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Doctor_J

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30. That was Mark Crispin Miller's take at the time

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 09:10 AM

Nov 2014

The prevailing wisdom at the time was, "well, they got away with this one, they know we're onto them, they won't do it again". Prof. Miller said, "they now know that they can steal elections with impunity and it will just ramp up from here". Then came Max Cleland 2002 and Ohio 2004, and it just goes on. Amazing.

IMO things would have been much different if the "Brooks Bros rioters" had been mowed down with automatic weapons when they stormed the 2000 recall. By demonstrating that harsh penalties would be imposed on those stealing democracy, the FL dems could have changed the course of history. Revolutions are messy.

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Actually... simak Nov 2014 #15

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It's time we accepted inconvenient facts: I couldn't have said it better myself. badtoworse Nov 2014 #42

That's not an inconvenient fact, or a fact at all. That's absolute Vichy bullshit. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #43

OK, you've convinced me - it was stolen. badtoworse Nov 2014 #50

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And here you are again telling members what to do. GGJohn Nov 2014 #56

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I did read the article, so I'll thank you to not tell me what I did or didn't do. GGJohn Nov 2014 #64

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What I do IRL has little to do with what I do on the internet. GGJohn Nov 2014 #67

Thank you Mr. Gore. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #52

nothing, like we always do Doctor_J Nov 2014 #10

If nothing happened in 2000 deutsey Nov 2014 #16

That was Mark Crispin Miller's take at the time Doctor_J Nov 2014 #30

"Will happen"...you talk as if you aren't involved in the process. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #38

Nope, just the world-weary observation of someone who's been in the fight deutsey Nov 2014 #46

If you're world-weary, then take a break from politics. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #62

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Be real. Nothing will happen. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #11

Your comment is of zero value. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #39

Tough, it's the truth. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #53

No, it's you doing nothing and demanding that others do nothing too. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #61

Got a link that she is demanding that others do nothing? GGJohn Nov 2014 #71

Then go ahead and do something. I am not stopping you. Katashi_itto Nov 2014 #76

Indeed, you are not stopping me. Just annoying me. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #79

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No, you don't. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #85

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Thanks! Sounds like useful reading. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #40

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I get where you're coming from. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #45

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I'll take my chances. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #51

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How would that work? onenote Nov 2014 #57

Suppressed votes marions ghost Nov 2014 #63

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Don't know marions ghost Nov 2014 #74

But how does the Democrats "stopping work" stop anything? onenote Nov 2014 #69

That's the problem-- marions ghost Nov 2014 #72

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When it comes down to these critical counts marions ghost Nov 2014 #77

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