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3. Crazy Case

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:56 PM

Apr 2012

In any other case regardless of the race of the victim and perp there would have been charges the night of the murder. Zimmerman must have been around the law enough to craft a "defense".

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I Don't Get George Zimmerman's Defenders [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 OP

Just reverse the races Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #1

Crazy Case DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #3

Wait, Zimmerman is white? SaltyBro Apr 2012 #7

Zimmerman is half white Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #16

There is proof that Zimmerman murdered him based on his skin colour? SaltyBro Apr 2012 #19

I'm referring to Zimmerman's defenders, not Zimmerman's actions Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #40

He Became Suspicious Of Trayvon Because Of His Skin Color DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #43

Hispanic is not a race. It is a cultural identity. nt MADem Apr 2012 #39

OK then he's white. Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #41

I understand that's how he identifies. The Sanford PD identified him thusly, too. nt MADem Apr 2012 #44

OK so Zimmerman is a white man. SaltyBro Apr 2012 #46

So you think Zimmerman committed a hate crime? Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #49

Absolutely if he stalked and murdered Trayvon based on his skin colour SaltyBro Apr 2012 #50

Thank you -- so many people don't get that obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #91

He's "white enough" for some of the, ah, classier people discussing this. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #132

Just out of curiosity what does that mean? Generic Other Apr 2012 #185

The term's not an absolute; people who're going to think in those terms will shift it around Posteritatis Apr 2012 #186

The goal post usually doesn't move in the direction of inclusiveness though Generic Other Apr 2012 #187

My point is that it technically isn't moving that way Posteritatis Apr 2012 #189

For some people, that's the point. TheWraith Apr 2012 #2

Some are merely protecting system that allows this type thing, bigotry, SYG, relaxed gun laws, etc. Hoyt Apr 2012 #8

Your continued obsession with guns and gun owners is always appreciated. TheWraith Apr 2012 #62

Zimmerman would have gotten away with it if Martin's family had not raised a huge stink.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #81

You mean the poll that shows majority oppose guns in church, workplace, stores, etc. Hoyt Apr 2012 #88

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson called for Zimmerman to be arrested. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #4

That's One Of Zimmerman's Defenders Red Herrings DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Apr 2012 #94

How about defending your rights? Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #6

What Part Of DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #9

The part where you turn it into street justice. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #11

Where In My Posts Did I Say He Should Be Denied Due Process Or Subject To "Street Justice" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #14

You found him guilty already Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #20

No. Because I'm Not Sitting On The Jury DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #23

Okay, I can deal with that kind of talk. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #25

I Am Just Sharing My Opinion On A Bulletin Board DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #28

There are probably people out there that never heard of Zimmerman. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #42

Personally, I think he'll be found guilty. bayareamike Apr 2012 #13

hm... bigapple Apr 2012 #10

Didn't The Dispatcher Ask Zimmerman Not To Follow Martin? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #12

yup bigapple Apr 2012 #15

If Martin Made Zimmerman Fear For His Life Why Did He Follow Him? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #21

according bigapple Apr 2012 #26

Remember Zimmerman Was Not Wearing A Uniform DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #31

yup bigapple Apr 2012 #37

Again. There Is Prima Facie Evidence That Zimmerman Used Lethal Force Against An Unarmed Person DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #45

yes bigapple Apr 2012 #51

Seems to me the only person that night with the right to defend himself was Martin. baldguy Apr 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #17

why bigapple Apr 2012 #22

Zimmerman Is The One Who Used Lethal Force After He Followed Trayvon Martin And Confronted Him DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #27

well bigapple Apr 2012 #30

If Zimmerman's Head Was Beaten Into The Ground Why Was There No CT Scan Or Hospitalization? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #35

maybe bigapple Apr 2012 #47

Do You Find It Peculiar That Somebody Who Had Their "Head Bashed In" Would Decline Medical Treatment DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #53

I'm sure bigapple Apr 2012 #56

you keep digging for excuses.. frylock Apr 2012 #126

what part is unbelievable? bigapple Apr 2012 #135

the part where you continue to invent scenarios that favor zimmerman.. frylock Apr 2012 #172

you should know that you have it backwards hfojvt Apr 2012 #60

Being A Resident Of Twin Lakes And A Neighborhood Watch Official DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #90

Zimmerman apologists are all racist shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #18

perhaps bigapple Apr 2012 #24

Yeah right shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #29

not really bigapple Apr 2012 #32

they have already changed stories multiple times , should we not judge Bush JI7 Apr 2012 #33

Bush, Cheney et al will never face justice SaltyBro Apr 2012 #48

Do You Follow Strangers Around At Night And What Is Their Reaction? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #34

no I don't bigapple Apr 2012 #52

No But It Is Certainly Imprudent DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #54

Martin had the right to "stand your ground" bigapple Apr 2012 #58

Considering that Martin is the one who's dead ... I think that qualifies as "grevious harm". baldguy Apr 2012 #65

but bigapple Apr 2012 #86

Still trying to defend Zimmerman? baldguy Apr 2012 #177

i think one might reasonably fear an altercation at that point.. frylock Apr 2012 #128

but bigapple Apr 2012 #136

Yes. Of course one could. uppityperson Apr 2012 #140

based bigapple Apr 2012 #146

History. For me, being female, different history than being young and black. uppityperson Apr 2012 #150

so bigapple Apr 2012 #157

Whoosh go the goal posts. It depends on the situation. uppityperson Apr 2012 #159

what goalposts? bigapple Apr 2012 #162

No, you ask "could one be in reasonable fear of mortal harm just because someone is following you?" uppityperson Apr 2012 #164

but bigapple Apr 2012 #167

Yes, he had the right. It doesn't mean he did. The only evidence of this is Zimmy's changing story. uppityperson Apr 2012 #182

is this supposed to be some zen bullshit? frylock Apr 2012 #142

maybe bigapple Apr 2012 #145

at which point SYG is no longer valid.. frylock Apr 2012 #149

it would be simple self-defense. bigapple Apr 2012 #155

Whoosh go the goal posts. uppityperson Apr 2012 #158

i don't believe for a damn second that Z's head was being pounded into the ground.. frylock Apr 2012 #166

other than bigapple Apr 2012 #168

are you stating that a police WITNESSED zimmerman having is head beat into the ground? frylock Apr 2012 #170

You mean the police reporting what Zimmy told them? That "evidence"? uppityperson Apr 2012 #184

If His Head Was Concussed Why Didn't He Seek Medical Treatment? (Reprise) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #169

It depends what the responsibility pipoman Apr 2012 #66

This Is Where The Pro Zimmerman Crowd Throws Up Smoke DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #69

I had someone detained by police for following me around at night obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #93

maybe bigapple Apr 2012 #104

Following someone at night with a loaded gun shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #57

dumb bigapple Apr 2012 #59

It Became Illegal When He Shot An Unarmed Kid In The Chest DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #83

actually bigapple Apr 2012 #85

That could be, but then the person wouldn't be a treestar Apr 2012 #82

Define Zimmerman apologist, please. Skip Intro Apr 2012 #113

Attacking George Zimmerman for his actions steps directly on a fantasy the NRA uses applegrove Apr 2012 #36

I don't know if he's guilty of a crime, but I know that what he did was wrong slackmaster Apr 2012 #38

Come on now, you get it! rufus dog Apr 2012 #55

What don't you get? hfojvt Apr 2012 #61

What happened between "confronted" and "killed" was Martin trying to defend himself. baldguy Apr 2012 #64

Martin Was Armed With A Bag Of Skittles And A Can Of Arizona Ice Tea DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #70

Defending himself against what? Taitertots Apr 2012 #74

What evidence has come out to support your assertion Trayvon "striking first"? uppityperson Apr 2012 #122

Perhaps Zimmerman Isn't The Only "Profiler" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #181

trayvon didn't shoot first either.. frylock Apr 2012 #130

there bigapple Apr 2012 #139

wow, no shit? frylock Apr 2012 #144

it bigapple Apr 2012 #147

Zimmy refused aid at the scene and that was put in a report later, not initially. uppityperson Apr 2012 #153

full service laundry too.. frylock Apr 2012 #154

cleaned up bigapple Apr 2012 #156

cleaned up blood from a broken nose and shooting a guy perched on his chest.. frylock Apr 2012 #165

Sounds Like OJ Getting Rid Of His Blood Stained Clothes DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #171

See Above. Rufus Answered It DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #68

What is not to get? Taitertots Apr 2012 #67

I Believe The Independent Evidence Which Points To His Guilt And Not His Uncorroborated Statements DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #71

None of those things would indicate that he is guilty Taitertots Apr 2012 #73

Did You Expect Zimmerman To Just Say DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #76

Murderers Always Make Stupid, Self Serving Claims Because Their Victims Can't Testify DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #77

Ok, now do you have any evidence that disproves any of his claims? Taitertots Apr 2012 #78

We Have The Testimony Of His Girlfriend Where Trayvon Says He Is Being Stalked DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #79

You are incorrectly using the term "Stalked" Taitertots Apr 2012 #84

Do You Have Any Independent Evidence That Zimmerman Was Retreating? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #89

I Guess It Depends On What The Meaning Of Is, Errrr, Stalk, Is DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #95

Zimmerman witnessed the events and nothing disproves his account n/t Taitertots Apr 2012 #96

He Was An Actor In The Event. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #98

His actions never reached the legal definition of stalking Taitertots Apr 2012 #101

How Is The Recommendation Of A Police Official Irrelevant ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #106

for goodness sake bigapple Apr 2012 #109

Because you are under no obligation to follow their suggestions n/t Taitertots Apr 2012 #110

If He Followed Their Suggestion There Would Be One Less Dead Black Kid DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #173

Zimmy Wouldn't Be In A Jail Cell Crying Himself To Sleeep DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #190

Man, Is That Weak ProfessorGAC Apr 2012 #119

+++++ uppityperson Apr 2012 #124

Travon had every right to stand his ground bigapple Apr 2012 #87

Was Martin riding a unicorn made of jelly beans? We don't know Taitertots Apr 2012 #92

Do You Have Any Evidence Beside George Zimmerman's Testimony That Martin Attacked Him DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #97

ok bigapple Apr 2012 #99

Daniel Webster And His Successors Disagree With You DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #102

fortunately bigapple Apr 2012 #107

Yes. And That's Why George Zimmerman Is Crying Himself To Bed At Night In A Seminole County Jail DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #111

Daniel Webster And His Successors Disagree With You DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #102

No, it doesn't need to be repeated. Once-off following can be stalking. uppityperson Apr 2012 #125

You are incorrectly calling his actions "stalking" Taitertots Apr 2012 #105

Zimmy's "testimony is perfectly valid evidence"? Seriously? A defendant's testimony is uppityperson Apr 2012 #127

We Should Just Let Every Defendant Go Because They All Or Almost All Say They Are Innocent.. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #174

You got it! Amazing, isn't it? uppityperson Apr 2012 #183

Ok, now do you have any evidence that proves any of his claims? uppityperson Apr 2012 #123

I don't defend Zimmerman per se but ctaylors6 Apr 2012 #80

You lost me at "certainly not guilty". ieoeja Apr 2012 #114

What did Zimmerman do that gave Martin legal justification to attack him? n/t Taitertots Apr 2012 #115

"Provoke" and "legal justification" are two different things. ieoeja Apr 2012 #116

but bigapple Apr 2012 #118

I think I see where you're coming from. ieoeja Apr 2012 #121

What proof is there that Tray attacked him?Beyond his "testimony is perfectly valid evidence" uppityperson Apr 2012 #129

you don't know that martin attacked zimmerman.. frylock Apr 2012 #133

martin's parents, the prosecuter, and circumstantial evidence.. frylock Apr 2012 #131

ok bigapple Apr 2012 #134

You mean when Trayvon's mom clarified what she meant by "accident" when she realized she wasn't uppityperson Apr 2012 #137

i've seen the video.. frylock Apr 2012 #138

you're the one bigapple Apr 2012 #141

oh really bigapple Apr 2012 #143

did they launder his shirt as well? frylock Apr 2012 #148

First aid responders do laundry? Wow. Ours don't. I've got to move to Florida uppityperson Apr 2012 #152

hey look bigapple Apr 2012 #160

I see a depression that looks old. No blood. No bandage. No welt. uppityperson Apr 2012 #163

LOL. This thread attracted a few Zimmerman defenders. Solomon Apr 2012 #72

If it were their child..... JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #75

He definitely looks really guilty to me, ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #100

You're presuming that he profiled, stalked and confronted. Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #108

"Zimmerman Defender" seems an unfair term to me. Skip Intro Apr 2012 #112

"Zimmerman Denial" Hasn't Reached The Level Of Holocaust Denial (Yet) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #176

well-said Vattel Apr 2012 #180

It is easy to understand: they are RACIST, pure and simple. LaydeeBug Apr 2012 #117

I get them. Iggo Apr 2012 #120

Presumed innocent in the court of law... WillParkinson Apr 2012 #151

thank you bigapple Apr 2012 #161

You Should Petition Skinner To Prohibit All Zimmerman Threads Since We Don't Have All The Facts DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #175

For what reason? WillParkinson Apr 2012 #178

Based On The Evidence In The Public Domain The Profiling Aspect Gives It A Particularly Noxious Feel DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #179

Hey, Bush was sure there were WMD's in Iraq and I give him the benefit of doubt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #188