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In reply to the discussion: A Woman’s Lifetime Earnings Lost To Pay Gap Could Feed A Family Of Four For 37 Years [View all]BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)36. Women ALWAYS put a higher premium on nonmonetary reward
, and go to college to get these jobs. Men on the other hand put a higher premium on money, and are more likely to choose jobs which are more dangerous, difficult and are less rewarding in exchange for that higher pay.
Oh come on, lumberjack...you have such an obvious chip on your shoulder, always needing to prove that men are bigger victims than women.
Maybe you've been victimized in your life by women. It seems so, and you have our sympathy.
Still, One bad woman doesn't make your tarring of all women and women's issues true.
Your playing with facts is getting tiresome.
Here is a truckload of references rebutting your claims, but based on your behavior over the time I've seen you, my guess is that you'll ignore it all.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/fact-check-obama-and-equal-pay-for-women/
In 2010, the most recent data available, women on average earned 77.4 cents for every dollar earned by men holding the same full-time, year-round job, according to Census data analyzed by the National Committee on Pay Equity.
The gap was virtually unchanged from 2009, when it was 77 percent and 2008 when it stood at 77.1 percent, before the law was enacted.
Pay inequity remains most pronounced among women of color. African-American women made 67.7 percent of what was earned by men in 2010, according to the Census, while Hispanic women earned 58.7 percent, both figures largely unchanged from the year before.
In 2010, the most recent data available, women on average earned 77.4 cents for every dollar earned by men holding the same full-time, year-round job, according to Census data analyzed by the National Committee on Pay Equity.
The gap was virtually unchanged from 2009, when it was 77 percent and 2008 when it stood at 77.1 percent, before the law was enacted.
Pay inequity remains most pronounced among women of color. African-American women made 67.7 percent of what was earned by men in 2010, according to the Census, while Hispanic women earned 58.7 percent, both figures largely unchanged from the year before.
Unpaid work is largely done by
women:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_workforceAlthough access to paying occupations (the "workforce"
has been and remains unequal in many occupations and places around the world, scholars sometimes distinguish between "work" and "paying work," including in their analysis a broader spectrum of labor such as uncompensated household work, childcare, eldercare, and family subsistence farming.
http://www.now.org/issues/economic/factsheet.html <----much more information at link
+Women's median pay was less than men's in each and every one of the 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2007.3 Even men working in female-dominated occupations tend to earn more than women working in those same occupations.4
+A study by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) examined how the wage gap affects college graduates. Wage disparities kick in shortly after college graduation, when women and men should, absent discrimination, be on a level playing field. One year after graduating college, women are paid on average only 80 percent of their male counterparts' wages, and during the next 10 years, women's wages fall even further behind, dropping to only 69 percent of men's earnings ten years after college. According to the AAUW report, even after "[c]ontrolling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors normally associated with pay, college-educated women still earn less than their male peers earn. . . . A large portion of the
gender pay gap is not explained by women's choices or characteristics." 7
+Women's median pay was less than men's in each and every one of the 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2007.3 Even men working in female-dominated occupations tend to earn more than women working in those same occupations.4
+A study by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) examined how the wage gap affects college graduates. Wage disparities kick in shortly after college graduation, when women and men should, absent discrimination, be on a level playing field. One year after graduating college, women are paid on average only 80 percent of their male counterparts' wages, and during the next 10 years, women's wages fall even further behind, dropping to only 69 percent of men's earnings ten years after college. According to the AAUW report, even after "[c]ontrolling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors normally associated with pay, college-educated women still earn less than their male peers earn. . . . A large portion of the
gender pay gap is not explained by women's choices or characteristics." 7
http://www.thenation.com/article/166468/one-mancession-later-are-women-really-victors-new-economy <----much more information at link
...But anyone who declares that women have won the new economy is premature at best. Women may be over-represented in growing sectors, but those jobs pay poorly, offer few benefits, come with grudging work and provide little opportunity for advancement. The edge on wages experienced by young women evaporates as they progress in their careers. When women do get to middle management, theyre paid less than men and they struggle to advance much further up the ladder. And women with children are left far behind.
So what happened to the mancession once the recovery officially began in June 2009? Womens unemployment has continued to rise as men have gained their jobs back. Women gained less than 8 percent of the 1.9 million jobs added, and now mens and womens unemployment rates have converged at 7.7 percent. Public sector layoffs have hit women particularly hard. Across the country, women have lost 414,000 government jobs, many due to teacher layoffs. As of October, 300,000 educator jobs had been lost, accounting for over half of those lost at the local government level.
Women have been losing ground across private-sector industries too. Secretaries and administrative assistants, both female-dominated positions, have been laid off in droves. As employers ask their workers to do more work for the same or less pay in tough times, secretaries have become disposable. Women had lost 925,000 of these jobs as of July, but men had gained 204,000.
But women were stuck in disposable, low-income jobs long before the recession. One of the trends that got Rosin excited is that women dominate many of the industries projected to grow over the next decade, including retail sales and healthcare. Its true that women disproportionately hold retail sales, home health and personal care jobs, all of which are set to see the most growth. But these jobs not only pay poorly and have few benefits; they are also unstable and are poorly protected by labor laws or unionization.
...But anyone who declares that women have won the new economy is premature at best. Women may be over-represented in growing sectors, but those jobs pay poorly, offer few benefits, come with grudging work and provide little opportunity for advancement. The edge on wages experienced by young women evaporates as they progress in their careers. When women do get to middle management, theyre paid less than men and they struggle to advance much further up the ladder. And women with children are left far behind.
So what happened to the mancession once the recovery officially began in June 2009? Womens unemployment has continued to rise as men have gained their jobs back. Women gained less than 8 percent of the 1.9 million jobs added, and now mens and womens unemployment rates have converged at 7.7 percent. Public sector layoffs have hit women particularly hard. Across the country, women have lost 414,000 government jobs, many due to teacher layoffs. As of October, 300,000 educator jobs had been lost, accounting for over half of those lost at the local government level.
Women have been losing ground across private-sector industries too. Secretaries and administrative assistants, both female-dominated positions, have been laid off in droves. As employers ask their workers to do more work for the same or less pay in tough times, secretaries have become disposable. Women had lost 925,000 of these jobs as of July, but men had gained 204,000.
But women were stuck in disposable, low-income jobs long before the recession. One of the trends that got Rosin excited is that women dominate many of the industries projected to grow over the next decade, including retail sales and healthcare. Its true that women disproportionately hold retail sales, home health and personal care jobs, all of which are set to see the most growth. But these jobs not only pay poorly and have few benefits; they are also unstable and are poorly protected by labor laws or unionization.
http://collegetimes.us/10-surprising-statistics-on-women-in-the-workplace/ <----much more at link
3. The more education a woman has, the greater the disparity in her wages. This certainly doesnt mean women should shy away from professional positions, but they should be aware that they may have to battle harder for equal pay. Women in professional specialty occupations were found to earn just 72.7% of what men in the same position earned, and women in upper level executive, administrative and managerial occupations earned even less at 72.3%. If you compare this against the average of 77.5%, the numbers speak for themselves, and this graphic from the New York Times makes it even easier to see.
4. Women may work longer to receive the promotions that provide access to higher pay. One example provided by the National Center for Education Statistics shows that women often have to work three years longer in a teaching position to be promoted to a principal than their male counterparts. Some studies suggest that this is because women and men adapt different strategies when it comes to management and pursuing promotions, yet other studies connect it less to work and more to gender-based biases.
3. The more education a woman has, the greater the disparity in her wages. This certainly doesnt mean women should shy away from professional positions, but they should be aware that they may have to battle harder for equal pay. Women in professional specialty occupations were found to earn just 72.7% of what men in the same position earned, and women in upper level executive, administrative and managerial occupations earned even less at 72.3%. If you compare this against the average of 77.5%, the numbers speak for themselves, and this graphic from the New York Times makes it even easier to see.
4. Women may work longer to receive the promotions that provide access to higher pay. One example provided by the National Center for Education Statistics shows that women often have to work three years longer in a teaching position to be promoted to a principal than their male counterparts. Some studies suggest that this is because women and men adapt different strategies when it comes to management and pursuing promotions, yet other studies connect it less to work and more to gender-based biases.
http://www.theglasshammer.com/news/2010/12/21/why-do-working-moms-make-less/
....according to the Cornell study Getting a Job: Is There a Motherhood Penalty, working mothers arent just getting paid less; theyre also being perceived differently. The studys experiments found that mothers were penalized on a host of measures, including perceived competence and recommended starting salary.
Men were not penalized for, and sometimes benefited from, being a parent. The study actually showed that employers discriminate against mothers, but not against fathers. According to Robert Drago, Research Director at the Institute for Womens Policy Research, these differences are a reflection of an even bigger problem.
....according to the Cornell study Getting a Job: Is There a Motherhood Penalty, working mothers arent just getting paid less; theyre also being perceived differently. The studys experiments found that mothers were penalized on a host of measures, including perceived competence and recommended starting salary.
Men were not penalized for, and sometimes benefited from, being a parent. The study actually showed that employers discriminate against mothers, but not against fathers. According to Robert Drago, Research Director at the Institute for Womens Policy Research, these differences are a reflection of an even bigger problem.
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A Woman’s Lifetime Earnings Lost To Pay Gap Could Feed A Family Of Four For 37 Years [View all]
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
OP
Feel free to "trot" out the old debunking arguments... please. Please do so. nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2012
#5
I am not going to lend credence to a report commissioned by the Bush Admin and done by a Rand Corp
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#13
Actually, most studies up to this Randian pretty much supported this stat.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#70
Your own article doesn't support the stat, if you read it carefully. They blazon "77%," but read
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#79
It's not a rand spin-off, it's headed by a former rand employee. somewhat different.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#67
Doesn't matter what you believe, she says it was her choice and there's no particular reason
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#80
And women? I'm a female farmer - one of the most dangerous occupations on any list. nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2012
#18
but men disproportionately perform the most dangerous jobs. that's just a fact.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#60
Mining, farming, fishing, roofing, pay more than comparably skilled safe jobs.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2012
#37
Something wrong with this statistic. For most people, 37 years is about close to a lifetime's work
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#9
In 2010 women who worked full time, year round, still only earned 77 percent of what men earned
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#15
And the men that do the same job (I'm assuming nurses' aide) get the same lousy pay.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#65
Well, there is the rub. A traditional man's job (education and training) will command
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#68
and that's a question that "women only make 77% of what men do" does nothing to advance
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#69
Equal pay for equal work is already the law of the land, and so is non-discrimination in hiring.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#74
and that's where i disagree with you, when you put wage differences in job categories down to
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#73
"holding the same full-time, year-round job" is a misrepresentation, intentional or otherwise.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#81
I agree that nurses aides are underpaid for what they do. That said, they *did* chose to do it.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#93
I didn't say anything like that. They *do* need to feed families, and half of them do it on abysmal
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#21
The disparity between the bottom 20% and the top 20% is larger and has larger ramifications for
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#57
Yes, they're going to hire the woman, but it could just as easily be an h1b male or anyone else
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#78
Now that I read the entire article, I see how duplicitous it is. While trumpeting the lifetime
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#76
I didn't know there were wage gap deniers. And to find one on the DU of all places! nt
Liquorice
Apr 2012
#82