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In reply to the discussion: A Woman’s Lifetime Earnings Lost To Pay Gap Could Feed A Family Of Four For 37 Years [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)51. One at a time.
Last edited Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:50 AM - Edit history (1)
The first link...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/fact-check-obama-and-equal-pay-for-women/
In 2010, the most recent data available, women on average earned 77.4 cents for every dollar earned by men holding the same full-time, year-round job, according to Census data analyzed by the National Committee on Pay Equity.
In 2010, the most recent data available, women on average earned 77.4 cents for every dollar earned by men holding the same full-time, year-round job, according to Census data analyzed by the National Committee on Pay Equity.
... is a lie.
77% does not measure "the same full-time, year-round job". It measures women's wages in total, against men's wages in total, without correcting for careers, time in service, overtime hours. Nor does it correct for people unemployed or disabled. In this study methodology, a population of three unemployed guys, four disabled guys, two men in prison, one $40,000 ironworker with 20 years on the job who works 40 hours a month of overtime and one $30,000 florist is used to "prove" a pay gap of 25%.
The second link...
http://www.now.org/issues/economic/factsheet.html <----much more information at link
+Women's median pay was less than men's in each and every one of the 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2007.3 Even men working in female-dominated occupations tend to earn more than women working in those same occupations.4
+A study by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) examined how the wage gap affects college graduates. Wage disparities kick in shortly after college graduation, when women and men should, absent discrimination, be on a level playing field. One year after graduating college, women are paid on average only 80 percent of their male counterparts' wages, and during the next 10 years, women's wages fall even further behind, dropping to only 69 percent of men's earnings ten years after college. According to the AAUW report, even after "ontrolling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors normally associated with pay, college-educated women still earn less than their male peers earn. . . . A large portion of the
gender pay gap is not explained by women's choices or characteristics."
+Women's median pay was less than men's in each and every one of the 20 industries and 25 occupation groups surveyed by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2007.3 Even men working in female-dominated occupations tend to earn more than women working in those same occupations.4
+A study by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) examined how the wage gap affects college graduates. Wage disparities kick in shortly after college graduation, when women and men should, absent discrimination, be on a level playing field. One year after graduating college, women are paid on average only 80 percent of their male counterparts' wages, and during the next 10 years, women's wages fall even further behind, dropping to only 69 percent of men's earnings ten years after college. According to the AAUW report, even after "ontrolling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors normally associated with pay, college-educated women still earn less than their male peers earn. . . . A large portion of the
gender pay gap is not explained by women's choices or characteristics."
... would have been great if it had included AAUW's actual finding. Five percent is the actual pay gap after taking out the causative factors that the American Association of University Women deemed attributable to women's choices in 2007. Notice that they haven't repeated this study? See page 18, if you don't believe me.
http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/behindPayGap.pdf
(by the way, there are a number of jobs in which women earn more than men.
The third link is similarly misleading, men still represent the lion's share of the unemployed.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm
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A Woman’s Lifetime Earnings Lost To Pay Gap Could Feed A Family Of Four For 37 Years [View all]
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
OP
Feel free to "trot" out the old debunking arguments... please. Please do so. nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2012
#5
I am not going to lend credence to a report commissioned by the Bush Admin and done by a Rand Corp
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#13
Actually, most studies up to this Randian pretty much supported this stat.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#70
Your own article doesn't support the stat, if you read it carefully. They blazon "77%," but read
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#79
It's not a rand spin-off, it's headed by a former rand employee. somewhat different.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#67
Doesn't matter what you believe, she says it was her choice and there's no particular reason
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#80
And women? I'm a female farmer - one of the most dangerous occupations on any list. nt
riderinthestorm
Apr 2012
#18
but men disproportionately perform the most dangerous jobs. that's just a fact.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#60
Mining, farming, fishing, roofing, pay more than comparably skilled safe jobs.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2012
#37
Something wrong with this statistic. For most people, 37 years is about close to a lifetime's work
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#9
In 2010 women who worked full time, year round, still only earned 77 percent of what men earned
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#15
And the men that do the same job (I'm assuming nurses' aide) get the same lousy pay.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#65
Well, there is the rub. A traditional man's job (education and training) will command
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#68
and that's a question that "women only make 77% of what men do" does nothing to advance
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#69
Equal pay for equal work is already the law of the land, and so is non-discrimination in hiring.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#74
and that's where i disagree with you, when you put wage differences in job categories down to
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#73
"holding the same full-time, year-round job" is a misrepresentation, intentional or otherwise.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#81
I agree that nurses aides are underpaid for what they do. That said, they *did* chose to do it.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#93
I didn't say anything like that. They *do* need to feed families, and half of them do it on abysmal
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#21
The disparity between the bottom 20% and the top 20% is larger and has larger ramifications for
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#57
Yes, they're going to hire the woman, but it could just as easily be an h1b male or anyone else
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#78
Now that I read the entire article, I see how duplicitous it is. While trumpeting the lifetime
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#76
I didn't know there were wage gap deniers. And to find one on the DU of all places! nt
Liquorice
Apr 2012
#82