intent but the take-away I got was -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #75
Why bother? Because - as Obama has proven - progress can still be made. baldguy Nov 2014 #83
Lost me in two senctenses.... daleanime Nov 2014 #77
The premise for Obama haters is that napalm is *better*. baldguy Nov 2014 #85
Yes, I know.... daleanime Nov 2014 #86
I'm guessing the vacuum of outer space rock Nov 2014 #79
Shitbull whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #81
And the national debt will be wiped out in a year hughee99 Nov 2014 #87
Yes, it's time we all unite behind our Party's nominee, now that the 2016 Primaries are over. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #88
Funny that's it's verboten to raise the slightest question about Warren's chances for the WH. baldguy Nov 2014 #89
It's not "verboten". Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #90
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