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True Blue Door

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Thu Nov 6, 2014, 03:54 AM Nov 2014

It looks increasingly like Rick Scott's win is illegitimate. If so, what do we do? [View all]

DU user Hissyspit brought a very important Bill Moyers article to our attention illustrating some of the races where it looks like - or is close to looking like - vote suppression may have produced an illegitimate result. The most significant is the Florida Governor race, where it appears the margin of victory for Rick Scott is easily within the range of apparently disenfranchised voters.

If that proves to be the case, we need to emphasize what that means: It's not some mere technicality that taints the political mandate of a victor - it would mean that come inauguration day, Scott would be an unelected local tyrant whose acts carry no legal authority, but who is acting outside the law with the complicity of other officials. Meanwhile, it would also mean that his opponent, Charlie Crist, is the legitimate Governor-elect.

If, as time goes on, we find that Scott's official election was indeed illegitimate, what can we - and more importantly, Floridians - do with that information? One of the things that struck me about the aftermath of the 2000 Presidential election was the obsequious willingness of Democrats - and not just officials, but Democrats in general - to just accept a lawless Supreme Court verdict and surrender both the truth, justice, and democracy in service to some mirage of social harmony. Al Gore's surrender was particularly disgraceful, and the fact that most Democrats apparently wanted it was the most disgraceful thing of all, so a decade and a half later we all should reasonably demand more of ourselves and our party than that.

The government of a state, particularly one as large as Florida, is no less important than that of the whole nation, and in fact has more direct impact on people's lives. If it proves out that Rick Scott defrauded the election through his vote suppression schemes, then Florida Democrats need to (a)say so loudly and publicly, (b)demand their officials say so and act accordingly, (c)support whatever court cases need to ensue, and (d)when The Five fascist revolutionaries on the US Supreme Court declare Scott the winner regardless of what evidence is presented to them, they need to have a plan beyond that for civil disobedience and state-level political Cold War. Charlie Crist will probably not be much help, but it should be sought and demanded anyway.

Now, what do I mean by point (d)? Simply, Democrats in the Florida legislature would refuse to recognize Scott's authority, as would Democrats on every political level of the nation, and as would Democrats in the Florida Executive branch. Those on the state and local level would find as many ways as possible to publicly demonstrate this refusal of recognition and cause highly organized and disruptive spectacles. They would issue one demand, and it would be an absolute one: Rick Scott resigns and a special election be held with all legitimate voters allowed to vote. If that sounds radical, it isn't - we just live in such a politically enfeebled era that basic American citizenship sounds extreme.

If Scott is found illegitimate and this doesn't happen, then there is no Florida Democratic Party and the rank and file members of whatever it is that calls itself that would need to create one immediately within the fake one and take the mentioned steps. The same could be said for any other state where the same thing happens. But, of course, I reiterate that it is not yet proven that Scott's alleged victory is illegitimate - just highly likely.

I'm actually very relieved that - notwithstanding major concerns about the North Carolina Senate seat - that it doesn't appear (preliminarily) that the Senate flip is illegitimate. Resisting an illegitimate legislature is a much more nebulous strategic question than resisting an illegitimate Executive leader. Opposing an unelected Governor is far simpler in terms of political strategy and tactics.

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If only... Last_Stand Nov 2014 #1
I wish the very best of luck, True Blue Door! Cha Nov 2014 #2
If I were a rethuglican... Lunabell Nov 2014 #3
Challenge every election where this is the BlueMTexpat Nov 2014 #4
Challenge anyway. Put it in the record. nt mariawr Nov 2014 #18
Not seeing it. simak Nov 2014 #5
What if that innocent black man wasn't convicted? nxylas Nov 2014 #6
Was he refused a provisional ballot? simak Nov 2014 #12
The information is easily obtainable if you want it nxylas Nov 2014 #14
Thanks for the warm and helpful welcome. N/T simak Nov 2014 #17
lol, don't worry, it gets worse if you speak your own mind, NM_Birder Nov 2014 #20
Well, you are under the wrong impression. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #25
Actually, that post seems to show that I was correct. simak Nov 2014 #29
They are counted if the voter is eligible. Dr. Strange Nov 2014 #48
I think you've misunderstood. This isn't strictly about felons. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #7
Actually... simak Nov 2014 #15
What do felons have to do with the topic here? dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #13
The Moyers article doesn't match this post. simak Nov 2014 #21
I still hate the idea of felons losing the right to vote. F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #36
We can agree to disagree. simak Nov 2014 #78
Voter suppression is one issue...but.... Sancho Nov 2014 #8
We lost. It's time to accept that. badtoworse Nov 2014 #9
It's time we accepted inconvenient facts - ones that DON'T involve surrendering. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #37
It's time we accepted inconvenient facts: I couldn't have said it better myself. badtoworse Nov 2014 #42
That's not an inconvenient fact, or a fact at all. That's absolute Vichy bullshit. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #43
OK, you've convinced me - it was stolen. badtoworse Nov 2014 #50
I didn't say it was stolen. I said the facts appear to be leaning in that direction. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #60
And here you are again telling members what to do. GGJohn Nov 2014 #56
The inconvenient fact is that you didn't read the Bill Moyers article. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #59
I did read the article, so I'll thank you to not tell me what I did or didn't do. GGJohn Nov 2014 #64
So you're here to express yourself, not accomplish anything? True Blue Door Nov 2014 #66
What I do IRL has little to do with what I do on the internet. GGJohn Nov 2014 #67
Thank you Mr. Gore. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #52
nothing, like we always do Doctor_J Nov 2014 #10
If nothing happened in 2000 deutsey Nov 2014 #16
That was Mark Crispin Miller's take at the time Doctor_J Nov 2014 #30
"Will happen"...you talk as if you aren't involved in the process. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #38
Nope, just the world-weary observation of someone who's been in the fight deutsey Nov 2014 #46
If you're world-weary, then take a break from politics. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #62
Lol deutsey Nov 2014 #80
Right, I'm a scold because I don't buy into some mopey adolescent emo attitude. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #81
I have no idea who you are deutsey Nov 2014 #82
This isn't about you, or me. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #83
Be real. Nothing will happen. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #11
Your comment is of zero value. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #39
Tough, it's the truth. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #53
No, it's you doing nothing and demanding that others do nothing too. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #61
Got a link that she is demanding that others do nothing? GGJohn Nov 2014 #71
Then go ahead and do something. I am not stopping you. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #76
Indeed, you are not stopping me. Just annoying me. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #79
Tough, I simply have a more realistic view of things. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #84
No, you don't. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #85
Every state has rules that govern who can vote. Calista241 Nov 2014 #19
The issue isn't those rules, it's how those rules were enforced el_bryanto Nov 2014 #28
You need to collect the names of actual people who were incorrectly disenfranchised muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #22
Like this person. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #27
About half of DU would want to do something about it. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #23
We need to stop predicting what other people will or won't do True Blue Door Nov 2014 #41
It would be expensive to prove - but worth it. nt el_bryanto Nov 2014 #24
Nothing will be done Bettie Nov 2014 #26
Pretty much impossible to prove that the Florida election was swung by the new eligibility rules onenote Nov 2014 #31
Scott's Voter Purge HockeyMom Nov 2014 #32
MANY OF US HERE IN FLORIDA ARE Wondering Too! ChiciB1 Nov 2014 #33
I knew it wouldn't be difficult to find because they would have to go big Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #34
Gene Sharp's 198 Methods of Nonviolent Resistance and The Anti Coup mahina Nov 2014 #35
Thanks! Sounds like useful reading. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #40
If that's the case, I feel like his wasn't the only one illegitimate. Independent_Liberal Nov 2014 #44
I get where you're coming from. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #45
One thing I've learned over the past couple years... Independent_Liberal Nov 2014 #49
While I cannot do anything about the Congress, HockeyMom Nov 2014 #54
Definitely. I guess I just don't get the "Emo-crat" wing of our side of the spectrum. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #65
If Rick Scott were to resign, Freddie Stubbs Nov 2014 #47
I'll take my chances. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #51
I like the concept of the Dems in the state legislature marions ghost Nov 2014 #55
How would that work? onenote Nov 2014 #57
Suppressed votes marions ghost Nov 2014 #63
Interesting theory, GGJohn Nov 2014 #68
Don't know marions ghost Nov 2014 #74
But how does the Democrats "stopping work" stop anything? onenote Nov 2014 #69
That's the problem-- marions ghost Nov 2014 #72
It is a problem. But an even bigger problem is people choosing not to vote onenote Nov 2014 #75
When it comes down to these critical counts marions ghost Nov 2014 #77
Ultimately it is still all about getting people to want to vote. onenote Nov 2014 #86
Smoke 'em if ya Gollum Blue Owl Nov 2014 #58
Ask Zorra Nov 2014 #70
Good idea marions ghost Nov 2014 #73
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