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dgauss

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19. Interesting excerpt from the NYT article that Chomsky references...
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 11:35 PM
Nov 2014
But in April 2013, President Obama authorized the C.I.A. to begin a program to arm the rebels at a base in Jordan, and more recently the administration decided to expand the training mission with a larger parallel Pentagon program in Saudi Arabia to train “vetted” rebels to battle fighters of the Islamic State, with the aim of training approximately 5,000 rebel troops per year.

So far the efforts have been limited, and American officials said that the fact that the C.I.A. took a dim view of its own past efforts to arm rebel forces fed Mr. Obama’s reluctance to begin the covert operation.

“One of the things that Obama wanted to know was: Did this ever work?” said one former senior administration official who participated in the debate and spoke anonymously because he was discussing a classified report. The C.I.A. report, he said, “was pretty dour in its conclusions.”


So here is Obama, asking the smart question, "Can you show me where this has worked in the past?"

The answer from the CIA seems to be "No not really."

The result, according to that article, was a sort of compromise.

Mr. Obama rejected that plan, but in the months that followed, Obama administration officials continued to debate the question of whether the C.I.A. should arm the rebels. Mr. Petraeus’s original plan was reworked until Mr. Obama signed a secret order authorizing the covert training mission after intelligence agencies concluded that President Bashar al-Assad of Syria had used chemical weapons against opposition forces and civilians.


Asking if this kind of intervention has actually worked in the past is a good question, but maybe a better one would be to ask who has this kind of intervention worked well for in the past and who has suffered?

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Why is Chomsky parroting Rick Santorum? baldguy Nov 2014 #1
What are you going on about? This looks like a sleazy diversion. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #2
Sleazy? Or stupid? I'd say the poster has read neither Chomsky nor enough Nov 2014 #5
You don't see the similarities in these comments? baldguy Nov 2014 #7
Here's what Chomsky wrote: Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #17
+1,000 malaise Nov 2014 #37
As usual, Chomsky cuts through the bullshit hifiguy Nov 2014 #48
Maybe people are using different definition of the word "terrorist." ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #27
I see absolutely no similarity to Chomsky and Santorum RoccoR5955 Nov 2014 #9
Will you be voting for Obama's Terrorist Party tomorrow? Is this the Terrorist Underground? baldguy Nov 2014 #10
Obama's Terrorist party?!?! RoccoR5955 Nov 2014 #12
Chomsky certainly believes Obama is a terrorist. I'm just pointing out that Palin does too. baldguy Nov 2014 #13
Oh please Santorum isn't leaning fascist. He is full blown fascist. TRoN33 Nov 2014 #15
Santorum isn't President. Obama is. baldguy Nov 2014 #20
If you lived with armed drones flying overhead and killing your neighbors from time to time.. Fumesucker Nov 2014 #23
You think that is the most imminent physical threat people in Syria and Iraq face on a daily basis? baldguy Nov 2014 #30
What was that you said about hyperbole? lol. nt. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #33
Oh, right. Obama is lying his ass off to start another war too. baldguy Nov 2014 #35
There is no another war under Obama. TRoN33 Nov 2014 #43
People are not rational at threat assessment Fumesucker Nov 2014 #46
Obama is not terrorists. Republicans are. TRoN33 Nov 2014 #41
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #3
I think Mr. Fuller is correct. There was no US conspiracy to create ISIS... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #4
Thanks W. Bush, Cheney, Warmonger Neocons, Republicans, and DINO Democrats. TRoN33 Nov 2014 #16
Proudly Exporting Terrorism World Wide libodem Nov 2014 #6
Since 2002? hughee99 Nov 2014 #39
I concede that point libodem Nov 2014 #40
We sent all the jobs to India and China, violence is the only thing we know how to manufacture whereisjustice Nov 2014 #8
You can bet Noam won't be voting tomorrow ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2014 #11
Sorry, but Noam Chomsky has orders of magnitude more credibility than you. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2014 #28
"Green Party Nut." Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #32
Nice strawman. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #34
Attacking the messenger = got nothing ...YAwn ...boring. L0oniX Nov 2014 #44
Why did I just get this image woo me with science Nov 2014 #49
"They're all the same" right? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2014 #52
Wow. More bile. woo me with science Nov 2014 #53
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #54
Actual liberals don't take vile, unwarranted smears of racism lightly woo me with science Nov 2014 #55
a very depressing, but totally unsurprising, article. niyad Nov 2014 #14
K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #18
Interesting excerpt from the NYT article that Chomsky references... dgauss Nov 2014 #19
The sad fact is that often there are just no good options. baldguy Nov 2014 #21
I agree, I think it's a truism that sometimes all the options are bad. dgauss Nov 2014 #25
Depends on what the meaning of "worked" is gratuitous Nov 2014 #22
Well, yeah. DeSwiss Nov 2014 #24
"The United States did not plan the formation of ISIS," Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #26
Right. Republicans created ISIS, and people like Chomsky always find a way to blame Democrats. baldguy Nov 2014 #31
Thanks to the Clinton Era DLC. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #38
K&R for Chomsky and Truth-Out. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #29
What Chomsky doesn't get is that the US thrives on war and weapons malaise Nov 2014 #36
I'd still put Israel at #1 Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #42
It's wonderful for all the MIC investors ain't it. L0oniX Nov 2014 #45
Our Official New Doctrine - We have to kill all of them, truedelphi Nov 2014 #47
Under President Obama...and not bush... maced666 Nov 2014 #50
We Americans love killing (Nam, Central America, Chile, ME etc.). JEB Nov 2014 #51
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