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In reply to the discussion: Bill Maher slams Berkeley protesters: Who said you only had to hear what didn’t upset you? [View all]JonLP24
(29,929 posts)Early on I understood where he was going is it isn't an isolated band of criminals or isolated ideas but that there are more support for their brand than someone totally clueless that viewed the entirety of the faith as just some people doing their own things. He acts like this falls under the same umbrella when he should be directed these sort of comments to Wahhabi Islam which features more of the orthordox, fundamentalist, right-wing sects of the faith where you find this sort of wanting humans to die stuff. You start looking at Christianity through the same lens and you'll find a lot of the same shit. You may not find the same scale of violence (not much since the 1st, 2nd, and 50's-70's KKK) but he made those specific comments addressing the support of other Muslims and you'll certainly find the same type of support. Pat Robertson suggested we should go ahead and assassinate Hugo Chavez since he seemed to be under the impression that he already was a target and the reasons given, with irony, because he is using Veneuzuela as a launching pad for Communism and the Muslim sect I mentioned.
His guest shown he did have a much lesser understanding when he (paraphrasing - a long the lines with what he said) that those countries, cultures, faith had a problem with us over there after he made the claim that we need to be over there but that our precence was disliked because of "infidels near holy sights" - does Iran 1957 ring a bell? If anyone has shown more hypocrisy in that region.. look at the Yemen civil war. Whose side are they fighting? US claims to dropping drones on Al-Qaeda in Yemen, there are have been many claims they have also targeted the rebels up against the regime allied by Saudi Arabia & Egypt who were allies of the US at the time of the claims. But when you look at what it is ISIS wants, it is another Saudi Arabia(when it comes to penalties and no man-made law only Sharia law type of thing). There have been Muslims fighting the Wahabbi terrorists at one time or another in the region but US aids the other side whenever it is convenient.
Just some general thoughts I had in my head and not entirely directed to you -- Maher makes some good points but he gets locked into this Islam tunnel vision that leads me confused on what it his point his. An acknowledgement? The 4th ranked person in terms of media coverage of the debate made the point that all sorts of notable people of the faith speak out to mess less press. Maher knows there are vast numbers of Muslims that don't do or support those things but leads me confused where he sees a problem which implies a solution or compromise typically but I'm not hearing what that is from him.
When you have a faith which includes ISIS, Ice Cube, and Muhammed Ali under the Islam umbrella it is pretty obvious followers have vastly different views on practicing.