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marions ghost

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11. OK

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:07 PM

Nov 2014

so these are people who are giving up on the present structure, and they make some logical arguments. They are absolutely right in insisting that it is a rigged game. And how long can you tolerate a rigged game?

This is not so much as voting as about calling for a better vision for government than what we are currently dealing with.

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Why one of my people refused to vote: [View all] grahamhgreen Nov 2014 OP

Ask the what not voting got them next year..... Historic NY Nov 2014 #1

And what did voting get you? Bandit Nov 2014 #7

At least we got to keep our congressman vs a teabagger. Historic NY Nov 2014 #13

Voting got millions of people health insurance. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #55

Self respect. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2014 #77

stupid is as stupid does VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2

This is not a stupid low info person. They have been alienated by third way Dems. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #10

Uh no.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #21

How do we get this person back to the polls? He voted for Obama. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #23

You tell him he gets what he didn't vote against.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #24

That won't do it. How bout we fight for some real change. Kill the Keystone XL, and the TPP? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #25

I don't give a fuck....you tell him the truth.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #26

Well, that's why we're losing. You don't give a fuck about what brings our team to the polls. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #27

fuck no it aint.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #28

You really don't get it? "Centrism" (selling out) is losing votes for us. Understand? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #37

Oh yes....I DO get it....I got it all along....I am the realist...I KNEW the American public was VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #39

Obama asked us to push him. Saying no to the TPP, or Keystone, is easy. No? Well, grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #67

There ya go-- pick out a few things you don't like... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #69

Why would ANYONE want to vote for the neo-con agenda you just defended in your post? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #73

You just don't understand grahamh LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #87

Apparently! We can also play the fear card, they believe foolishly. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #88

While I could nit pick some of the things in the op. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #56

Thanks! I'm sure that they do, which I why I try so hard to convince them of their errors:) grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #68

I feel that even if his points are valid, they are hopelessly naive. Xyzse Nov 2014 #3

"Them" is obviously educated and insightful ... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #4

I agree. The problem is that "they" did not vote. How can we change that? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #22

I worked with a woman who expressed this same... Whiskeytide Nov 2014 #47

So, by not voting, your friend denied the election the quorum needed to be legitimate? gratuitous Nov 2014 #5

Obviously, not a millennial that's ever been hungry... cry baby Nov 2014 #6

Let me say, as a fellow educated millennial... Niko Nov 2014 #8

Welcome to DU wryter2000 Nov 2014 #54

"They pandered to the racist assholes and they lost" -- BINGO LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #85

Pathetic... Spazito Nov 2014 #9

OK marions ghost Nov 2014 #11

I've heard this argument from several well-educated Millennials... polichick Nov 2014 #12

Myself and many millennials feel the system simply needs to crash. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #14

I just don't see how it will crash, at least not until there's nothing left to save... polichick Nov 2014 #15

it would be nice. But when have Americans done anything with foresight since the 60s? Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #16

In many ways the system has already collapsed... polichick Nov 2014 #18

And what comes next? That's the real question. arcane1 Nov 2014 #29

And if everything collapses, those who need change the most will... polichick Nov 2014 #34

No. It won't arise "magically" your looking at a lot of pain misery and death ahead. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #41

Well, a "new system" won't be allowed to arise before that. Hence the "lone nuts," etc... villager Nov 2014 #53

I'm supposed to be impressed this person works at some big name JI7 Nov 2014 #17

How come the Republicans don't do stupid shit like this? treestar Nov 2014 #33

Not upper income. Upper middle class. They work for z living. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #75

While, theoretically, boycotting an election as a form of protest might work ... surrealAmerican Nov 2014 #19

That is exactly IT! Thank you! Boycotting elections to make changes to our system will ONLY BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #84

problem is, even if only the elite bothered to vote, that doesn't help his cause in the slightest 0rganism Nov 2014 #20

Good debate, but I don't see what not voting is going to accomplish. merrily Nov 2014 #30

Ick. I'm deleting this thread. The responses on this thread are incredibly sanctimonious and liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #31

Then why should we read 20 paragraphs of what they want? treestar Nov 2014 #32

How will you govern when the other party is in power? Or do you consider their policies to your bene grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #36

At least I'll have some say treestar Nov 2014 #43

I agree, although my goal is to figure out how to get them to vote Dem again! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #76

If it ain't perfect, it's not worth it. aquart Nov 2014 #35

Some of my fellow Gen-Xers felt the same way until GWB won the second time aikoaiko Nov 2014 #38

It seems easy enough to get them to the poles by offering say, grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #78

Polls, not poles. I think student loan problems have already sent too many to the poles aikoaiko Nov 2014 #91

Well! Chaque amour fi na né!!! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #94

The plan is to make the elite "freak the heck out" so they'll stop exploiting the poor? Orangepeel Nov 2014 #40

It won't work. But how do we get these voters back? grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #79

The corporate elite that your millennial so despises would be delighted at this exchange. Jim Lane Nov 2014 #42

You used the terms "my people" and "my millennials" in your post. MineralMan Nov 2014 #44

That struck me as well tkmorris Nov 2014 #45

Well, I hope we get an answer from the OP. MineralMan Nov 2014 #46

It's not a dorm room, its a workplace. Should be easy for Dems to give these people a reason to vote grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #60

Co-workers. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #59

What industry? It sounds like a non Union workplace. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #62

Cannot disclose. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #64

Are any of your millennials not white, straight men from affluent backgrounds? Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #48

It's not about them. It's about us not providing them something worth voting for. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #58

Tell it to the Marines. I'm a gay person. We got organized in order to take something that Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #61

Doesn't matter. We need to give him something to vote for. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #66

If you tell the parties why you're not voting, it's rebellion. Orsino Nov 2014 #49

Big lofty ideas of an arm-chair intellectual BarackTheVote Nov 2014 #50

How do we get them to vote? I used to get them to donate!!! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #80

Go on the attack BarackTheVote Nov 2014 #93

Wow, he's a bit cynical. louis-t Nov 2014 #51

But enough gloom and doom. BarackTheVote Nov 2014 #52

No political fundraising on Kickstarter, which is for creative projects.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #63

"get in the face of their opponent and call them out on their lies and hypocrisy." That's it. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #65

The kid may be right... whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #57

Basically "Them" is passing on excuses for refusing... TreasonousBastard Nov 2014 #70

Doesn't matter. With them, we won in 2008. When we alienate them, we lose. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #71

Well-educated upper class millenials can afford to not vote I guess. DemocraticWing Nov 2014 #72

Upper middle class. It's not his problem. It's ours. When we give them grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #74

He (or she) makes a lot of sense. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #81

All of these are good solutions:). Especially referendums! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #82

Q: If a tree falls in the forest while nobody is there frazzled Nov 2014 #83

+1000 BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #92

I think he makes OUTSTANDING arguments. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #86

I know. That's why I didn't post it before the elections;) grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #89

cool story! snooper2 Nov 2014 #90