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In reply to the discussion: Saw this comment on FB, which pretty well sums up yesterday . . . [View all]Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)3. Basically the last thing I heard from someone on DU I put on ignore recently
was (along with the continued insults and condescension that earned the ignore)
Yeah....but WE decide who WE run.....not Independents...
You can do whatever you want....but don't expect those that know this to be so accepting of your constant criticism of the party....kind of easy to throw stones while standing on a pile of hypocrisy.....
You can do whatever you want....but don't expect those that know this to be so accepting of your constant criticism of the party....kind of easy to throw stones while standing on a pile of hypocrisy.....
along with
Okay....so your an Independent...Right
then you just stepped OUT of the Party again. So you just get to vote for, who WE....the ACTUAL Democrats, decide we want to support with the Primary election..see...this is the point I keep trying to make with Independents...
then you just stepped OUT of the Party again. So you just get to vote for, who WE....the ACTUAL Democrats, decide we want to support with the Primary election..see...this is the point I keep trying to make with Independents...
and
I vote WITH my fellow Democrats...that is WHY we have a Primary election WE decide!!!!
I trust my fellow party members to make the best selection at the time.
I trust my fellow party members to make the best selection at the time.
and here's the heart of the matter
see that is the point...
what independents think of our candidates is not that important to us...its what WE think of the candidates that is...
what independents think of our candidates is not that important to us...its what WE think of the candidates that is...
And that's the arrogance that sums up the loss of the Senate. People who don't care what any other voter thinks of the people they choose to run other than the people they feel are 'Democratic enough'.
I am about as solidly a lefty voter as they come who doesn't simply vote the slate. I'm an "independent" who ends up voting Dem about 95% of the time - and did again last night. But when you don't care about what people like me think, and just run people who are what "Real Dems" want, you lose the Senate. And you lose badly.
It's time for 'Real Dems' to quit plugging their ears to the criticisms of "independents", and start putting up better candidates, who actually are willing to fight FOR something, not simply on the godawful 'We're not so bad' line.
Guess what? Most Americans don't give a crap about 'lesser evil'. They'll vote for people who stand up and tell you what they're FOR, even if that FOR isn't all that good for most of us, rather than people who say 'What the other guy wants to do is sucky for you'.
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Saw this comment on FB, which pretty well sums up yesterday . . . [View all]
markpkessinger
Nov 2014
OP
Exactly! IMO Messaging is the key root cause problem. Democratic messaging is deplorable.
RKP5637
Nov 2014
#2
Basically the last thing I heard from someone on DU I put on ignore recently
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Nov 2014
#3
Change left to right, and all that is exactly what the Tea Party/Right wing says about the GOP. nt
7962
Nov 2014
#24
The tea party's problem is not that they don't correctly point out what I did here
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Nov 2014
#25
My point is that they also view independents as inconsequential. And their opinions.
7962
Nov 2014
#64
Yes they tried to be what the Republican voters wanted instead of what the
A Simple Game
Nov 2014
#65
It's really not difficult. We lost because we were defending Senate seats won in a Presidential year
Recursion
Nov 2014
#15
Democrats are generally intelligent and speak in words of more than one syllable
adigal
Nov 2014
#21
Science, Dignity and Facts. Is there anything fucking else? Is that so fucking hard? Is it too much
Fred Sanders
Nov 2014
#23
Every election I vote in hopes they'll see our support and grow backbones...then disappointment.
feeshbitZ
Nov 2014
#36
We all stand for these things but will not stand with our President openly and passionately...bring
Fred Sanders
Nov 2014
#41
In this day and age of total loss of personal privacy, who knows what some deep digging dug up.
Fred Sanders
Nov 2014
#46
We stand for being sort of like republicans without the rousing dose of crazy.
Ed Suspicious
Nov 2014
#28
They certainly don't stand for the right of all citizens to vote and have our votes be counted...
DesertDiamond
Nov 2014
#54