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173. AFAIK, Obama has not committed any crime, high or otherwise.

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:24 PM

Nov 2014

The Constitution requires a crime, not a political disagreement over Obamacare, which Congress duly passed.

Much as some Democrats love to insist that Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job, Clinton indisputably perjured himself on national television. Perjury is a crime. I don't know if it's a high crime or misdemeanor, within the meaning of the Constitution, but it's definitely a crime. So, he got hounded for being a Democratic President with a vicious Republican House, but he got impeached for a crime.

Not only did the House impeach him for it, but the bar authorities of the state that he had governed for 8 years disbarred him for it. (He later applied for reinstatement and got it, but he did get disbarred.) I believe that takes a decision by the bar authorities and by a court.

As an aside, I just read a post of an article saying Obama should welcome impeachment. A Democratic Senate acquitted Clinton, but the Senate is Republican now. So, I don't know how wise that is. Besides, does no one recall how disruptive and distracting impeachment was to Congress, the President and the Executive Branch and therefore the nation? I know Clinton claimed that he compartmentalized perfectly, but he didn't.

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Yep. That's what I posted this morning. cali Nov 2014 #1

K&R! G_j Nov 2014 #2

Me too. Me too. djean111 Nov 2014 #3

Well we will see won't we. upaloopa Nov 2014 #4

such total heaven05 Nov 2014 #112

And it has next to nothing to do with race. obxhead Nov 2014 #187

right heaven05 Nov 2014 #192

Keep hoping for that change. obxhead Nov 2014 #193

well heaven05 Nov 2014 #221

Yep nt meadowlark5 Nov 2014 #5

Who was the first to compromise? LakeVermilion Nov 2014 #6

"Compromise" on chained CPI, TPP and Keystone? With whom? merrily Nov 2014 #73

I heard on the radio there were 20 democratic senators willing to align themselves with JRLeft Nov 2014 #7

UH Chuuku Davis Nov 2014 #25

Keystone Pipeline my bad. JRLeft Nov 2014 #28

It's not a bill. It's a presidential decision. Zen Democrat Nov 2014 #135

It can be put into a bill. former9thward Nov 2014 #172

DC kabuki. All 20 may not ultimately vote with Republicans, but enough to pass it will. merrily Nov 2014 #75

Or they will be Democratic Senators in Red States that HAVE to do it to keep their seats... stillwaiting Nov 2014 #128

That, too. merrily Nov 2014 #130

Folks should worry more about Hillary on these issues than Obama Yavin4 Nov 2014 #8

And where he does surrender SHOULD be made an issue for the 2016 campaign... cascadiance Nov 2014 #30

I agree about local matters, but surrender, capitulate to whom? merrily Nov 2014 #76

He's capitulating on that to other powers that be in Washington... cascadiance Nov 2014 #126

Why would a President capitulate to lobbyists? Especially in his second term? merrily Nov 2014 #133

They both rely on the Ivy League/frat boy/Wall Street crowd for support randr Nov 2014 #31

No, but we want to... daleanime Nov 2014 #42

Yes. I got insulted for posting that our government was never set up as a democracy and is not one. merrily Nov 2014 #79

Yes, because it's been a right wing meme for years.. whathehell Nov 2014 #92

If that means most adults get to vote, then it's a democratic republic. That's still not a democracy merrily Nov 2014 #96

It's not a "pure" democracy, it's a representative democracy.. whathehell Nov 2014 #150

I leave Fox news to those who seem to need the comfort of delusions and illusions. merrily Nov 2014 #152

Why is this important to you? whathehell Nov 2014 #157

NO, I most definitely did not point out merrily Nov 2014 #158

Again, why IS this so important to you? whathehell Nov 2014 #160

Why do you keep posting about it if it's not important to you? merrily Nov 2014 #164

I like calling out fussy little nit picking small picture types like you.. whathehell Nov 2014 #165

It's so adorable that you think you called me out. merrily Nov 2014 #166

LOL whathehell Nov 2014 #169

Back so soon? Not a poster of your word? tsk tsk. merrily Nov 2014 #175

Yes, well you do seem to enjoy the attention, lol, whathehell Nov 2014 #182

At last. Bye! merrily Nov 2014 #189

yep heaven05 Nov 2014 #115

Yep. And some wouldn't recognize a fact if it stood up and gave them an ice cream cone. merrily Nov 2014 #129

No we don't live in a Democracy mdbl Nov 2014 #97

Given last night, it's hard not to think that ship's already sailed: deurbano Nov 2014 #111

Poignant harun Nov 2014 #134

Why more? He is President now. She may never be President. merrily Nov 2014 #66

She will have influence over his positions. n/t Yavin4 Nov 2014 #82

Why? Besides, that's his call. merrily Nov 2014 #84

I'll worry when she runs, and if Obama has said no to all 3 and the Repukes joeybee12 Nov 2014 #104

Exactly where her corporatist/Wall$treet BFFs hifiguy Nov 2014 #108

She isn't president Renew Deal Nov 2014 #170

Exactly. We are truly fucked. NC_Nurse Nov 2014 #9

Fortunately or vis-a-versa, i don't think Obama is that much of a trail blazer nolabels Nov 2014 #10

I completely disagree he is a triangular. JRLeft Nov 2014 #16

I can see why that might or might not be true, i guess we all will get to see in the long run nolabels Nov 2014 #38

Selecting Rahm Emmanuel as CoS and not pushing for Single Payer in health care reform - n/t mazzarro Nov 2014 #74

Or even a strong public option, as was his campaign promise. merrily Nov 2014 #86

If the discussion would have included single payer, a strong public option would have been a breeze. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #131

Another "Democrat" -- Max Baucus made sure that wasn't part of the discussion FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #194

+1! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #219

Blunders of omission and commission. merrily Nov 2014 #120

I diisagree, nolabels. Please see Reply 64. merrily Nov 2014 #80

Oh there will be plenty of �agreements� between the White House and congressional Republicans Autumn Nov 2014 #11

Thanks for the quotation marks! merrily Nov 2014 #83

I don't know what the hell it is. They way they talk about him playing chess Autumn Nov 2014 #88

The chess crowd is not usually the crowd who fears what he might do, though. merrily Nov 2014 #89

You don't get where Obama is by letting people lead you. He plays the game and he plays it well. Autumn Nov 2014 #93

Me, too! merrily Nov 2014 #100

I mourn for what might have been. Autumn Nov 2014 #101

We're on that same page as well. merrily Nov 2014 #105

Ah well, we will see what 2016 brings. One thing for sure I'm not getting Autumn Nov 2014 #114

I live in Boston. It rarely matters how I vote. merrily Nov 2014 #116

Oh I bet you do "understand why". It's very important to some that he be seen as rhett o rick Nov 2014 #195

Yes. One group that will excuse and rationalize away anything and merrily Nov 2014 #197

We are doing ok for food for the holidays. We buy turkeys and hams ahead and rhett o rick Nov 2014 #210

My pleasure. I was interested. You do great work and you seem to have a passion for it. merrily Nov 2014 #211

It's very rewarding to see how hard some people will work to help others. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #213

People usually do work for, and/or donate to, some cause that has touched their lives merrily Nov 2014 #215

Yep newfie11 Nov 2014 #12

If the repubs can keep the rabid right in line, CrispyQ Nov 2014 #13

Agree 100%: Obama will give away a good part of the store alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #14

I agree 100 per cent with what you wrote. We are ballyhoo Nov 2014 #32

Sadly, I agree ballyhoo. dotymed Nov 2014 #52

And Obama was one of its followers. Do you remember him saying ballyhoo Nov 2014 #63

In 2008, both Hillary and Obama put Reagan on their respective lists of 10 best Presidents in merrily Nov 2014 #106

i hic requiem meam ballyhoo Nov 2014 #140

Numquam illegitimi non carborundum! merrily Nov 2014 #141

They won't grind me down....... ballyhoo Nov 2014 #144

Glad to hear it! merrily Nov 2014 #146

Long as there are threads like this where a bunch of folks understand ballyhoo Nov 2014 #149

I believe it was scripted. And well executed. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #132

When one is doing something that, if known, ballyhoo Nov 2014 #143

I see it as a major risk to the nation and possibly the world. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #153

Sorry for the delay. Was hitting punching bag. Yes, ballyhoo Nov 2014 #191

As to TPP, chained CPI and Keystone, though, who is other party to the "compromise?" merrily Nov 2014 #90

That's my fear too. I'm not conddent about his veto pen though. myrna minx Nov 2014 #15

More war, tax cuts? JEB Nov 2014 #17

He has no reason to "make nice" now fadedrose Nov 2014 #18

Obama can't fall for the "I'll be the one playing nice" jimlup Nov 2014 #19

Forgive my accidental illiteration, but this came to me first.. logosoco Nov 2014 #20

He might be sticking to his principles, but they may be different from yours. merrily Nov 2014 #94

CCPI needs poverty exception, and tax loopholes closed. joshcryer Nov 2014 #21

Exactly! President Obama was never serious about CCPI because he knew that Republicans BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #60

It originated from his White House. And what it "needs" is for no Democratic President to merrily Nov 2014 #107

With those caveats, yes. joshcryer Nov 2014 #161

Fuck caveats. No Democratic President should have opened that door. merrily Nov 2014 #163

Obama "put everything on the table" before winning the primaries. joshcryer Nov 2014 #217

Link, please. merrily Nov 2014 #218

Yes, link: joshcryer Nov 2014 #220

I believe this is right on target Samantha Nov 2014 #22

Please see Reply 64. merrily Nov 2014 #113

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #206

The Prez has the perfect excuse now. polichick Nov 2014 #23

ive been saying for a while the pipeline is a done deal. okieinpain Nov 2014 #24

This is EXACTLY what am worried about. I view it ballyhoo Nov 2014 #26

Of course Obama is going to tack to the right taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #27

I agree with all but the last sentence. merrily Nov 2014 #122

I don't think elections are indicative of what the people want. Maedhros Nov 2014 #198

Oh shit. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #29

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http stupidicus Nov 2014 #33

We spend too much time scrutinizing donco Nov 2014 #34

LOL!!!! "PURITY" 2banon Nov 2014 #37

Obama is not a candidate (nor will he ever be one again). He is the POTUS. merrily Nov 2014 #54

All his caving-in instincts will come rushing to the fore... villager Nov 2014 #35

To whom is he caving? merrily Nov 2014 #64

You do know that he's pushing *for* TPP right? villager Nov 2014 #67

Yes, exactly the point of my post: he is the one pushing on all three items, not the one caving. merrily Nov 2014 #68

Ah, I see now. Well, "caving" from the standpoint of what/who we thought we were voting for... villager Nov 2014 #69

On that, seems to me that we're the ones who caved. merrily Nov 2014 #71

Now that the Republicans control all three branches of government there is no telling what hell will GoneFishin Nov 2014 #36

Well said. ballyhoo Nov 2014 #39

hell is comin'. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2014 #55

Well, Obama is a moderate republican. area51 Nov 2014 #40

Watch out. Someone will quote you his exact words, as though there is some huge merrily Nov 2014 #119

Exactly jalan48 Nov 2014 #41

Ding! Ding! Ding! mazzarro Nov 2014 #81

Also, the first Democratic President to pledge cuts to "entitlements" (as well as the first merrily Nov 2014 #118

He will cooperate so as not to be impeached bucolic_frolic Nov 2014 #43

No one is going to impeach him. merrily Nov 2014 #121

You don't impeach your scapegoat/enabler. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #168

AFAIK, Obama has not committed any crime, high or otherwise. merrily Nov 2014 #173

Their problem is that the crimes he's committed (summary execution, rendition), are supported by the grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #180

Ah, but there is precedent for committing those deeds without impeachment or prosecution-- merrily Nov 2014 #181

Why would he treestar Nov 2014 #44

The attack on Public Education and teachers unions will accelerate Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #45

We are so screwed... SoapBox Nov 2014 #46

Yes. And even he agrees with them or compromises, he won't get any credit with the voters. But kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #47

It was inevitable ProSense Nov 2014 #48

Hi! So glad you are back among us. mylye2222 Nov 2014 #58

Well, I just went to his FB page and posted this.. Cha Nov 2014 #49

Last line of defence....we better have his fucking back now, but instead we want to start with the Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #50

Thank you, Fred.. instead they want to join in with the rest of the Vultures. Pick on his bones. Cha Nov 2014 #59

I'll have to agree heaven05 Nov 2014 #117

Mahalo heaven! Cha Nov 2014 #123

Does that mean you are ok with fracking, the TPP, the XL Pipeline, chained CPI? rhett o rick Nov 2014 #196

I wrote to Obama last night marlakay Nov 2014 #51

You shouldn't have to do that? kentuck Nov 2014 #57

For the past 6 years marlakay Nov 2014 #61

Oh no.... workinclasszero Nov 2014 #53

Not exactly Depaysement Nov 2014 #56

PERSPECTIVE, PEOPLE ellennelle Nov 2014 #62

Really? What concessions have we gotten from Republicans? Doctor_J Nov 2014 #155

I agree with Reich sammy750 Nov 2014 #65

Robert Reich and the rest of us, definitely has something to worry about there. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #70

I fully blame the ignorant SOUTH for voting for these GOPers year after year. vkkv Nov 2014 #72

Yup. Damn Iowa crackers. KamaAina Nov 2014 #85

I agreee still_one Nov 2014 #77

I'd be surprised if this were true. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #78

As opposed to military operations without a Congressional vote? merrily Nov 2014 #87

All out war, Lindsay Graham and McCain's dream baby. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #95

That's so 2003. Now, it's "air cover," "advisors," drones, etc. merrily Nov 2014 #102

Dead. On. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #91

all compromises the rw will try to force will be much easier if the left certainot Nov 2014 #98

Read the entire article, including the section entitled "Formal Revocation." merrily Nov 2014 #125

republicon radio made a new FD impossible like it did single payer certainot Nov 2014 #136

No one had to mention it, just simply not put the final nail in its coffin. merrily Nov 2014 #142

How many billions or even trillions do you have to fix that? TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #190

reagan killed the fairness doctrine and they used the subsequent certainot Nov 2014 #227

Still wondering what actions you want to see so you can say it isn't being ignored TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #235

fox is mostly visual reinforcement for talk radio- it can't do the repetition and has to certainot Nov 2014 #236

Well, maybe Obama should be impeached and Uncle Joe can tell them what's what. EEO Nov 2014 #99

why would Republicans now be eager to show they can "work together"? yurbud Nov 2014 #103

To move their agenda and blame it on the Democrats. That was ballyhoo Nov 2014 #145

Obama will be on TV here in a little bit to tell the republicans he's willing B Calm Nov 2014 #109

Yep, exactly what he said. crazylikafox Nov 2014 #138

Which is how we got to this point. He could have driven a stake in that vampire and yurbud Nov 2014 #205

CHILL: I GOT THIS Skittles Nov 2014 #110

Why would anyone expect him to veto things he's promoted? Marr Nov 2014 #124

So maybe he's been playing multi-dimensional chess after all deutsey Nov 2014 #139

Oh, I've no doubt at all. Marr Nov 2014 #148

Sad to say, I agree deutsey Nov 2014 #151

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #127

Kicking....n/t Hotler Nov 2014 #137

Kill the TPP gregcrawford Nov 2014 #147

If Obama has brains (and I'm not sure that he does in this particular area) he will do the following TrollBuster9090 Nov 2014 #154

The Hope for America and Democrats bucolic_frolic Nov 2014 #156

As I recall... kentuck Nov 2014 #159

Very good questions. blackspade Nov 2014 #200

Obama sides with Republicans on a wide range of issues. pa28 Nov 2014 #162

Regarding the chained CPI Babel_17 Nov 2014 #167

I believe in Obama. KittyKat13 Nov 2014 #171

The President wants the government to actually govern. Progressive dog Nov 2014 #174

And the last couple of years have seen what compromise from the GOP? blackspade Nov 2014 #201

Historical realities say that no democracy can survive without Progressive dog Nov 2014 #230

So we go all the way with the GOP then.... blackspade Nov 2014 #231

That may be what you want, Progressive dog Nov 2014 #232

Any why would I want that? blackspade Nov 2014 #233

Our system of government does Progressive dog Nov 2014 #234

If I had to compromise on one of the three, it would be Keystone. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #176

About 50 permanent jobs, I believe. djean111 Nov 2014 #178

I think in a few months, one way or another, a walk through the bog would be very enlightening. n/t A Simple Game Nov 2014 #177

We're going to miss those centrist red state dems IronLionZion Nov 2014 #179

The sequestration, privatization of Federal land and services, and breaking of unions will continue. Hugin Nov 2014 #183

If I were Obama TBF Nov 2014 #184

K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #185

Yep, We're fucked now. obxhead Nov 2014 #186

We have more than 40 Senators. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #188

Won't matter when McConnell nukes the filibuster davekriss Nov 2014 #204

He's gotta suspect this is a two-year deal. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2014 #209

This is the problem with Obama .. he wants to leave this legacy of cooperation with these criminals. YOHABLO Nov 2014 #199

I don't think Obama will sign those disasters to "show he can work with the jackals" Doctor_J Nov 2014 #202

The President customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #203

nailed it frylock Nov 2014 #207

We can speculate all we want Pakid Nov 2014 #208

New Thought.... zentrum Nov 2014 #212

So it's just better for the Democrats to stay home and (as always) put Republicans in office??? nt Sarah Ibarruri Nov 2014 #214

we are right to be wary and nervous hopemountain Nov 2014 #216

Workers PAID for SS Marthe48 Nov 2014 #222

National right to work law INdemo Nov 2014 #223

I totally agree. ReRe Nov 2014 #224

Reich is wrong. The veto pen won't prevent those things. Orsino Nov 2014 #225

Well, corporate money works. Sure as hell drowns out our meager voices. raouldukelives Nov 2014 #226

If Mr. Obama did something that was reversable later Turbineguy Nov 2014 #228

He has done nothing yet and what have we here? Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #229