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197. So I get your

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 03:07 AM

Nov 2014

gambling analogy but we are all stuck in this rigged game--even those who don't vote are playing the role expected of them. Not voting, or opting out, whatever-- is not a winning strategy. (I know, I've done it).

Even those who get out there and demand things-- are playing their role and they will be squashed. The Tea Party aligns with the PTB--big diff.

"Get leftists on the ballot". You can try. Likely the corporates won't let them win but you can try. I'm skeptical that will turn things around but it should be tried. The reality of politics is such that the real progressives wont stand much of a chance. Chewed up either before the election or if they do get elected.

Is there another strategy....? One where we're not blaming but learning from the recent past?

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Post mortem thread. Why did we lose? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 OP

because the country is right wing, and has been so for some time still_one Nov 2014 #1

I don't think that's the case and besides, I know that "right wing" isn't one thing. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #4

Wrong, and its way past time to end this deception. In poll after poll the American people sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #165

If we truly believe this...? kentuck Nov 2014 #168

We are not 'on the inside'. WE are not destroying the party. The Third Way/DLC has destroyed sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #176

I agree with you... kentuck Nov 2014 #180

+1 deutsey Nov 2014 #225

You win this thread my friend workinclasszero Nov 2014 #239

Your title indicates that you disagree with me lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #241

If you look closely at what happened in this election, when ISSUES were on the ballot sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #304

voters in *that place*, support *that issue*. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #309

I agree. It's hard to convince people to vote for you if you can't articulate what you stand for. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #294

+1 Not only polls by pollsters, but at the ballot box yesterday. Yes, yesterday. merrily Nov 2014 #303

And we were trying to win seats in right-wing strongholds... n/t sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #5

Wrong! Polling consistently shows that broad swaths of the electorate KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #65

I don't agree. CO, MI, WI are perfect examples, and those are NOT traditionally considered red still_one Nov 2014 #72

Sigh. I don't have links to the relevant polling data, but there are many KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #82

It definitely used to be that way, but a lot of things have changed. Here is a still_one Nov 2014 #91

Oh, puh-leeze. Most Americans couldn't define 'conservative' or 'liberal' to save KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #96

Actually you are proving my point unfortunately. Liberals are far better critical thinkers, and still_one Nov 2014 #106

You do understand that Americans can support a basket of progressive proposals but also KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #113

Sure, "whats the matter with Kansas". We definitely agree and hope Obama does his job and gets the still_one Nov 2014 #117

But I doubt that he will do that.. kentuck Nov 2014 #138

Your attitude, my friend, is exactly why Democrats lost. Really. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #160

And that would be what? kentuck Nov 2014 #164

You don't need 100% Kentuck. But you rarely even ANY percent. I've witnessed your rhetoric. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #189

I don't think I am jabbing my fist in the face of the President. kentuck Nov 2014 #194

I saw a few consistent subjects in Rep ads that I think we need to pay attention to... Red State Rebel Nov 2014 #232

Those are issues that won't go away with reframing. amandabeech Nov 2014 #305

This should go well. morningfog Nov 2014 #2

I'm curious about all theories... at least actionable ones. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #7

$$ and apathy. n/t Freethinker65 Nov 2014 #3

I agree LeftInTX Nov 2014 #19

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #6

I didn't see any gun grab attempts. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #12

Rumors are enough lancer78 Nov 2014 #39

DiFi isn't running this year. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #48

Washington state voted to close the gun show loophole Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #87

I was surprised actually here marlakay Nov 2014 #190

There's the SAFE Act in NY and some of Colorado's new laws derby378 Nov 2014 #276

See, it's THAT type of Rush Limbaugh lie that persuades ignorant Americans to vote Republican. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #112

Failure to embrace progressivism Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #8

So you think marions ghost Nov 2014 #36

I think Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #54

You're absolutely right about articulating values. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #64

There seem to be a lot marions ghost Nov 2014 #70

"Societal Factors" CANDO Nov 2014 #115

You mean the lies? marions ghost Nov 2014 #118

Yeah pretty much lies CANDO Nov 2014 #166

So you tried and you know how hard it is marions ghost Nov 2014 #192

Well for the most part CANDO Nov 2014 #230

How would you suggest they counter marions ghost Nov 2014 #271

Why do you keep parsing my posts? CANDO Nov 2014 #316

And all I'm saying marions ghost Nov 2014 #317

I don't know... CANDO Nov 2014 #318

So you think Democrats lost because they were too extreme? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #136

No marions ghost Nov 2014 #139

Then you don't understand why people sit elections out Scootaloo Nov 2014 #147

I think they sit elections out for many reasons marions ghost Nov 2014 #154

Yes, the game is rigged. How do you beat a rigged game? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #159

Not sure marions ghost Nov 2014 #172

There are two ways Scootaloo Nov 2014 #191

So I get your marions ghost Nov 2014 #197

Feel free to sit on your couch then. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #200

Eh? marions ghost Nov 2014 #203

Well, running moderates and centrists is what we've been trying all this time Scootaloo Nov 2014 #207

Duh marions ghost Nov 2014 #209

The only enemy is apathy Scootaloo Nov 2014 #214

You have to be "inspiring" because people marions ghost Nov 2014 #219

It would GummyBearz Nov 2014 #222

Yes, Dems should not be ashamed of their legacy Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #143

There IS no avenue for Liberals marions ghost Nov 2014 #148

Easily Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #151

OK well bring it here marions ghost Nov 2014 #158

White guys hate the President BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #9

Udall was a white guy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #20

How'd he do with white guys? BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #27

Obama is no more or less black today than he was when he won... twice. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #60

If you don't have an answer, I'd prefer you didn't answer n/t BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #75

I gave my answer. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #85

How did Udall do with non-college educated white males? BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #105

Yes. Like that one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #109

White men are noticeably more right-wing in politics-at least, in terms of voting-than other groups YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #140

That's not an explanation, it's a problem statement. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #240

I am uncomfortable with explicit appeals to the votes of white men as a group YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #252

That is apparent. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #258

they are a demographic, like it or not. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #299

Here's an issue: Men favor Marijuana legalization, statistically, more than women. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #312

The sad reality is that the Senate leader will be an old white guy, just like it is now. BP2 Nov 2014 #21

There does seem to be a problem marions ghost Nov 2014 #46

Political parties don't correct voters, they appeal to them. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #61

If the voters are not hearing you they're not hearing marions ghost Nov 2014 #90

Guys aren't born with a GOP party ID. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #262

+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #49

Yeah, nobody noticed he was black until after this: woo me with science Nov 2014 #73

If he'd only been a TRUE Progressive!!! BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #80

LOL. Way to ignore the point. woo me with science Nov 2014 #97

I knew a lot of Democrats after '08 deutsey Nov 2014 #228

Exactly. The same crowd that refuses to accept that far too many Americans consider Obama to be Number23 Nov 2014 #125

I expect the board will be flooded with such tripe tomorrow BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #128

'Tripe' is an exceptionally kind word for that sort of cluelessness. Number23 Nov 2014 #135

More importantly, polls show consistently that on actual ISSUES, woo me with science Nov 2014 #157

The fact is the majority of Americans consider Obama too liberal. Number23 Nov 2014 #188

Well, now you're simply repeating the same argument I already answered. woo me with science Nov 2014 #206

Your argument is not and has never been coherent. So there's that. Number23 Nov 2014 #283

Based on that logic, we're doomed because ... Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #280

As I said, right or wrong, this is a view that many Americans have of this president Number23 Nov 2014 #285

Whoosh. Obama didn't run yesterday. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #288

Even the president acknowledged that HIS policies were the ones on the ballot Number23 Nov 2014 #290

Easy. I'm all about the conversation. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #298

Your comments cut right to the core. nilesobek Nov 2014 #216

So how was it that this racism that accounts for low turnout woo me with science Nov 2014 #149

The fact that many of those campaign promises marions ghost Nov 2014 #155

There's that word, "miracle" again. It's a neat way to gloss over the actual record and woo me with science Nov 2014 #167

Nice rant marions ghost Nov 2014 #187

What a surreal response. woo me with science Nov 2014 #205

OK stop ranting, and read and hear me marions ghost Nov 2014 #208

It is nonsensical IMO also marions ghost Nov 2014 #145

That's exactly right. In my later post I posted links to polls that say that many Americans Number23 Nov 2014 #152

Right marions ghost Nov 2014 #161

We voted for him thinking he was going to be a liberal. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #242

I did not vote for Obama because I thought he was going to be a liberal Number23 Nov 2014 #286

You think America's stupid... sibelian Nov 2014 #202

One needs to be careful about painting large groups of people with the same brush. TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2014 #231

As I mentioned, a white woman would get the same treatment BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #233

Then you should rephrase the title of you previous post. TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2014 #237

If you only read the title, yes BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #238

We lost because of Netflix and video games. As long as young people BP2 Nov 2014 #10

And what would your solution to the Netflix and video game problem be? TacoD Nov 2014 #247

ah yes DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #11

The only woman I'd blame is the DNC chairwoman. She helped choose the policies. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #31

and to just said that we depend too much DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #41

I blame Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table back in 2006. Pelosi demonstrated thereby KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #104

Because we ran away from our issues. AleksS Nov 2014 #13

Dark money, Citizens United Wella Nov 2014 #14

Right marions ghost Nov 2014 #55

+1 deutsey Nov 2014 #229

1.) It's a 6-year midterm election Hissyspit Nov 2014 #15

It didn't make a difference for Bill in '98. BP2 Nov 2014 #28

You are correct. Hissyspit Nov 2014 #45

The economy was going gangbusters lancer78 Nov 2014 #50

The economy was unbelievable. amandabeech Nov 2014 #306

In Bill's case, 1998 was backlash against the impeachment circus Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #77

Because the GOP massively overreached, trying to impeach him over a blowjob. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #291

Yes, exactly cemaphonic Nov 2014 #184

We didnt have a real choice,our red/purple state candidates said we are really the same libtodeath Nov 2014 #16

Yes, you have to be DIFFERENT from the opposition Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #132

Centrism AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #17

Agreed. Marr Nov 2014 #103

The media plants the idea of the opposition party TwilightGardener Nov 2014 #18

THIS RIGHT HERE! Problem is, Democrats are just as susceptible for the corporate media memes and Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #163

When the President is successfully blamed for Secret Service not protecting him or his family TwilightGardener Nov 2014 #175

Yep. You're right. Today's Washington Post's op-ed about "6 mistakes Obama made" that cost the Dems. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #183

Because the lies have been told enough times now that the voters believe them Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #22

Sorry, but I am going to break rule #2. Brigid Nov 2014 #23

I don't know, but I hope it is because Vattel Nov 2014 #24

None of the above. maced666 Nov 2014 #25

Pretty simple. $1tr to fight ISIS passed with no debate LittleBlue Nov 2014 #26

Winner! Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #83

"26. Pretty simple. $1tr to fight ISIS passed with no debate" Inkfreak Nov 2014 #217

Mostly because we have a main stream media that uses social engineering to get what they want. Rex Nov 2014 #29

A large part of it marions ghost Nov 2014 #101

Maybe there wasn't enough of an agenda to interest the minority vote? Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #32

The numbers were against us too long on the economy. Qutzupalotl Nov 2014 #33

add to it... H. Cromwell Nov 2014 #52

The Cheap Labor Republicans won't be any help there. Qutzupalotl Nov 2014 #119

harry truman said it decades ago: Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a msongs Nov 2014 #34

That's just what I was going to post. dflprincess Nov 2014 #35

Racism KittyKat13 Nov 2014 #37

No, us overusing this claim did not help us. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #84

For the same reason we lost in 2010 LeftInTX Nov 2014 #38

Yep marions ghost Nov 2014 #114

It all goes back offering a contrast quakerboy Nov 2014 #40

You really want to know? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #42

Yes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #62

Alright. Scootaloo Nov 2014 #123

Excellent post BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #179

+ a million. nt laundry_queen Nov 2014 #218

I agree about articulating principle and values. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #263

Hey, scoot. Hoe goes? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #102

Sawright Scootaloo Nov 2014 #127

Its the economy stupid jamzrockz Nov 2014 #43

If that's the case why did Romney not win? Nt maryellen99 Nov 2014 #94

Because putting Romney in charge of money is like putting Jack Sparrow in charge of the rum Scootaloo Nov 2014 #129

Let's hope so nt maryellen99 Nov 2014 #131

Stock market and unemployment TBF Nov 2014 #275

We need to run as LIBERALS. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #44

Fuck it. I still have beer. We'll talk tomorrow. Throd Nov 2014 #47

Maybe a good plan. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #56

Red States, Ebola, ISIS , Black President, Whore Media, and Voters actually WANT that Creepy JI7 Nov 2014 #51

Failure to differentiate ourselves from fu**** republicans workinclasszero Nov 2014 #53

I think you're onto something. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #57

To some extent, we're overthinking this Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #58

If Dems are going to be the "not Republican" party... Barack_America Nov 2014 #59

Fancy that --the Men's Rights crowd blaming women. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #63

I'd be interested in seeing the exit polling. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #67

The problem is that the disadvantaged don't vote. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #69

Well maybe today's winners will represent the disadvantaged. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #74

Most people hate the government and then they vote for geek tragedy Nov 2014 #107

True marions ghost Nov 2014 #110

Married WHITE women skew that result YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #144

Married women - in general - supported Romney lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #243

Reread what I said. Married white women skew that result YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #251

I'd be interested to see any polling that supports what you're saying. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #257

I'm going to add that the left does not have a voice in the media. Look at us - jillan Nov 2014 #66

They Own the Media AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #86

Thanks to Bill Clinton. I don't understand why DU won't listen to me. As must as liberals/Dems bash Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #193

It Has Been That Way Since Reagan Killed the Fairness Doctrine AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #210

Yes, Reagan dismantled the Fairness Doctrine, but deregulation under Clinton killed ANY Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #211

No coherent platform, and some felt kicked out of the tent. Just my opinion. KMOD Nov 2014 #68

Agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #71

.... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #142

+1 Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #81

overusing same messages Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #76

The usual midterm cycle of losing Senate seats. Blaukraut Nov 2014 #78

Doesn't explain our poor performance in Blue State Governorships... brooklynite Nov 2014 #93

Lousy candidates and the reality that white people geek tragedy Nov 2014 #116

Being from Maryland and still in shock, I have several explanations for why Brown lost. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #177

I'm in Maryland, and the Obamacare roll-out was really a problem for Brown. amandabeech Nov 2014 #308

Democrats squandered all their political capital in 2009-2010 by Zorra Nov 2014 #79

They also squandered a lot of political capital attempting to install post-Newtown gun reform Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #98

You really should look forward instead of backward. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2014 #108

I've always found that learning from my mistakes helps me avoid repeating them. Zorra Nov 2014 #133

My theories Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #88

re: #3. We should do more to appeal to those who vote. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #272

Republicans succeeded in getting the people to blame Obama for not getting things done AZ Progressive Nov 2014 #89

Refusal to 'natioanlize' the election to counter Republicans' anti-Obama KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #92

There is no question in my mind is it is because of Ebola, and if President Obama hadn't brought still_one Nov 2014 #95

FEAR JCMach1 Nov 2014 #99

1) Repuglikkkan gerrymandering; lastlib Nov 2014 #100

The R-W media drumbeat of ISIS and Ebola and Obama's "incompetence." Geraldo called these the WinkyDink Nov 2014 #111

yep to the drumbeat marions ghost Nov 2014 #122

Sorry for this but - female candidates in mid terms when voters are flamingdem Nov 2014 #120

If the voters are "old white male farts" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #273

Too many people did not vote. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2014 #121

Vast disenfranchisement- 40,000 in Georgia alone Tsiyu Nov 2014 #124

lack of Democratic turnout was a factor steve2470 Nov 2014 #126

The Dems should have learned from the experience of Labour in Britain Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #130

excellent post laundry_queen Nov 2014 #223

The Democrats did not turn out enough voters YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #134

We lost??? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #137

Our club is more pure now. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #246

1) A debacle of a Democratic president brentspeak Nov 2014 #141

You blame women. Shocking. LeftyMom Nov 2014 #146

If you're not Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, I'm not blaming you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #278

Another factor I would add: the urban-rural divide doesn't favor us in midterms YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #150

Each race had its own reasons frazzled Nov 2014 #153

I hope the explanation is that simple... kentuck Nov 2014 #174

King Charlemagne had a thread a day or two ago.... kentuck Nov 2014 #156

I think you're on an interesting track. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #264

Economic populism should be blueprint for Democrats.. kentuck Nov 2014 #267

Because AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #162

... . 840high Nov 2014 #315

The democrats don't do enough to improve average people's lives. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #169

And if they don't ...? kentuck Nov 2014 #171

oh, I have no doubt we are headed in the direction of having four major parties. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #173

Although the Tea Party is only a place where the Repubs dump their "crazies"... kentuck Nov 2014 #185

no argument here. I agree with you. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #186

A Parliamentary System Gloria Nov 2014 #277

So why would unmarried female voters vote differently than married female voters? alp227 Nov 2014 #170

This is trolling. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #178

Then offer specific information that it was. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #260

It's pretty obvious why we lost Azathoth Nov 2014 #181

WE ARE NOT AS ORGANIZED AT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL AS THEY ARE. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #182

My theory? BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #195

We can thank The Clintons to have mylye2222 Nov 2014 #196

You just had to inject your MRA crap in, didn't you? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #198

No crap. only facts. mylye2222 Nov 2014 #201

You seem to confuse "fact" and "editorial". Easy mistake to make... LanternWaste Nov 2014 #256

Or "crap" for "editorial" for that matter. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #287

It's so simple - because DEMOCRATS are no longer DEMOCRATS Glitterati Nov 2014 #199

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #204

In most places, this was a referendum on the President. Tatiana Nov 2014 #212

We didn't state our accomplishments and were nice little puppy dogs. The Reps had nothing.... kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2014 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2014 #215

We lost because Democrats were afraid to stand on their accomplishments. Vinca Nov 2014 #220

Ask again week from now demwing Nov 2014 #221

People see Obama as a wimp / incompetent, and Democrats as the same. chrisa Nov 2014 #224

IMO because in the US blaming others dominates helping others. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #226

Koch money Bettie Nov 2014 #227

Money cyberswede Nov 2014 #234

If that snip beyotch JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #235

They got more votes than we did. deaniac21 Nov 2014 #236

Jobs....jobs...jobs cap Nov 2014 #244

I'd call it economic populism, but yes. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #245

Because the country sucks right now and we hold the presidency. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #248

Because Americans are afraid and paranoid about everything. Avalux Nov 2014 #249

Like Duh, people didn't vote because of many reasons nolabels Nov 2014 #250

The states up for election in the Senate were red states treestar Nov 2014 #253

Campaigning too much on getting out the vote instead of issues sakabatou Nov 2014 #254

The people wanted change the Democrats offered them "more of the same". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #255

Sometimes they just want change whether it is good or bad LeftInTX Nov 2014 #265

Or, they think anything will be better than the status-quo. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #266

Lost control of the messaging with the media. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #259

Unfortunately, a lot of it has to do with Obama being black Niko Nov 2014 #261

Absolutely! kentuck Nov 2014 #268

so utterly sad, sickening...and true noiretextatique Nov 2014 #279

I suspect your post is intended as satire or snark, but in case it isn't Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #300

Obama's slumping approval rating Awsi Dooger Nov 2014 #269

Maybe pinning our hopes on people who don't vote is a poor strategy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #270

The analysis I heard was that the Dems needed to win over 6% more votes Gloria Nov 2014 #274

Midterm funk. Happens all the time. DCBob Nov 2014 #281

Several reasons, combined: Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #282

Well said. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #284

The party needs to back-burner behavioral issues Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #289

Bingo! kentuck Nov 2014 #295

On point BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #293

The party that is seen as intolerant, rigid, ideologically narrow and strident, generally loses. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #292

stagnant wages/income /lack of upward mobility Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #296

The 6th year into an 8 year presidency ozone_man Nov 2014 #297

The MSM's relentless anti-Democratic pro-Republican propaganda and LibDemAlways Nov 2014 #301

re: "Fraud! Cheating! Vote suppression!": ucrdem Nov 2014 #302

The Pukes figured out customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #307

You forgot Joni Ernst Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2014 #311

Yes, they did have her customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #313

We lost because .... JoeFH Nov 2014 #310

It's the difference between the Tea Party and Occupy Hamlette Nov 2014 #314