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beevul

(12,194 posts)
125. Gee, I wonder where the term "gun grabber" came from...
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 07:18 PM
Nov 2014


Oh, wait, that's too recent...

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation." Charles Krauthammer

We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc. which is now the brady campaign

"Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns. "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases,"

Rep. William L. Clay D-St. Louis, Mo

I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step."

Stockton, California Mayor Barbara Fass

"I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!"

Sen. John H. Chafee R.-R.I., In View of Handguns' Effects, There's Only One Answer: A Ban, Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 15, 1992

""My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don't have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that's the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation."

Bobby Rush; Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999

"Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind."

Rep. Major Owens (D-Brooklyn, N.Y.), 139 Cong. Rec. H9088 at H9094, Nov. 10, 1993

"I would like to dispute that. Truthfully. I know it's an amendment. I know it's in the Constitution. But you know what? Enough! I would like to say, I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns."

Rosie Takes on the NRA, Ottawa Sun, April 29, 1999

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls -- such as expanding background checks at gun shows and stopping the import of high-capacity magazines -- and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act introduced by Senator Robert Torricelli, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Patrick Kennedy, Democrat of Rhode Island. Their measure would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."

Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center, Dispense With the Half Steps and Ban Killing Machines, Houston Chronicle, Nov. 5, 1999

"We will never fully solve our nation's horrific problem of gun violence unless we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons."

Jeff Muchnick, Legislative Director, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Better Yet, Ban All Handguns, USA Today, Dec. 29, 1993

"The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of the private sale of handguns and assault weapons in the United States."

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, http://www.csgv.org/content/coalition/coal_intro.html (visited June 20, 2000) (boldface added) ("The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence is composed of 44 civic, professional and religious organizations and 120,000 individual members that advocate for a ban on the sale and possession of handguns and assault weapons.&quot

"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns." Rahm Emmanuel

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" Charles Schumer

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." Diane Feinstein

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." Howard Metzenbaum

"I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers ...no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun." Dean Morris

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." Michael Dukakis

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it." Diane Feinstein

"No, we're not looking at how to control criminals ... we're talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns." --U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum

"What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned." U.S. Senator Howard Metzanbaum, Democrat from Ohio


"Until we can ban all of them , then we might as well ban none." U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings 1993


"I'm not interested in getting a bill that deals with airport security... all I want to do is get at plastic guns." -U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1993

"Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose." Janet Reno

"We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose." Major Owens

"If it were up to me we'd ban them all." Mel Reynolds CNN's Crossfire, December 9, 1993


Does that justify the term enough for you ?

I guess this means you're going to justify "gun fetishist" now, right?

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Actually, I think the gun-control side are equally guilty of mongering fear, using fear... NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
Fuck the NRA and and their endless childish fear mongering. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #8
Defending the 2nd Amd isn't the same as defending the NRA. nt NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #61
Then fuck the NRA and their distortion and twisting of the second amendment? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #62
Where in the 2A does it say "IN a well regulated militia"? GGJohn Oct 2014 #69
I said "fuck the NRA", nothing more, do you agree? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #73
No, you said "in a well regulated militia". GGJohn Oct 2014 #77
Fuck the NRA, in a well regulated milita, better? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #79
I'll go further, screw the NRA and those who sympathize with their promotion of gunz. Hoyt Nov 2014 #102
When are you going to learn to spell? GGJohn Nov 2014 #114
Fuck the NRA TheCowsCameHome Oct 2014 #2
Me too shenmue Oct 2014 #4
Shouldn't that be called shenmue Oct 2014 #3
That's what I thought but maybe it's the most important to them nt LiberalElite Oct 2014 #5
That's probably how they see it shenmue Oct 2014 #6
kick nt flamin lib Oct 2014 #7
wayne is a fucking nutcase. he should be institutionalized. spanone Oct 2014 #9
I believe the 'gun grabbers' are spreading fear and paranoia Jenoch Oct 2014 #10
Your are right about the NRA and their "tiny portion". Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #11
I am also correct about Jenoch Oct 2014 #14
Fact: Jared Lee Loughner savalez Oct 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Oct 2014 #16
Fact: You are wrong. Read carefully. savalez Oct 2014 #19
You're correct, it was the 2nd mag that was found to be faulty. GGJohn Oct 2014 #21
An unarmed elderly lady took him down.. Good guys with guns were of no direct help and indirectly Hoyt Nov 2014 #103
You're a funny guy. GGJohn Nov 2014 #106
Gets you, doesn't it, to think an elderly lady did what all those gunz in your gun safes couldn't? Hoyt Nov 2014 #109
Jesus Christ, when are you going to learn to spell? GGJohn Nov 2014 #110
Yep, he was stopped because his cheap, 33 round, after market magazine jammed. Jenoch Oct 2014 #18
Yes. Those who are unarmed must sit and wait until opportunities beyond their control arise. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #33
Or they can carry guns and delude themselves that they're more in control than they are. Orrex Oct 2014 #58
Like the thousands killed or maimed each year? alarimer Oct 2014 #56
"gun grabbers"? savalez Oct 2014 #20
I have never been a member of the NRA. Jenoch Oct 2014 #22
Apparently you don't like the term. Perhaps this would be an excellent opportunity to Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #34
Given the Penis™ talk, grabbing takes on new meaning! Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #38
Doesn't work that way. Orrex Oct 2014 #46
I own a gun. That does not make me a gun fetishist. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #50
Let's unpack that a bit. Orrex Oct 2014 #53
"the intent is to equate such mythical people with anyone who...proposes sensible gun legislation" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #54
Why not do a poll and see who's willing to out themselves? badtoworse Oct 2014 #55
Citation, please. Orrex Oct 2014 #57
How about you? Do you support the RKBA? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #59
I support the 2nd Amendment as written Orrex Oct 2014 #72
"as written" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #74
And accurate. Orrex Oct 2014 #80
I can't help but think "as written" is a back-handed way of saying, Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #81
You hang your argument on two GOP rulings? Orrex Oct 2014 #82
I guess you imagine you get to unilaterally decide what is law. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #84
As is typical for you, you misstate my position. Orrex Oct 2014 #85
I'm trying to square your double-talk. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #86
Think "Citizen's Councils", and you'll understand the mindset friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #88
It's not double-talk. That's an ad hominem. Orrex Oct 2014 #89
The 2A -- as written -- says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #95
"Someone who embraces the tenets of full-blown gun fetishism..." friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #87
As stated above, it requires no authority to point out the obvious. Orrex Oct 2014 #90
I see you're going with the 'ipse dixit'. Always a favorite choice... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #91
I've made no such claims beyond fairly obvious observations of what's been posted Orrex Oct 2014 #92
You have offered no argument beyond "I declare this to be so. It's obvious" friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #93
I'm sure that your postings pass for clever among gun fetishists Orrex Oct 2014 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #97
That's the spirit! All that bafflegab ill-suited you. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #101
"it requires no authority to point out the obvious." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #96
Citation, please. Orrex Nov 2014 #98
Why? Is declaring something "obvious" somehow exclusive to you? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #99
You keep referring to me as a gun fetishist. You were called on it and asked to show your Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #104
No, no, and wrong Orrex Nov 2014 #105
"...what I would identify..." Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #107
I gave an explicit definition in reply #55 Orrex Nov 2014 #111
Post #55 was made by DU'er BadToWorse. Perhaps you meant Post #53 Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #112
Gun control advocacy seems to attract self-proclaimed 'remote sensors' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #115
How is it "remote?" Orrex Nov 2014 #117
'Remote' as in you haven't been able to detect that *I don't own a gun*... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #120
I have never claimed that you own a gun, nor I have claimed to diagnose psychoses Orrex Nov 2014 #121
Did you type that headline with a straight face? If so, I'd hate to sit across a poker table... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #123
"bullshit demand for "telepsychology" credentials" Can you also kill goats with your mind? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #113
See, there's another of your ad hominem attacks in place of argument Orrex Nov 2014 #116
I'm volleying back what I've been served. If you don't care for it, you are free to... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #118
Another straw man Orrex Nov 2014 #119
Being ignored by someone who claims that a person that does not own a gun... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #122
It also requires no authority to point out that certain posters get a might testy... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #100
Gee, I wonder where the term "gun grabber" came from... beevul Nov 2014 #125
Bookmarking. Mind if I employ your bag of hammers the next time the complaint arises? nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #127
Feel free. beevul Nov 2014 #128
FTNRA Tom Ripley Oct 2014 #12
It's Working In CO otohara Oct 2014 #13
Hickenlooper might still shortly be on he way out, branford Oct 2014 #23
What Missteps? otohara Oct 2014 #24
Misstep being that no debate was allowed on those bills, GGJohn Oct 2014 #25
His magazine limit and assault weapon legislation was very unpopular, branford Oct 2014 #26
It also led to companies like Magpul moving their businesses out of state with the resulting GGJohn Oct 2014 #27
Oh Boo Hoo - 10,000 New Jobs Marijuana otohara Oct 2014 #64
There were also support businesses that supplied the materials to Magpul, GGJohn Oct 2014 #66
Whole Industries Are Gone otohara Oct 2014 #67
All those are still in exisistence, just not in the sheer numbers of days gone by. GGJohn Oct 2014 #68
No One Forced Them To Move otohara Oct 2014 #70
After CO legislatures passed a do nothing bill. GGJohn Oct 2014 #71
Crime Is Down in CO by 11% otohara Oct 2014 #76
Which has ZERO to do with the mag limit law, GGJohn Oct 2014 #78
Blah, Blah, Blah otohara Oct 2014 #28
Your "blah, blah, blah" attitude may result in the Republicans taking control branford Oct 2014 #29
And the response was to pass junk laws... beevul Oct 2014 #32
You're claiming victory for a magazine capacity law the sheriffs have said cannot and will not Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #35
Promise me: Don't hire on as campaign manager. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #39
What's that noise? Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #41
The NRA is now the GMW. Archae Oct 2014 #17
On January 20, 2017, the nation's gun dealers will go into a state of mourning jmowreader Oct 2014 #30
The Declaration of Independence has something . . No one has a right to infringe on my leanforward Oct 2014 #31
No one is infringing on your right. You're choosing to be afraid of people who have no interest in Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #36
By that logic, since I have a deep seated but irrational fear of clowns... Oktober Oct 2014 #37
Or hanging round folks who have eaten enchiladas. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #40
Absolutely an infringement on my happiness... Oktober Oct 2014 #48
Yes they are, in a civil society. leanforward Oct 2014 #83
Especially Obama.. he's coming to take your guns.. you gullible suckers. Cha Oct 2014 #42
Gullibility is pushing gun-control culture war... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #43
Precisely. beevul Nov 2014 #129
Worry not...Hillary will be even better for gun manufacturers and sellers aikoaiko Oct 2014 #44
You think? I've read the gun manufacturers' profits went through the roof when Obama became Cha Oct 2014 #45
Yes, Hillary has an even longer record with voting for increased gun restrictions aikoaiko Oct 2014 #47
Gun-control seems lodged into 3rd-Way politics... Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #51
Coumo and NY's gun laws made Remington decide to expand production elsewhere Lurks Often Oct 2014 #52
Islamic radicals don't scare me from an RKBA standpoint badtoworse Oct 2014 #49
Unlocking In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #60
What do gun owners have to fear. ileus Oct 2014 #63
K and R etherealtruth Oct 2014 #65
That's what the GOP is all about. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #75
Exactly, the NRA is yet another right wing group etherealtruth Nov 2014 #108
NRA = National Republican Armory friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #124
holy crap Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #126
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