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Puzzledtraveller

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64. Our continuing to think this way will guarantee us more defeat in the future.

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 11:20 AM

Nov 2014

Many people turned against us this time, even if the turnout was low, blaming white men and not actually believing we lost some of our own on the way to this mess is living in the 9th circle of denial. Too often on here it is touted how things are better, the DOW is skyrocketing, look at me, my premium went down, but it's all echoes and if it does not reflect the reality for the vast majority of voting Americans we can kiss 2016 goodbye now. Get out of your own personal echo chamber, discard your pride and listen to what people have to say without calling them stupid.

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"Revenge of the White Male Voter" [View all] applegrove Nov 2014 OP

And white men hate being told there is a race problem in the Republican Party. applegrove Nov 2014 #1

As a white man GummyBearz Nov 2014 #18

I was talking about white males in the Republican Party. The ones applegrove Nov 2014 #23

I never GummyBearz Nov 2014 #24

We agree I think. We both don't want to see broad brushstrokes applegrove Nov 2014 #25

White men who voted for Mia Love in Utah yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #55

NO, it cant be. Obama's policies are as mainstream as you can get, ACA was a rightwing idea randys1 Nov 2014 #76

Richard M. Nixon proposed something very like the ACA hifiguy Nov 2014 #104

since when do our elected officials hfojvt Nov 2014 #106

You dont think average teaparty dipshit doesnt perceive ACA as Obama telling HIM randys1 Nov 2014 #130

maybe they just see an employee hfojvt Nov 2014 #132

Wicked burn GummyBearz Nov 2014 #133

Bullshit, the policy they couldnt keep are policies that were sold AFTER the law went randys1 Nov 2014 #134

So wrong GummyBearz Nov 2014 #137

Not possible...If it didnt meet the ACA qualifications there was a good reason for that randys1 Nov 2014 #139

Again, you're wrong as applied to my case. GummyBearz Nov 2014 #141

I gave you the facts, your policy was NOT cancelled unless it didnt qualify..period randys1 Nov 2014 #142

I am so sick of this race argument bullshit AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #116

97% of ALL opposition to Obama from the right has to do with skin color and Muslim name randys1 Nov 2014 #129

except the same was true of Clinton hfojvt Nov 2014 #131

All true and same will happen to any Dem in 2016 as these are immature assholes, but randys1 Nov 2014 #135

LOL Puddy Nov 2014 #59

Where in All people should be revered did you get WhiteTara Nov 2014 #126

Whenever one tries to point out the latent and not-so-latent racism in the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #31

Black kids get traumatized by racism applegrove Nov 2014 #33

The human and societal costs of racism (and other 'isms' founded on KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #36

The disconnect is based in vocabularly. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #38

Damn, either I'm really tired (I am) or you are too brilliant by half for me. But KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #40

You're just tired. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #41

Thanks. Meant no disrespect, just that my head was spinning. And now your KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #42

I took no offense. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #43

Or worse, to use it only in the social power sense - explicitly rejecting any other definition. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #70

From the same exit poll data` OnlinePoker Nov 2014 #81

yep LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #2

Silly. Male white priviledge issue is a wedge issue. It makes applegrove Nov 2014 #3

"they are perfect in their own minds" hfojvt Nov 2014 #6

I know it is not an attack on all white males. But many will feel applegrove Nov 2014 #8

it is? hfojvt Nov 2014 #58

Or maybe they think they are actually inferior Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #82

quite possibly hfojvt Nov 2014 #105

That shtick wins the election every time, on tumblr. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #92

I'd say that people who are attacking them, are attacking them. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #9

I am a white male AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #34

You can never get through to them. upaloopa Nov 2014 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #108

You continue to miss the point. uppityperson Nov 2014 #110

Geez Amanda, you make it sound like that wasn't your intent all along. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #4

I heard this on NPR this a.m. Seems angry old white men outperformed all of us. Sleeping giant? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #5

40% of the single women who turned out to vote, picked (R). lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #12

Apparently they love being repressed in a male dominated society. Yet another of RKP5637 Nov 2014 #14

The Dems need to clarify why single women should support them spooky3 Nov 2014 #29

too true. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #60

It's like cozying up to the boss loyalsister Nov 2014 #83

Yes, agree! Also, some of it is almost like the Stockholm Syndrome. RKP5637 Nov 2014 #86

Yep loyalsister Nov 2014 #90

It does, doesn't it. I just can't believer we are in the 21st century and this is still going on. nt RKP5637 Nov 2014 #97

There is such a thing as wealthy single women treestar Nov 2014 #52

I imagine that there are republicans who are equally surprised... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #66

Correct except for the Russian lollipops. All things Putin are pure and good per the GOP. freshwest Nov 2014 #45

Oops! You're right. I forgot. Putin pure & good. Got it! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2014 #74

Yeah, these White Privilege Men will rejoice when the Republicans thank them by ramming.. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #7

What a Hobson's choice. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #11

Oh, I see. MRA's are pivoting their messaging. boston bean Nov 2014 #47

I'm glad you're finding the election results amusing. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #65

They vote for people who impoverish them AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #35

Wendy Davis lost among women voters by a 9 point margin. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #10

Yeah, but that's gun totin', Bible quotin' Texas. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #27

"gun totin', Bible quotin'" describes a fairly large chunk of our nation 0rganism Nov 2014 #30

if you take away the white male vote, Democrats didn't do that bad at all bluestateguy Nov 2014 #13

This analysis is goofy, and specious. Like there aren't White Men on, say, the West Coast- where our Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #15

And like there aren't white men in red states who vote Democrat. Iris Nov 2014 #21

Tossing "White Male Voter" around like it's an insult- does she really think that's a good strategic Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #28

Only while, tossing aroung "all female voters in a derogatory fashion. boston bean Nov 2014 #48

I think her analysis is just wrong, for starts. I dont think that was what this election was about. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #50

Exactly, so...... boston bean Nov 2014 #51

Talk to Amanda Marcotte. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #75

I don't talk to Amanda Marcotte, anyhow, I doubt it is she boston bean Nov 2014 #84

Okay, but the OP is about the "White Male Voter" Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #87

I don't know. But pretty sure it wasn't dur boston bean Nov 2014 #89

I think you and I are having two separate conversations, here. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #91

Democrats? Not really. Amanda Marcotte? Yes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #67

I totally misread your post. I'm sorry. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #39

huh? I was saying there are plenty of white men in red states who vote Democrat.I live with one and Iris Nov 2014 #46

Why dems lost and why white rightwing racist males voted are two entirely different things randys1 Nov 2014 #77

Oh Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #79

The person should have said republican or rightwing because I assume that is what she meant, clearly randys1 Nov 2014 #80

Well, I don't think insulting groups of people is a good way to get them to vote for you Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #85

Succinct reply Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #95

I agree. I also think there were a bunch of factors at play, here. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #113

Must be nice to be able to lump all the people you dont like... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #16

The White Privilege topic for discussion is a wedge issue applegrove Nov 2014 #17

It's a broad brush that gets used too fucking freely. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #20

You prove my point. applegrove Nov 2014 #22

I love armchair social science! (sarcasm) Vattel Nov 2014 #19

She's not very bright bluestateguy Nov 2014 #32

Hey let's attack a third of the electorate and paint them with a broad brush Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #26

What do you do when you lose an election, because you got killed in a certain demo Kurska Nov 2014 #37

Exactly! NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #44

So, you suggest Dems promote policies of republicans? boston bean Nov 2014 #49

Continuing to act like the Republican party speaks for all white males Kurska Nov 2014 #62

LOL how do we attract the demo of white men treestar Nov 2014 #53

Do you know any white male Liberals? dilby Nov 2014 #63

The demo is majority conservative treestar Nov 2014 #69

60% of our party is white and I would assume 1/2 of that 60% are male. dilby Nov 2014 #71

Why do we have to attract them? treestar Nov 2014 #121

If you are unable to convert them to your ideals then don't complain dilby Nov 2014 #124

We have to covert them or they have to convert us treestar Nov 2014 #143

I'm a white male liberal. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #72

No one says you aren't, but that's anecdotal treestar Nov 2014 #122

"Men don't need any help as they were the dominant and treated superior gender" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #123

Well shit I'm a white male over 50 workinclasszero Nov 2014 #54

Enabled by the efforts to disenfranchise all other voters. liberal N proud Nov 2014 #56

Bleating of the white male sheep, that is. Orsino Nov 2014 #57

And it's the revenge of the white women too! 56% of whom voted Repub. Kaleva Nov 2014 #61

Interesting... do you have a link for that? demmiblue Nov 2014 #93

I can't find any super detailed polling results. But there's this. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #98

Because they're "good Christian women" Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #102

It's at the CNN website in their exit poll data. Kaleva Nov 2014 #117

Our continuing to think this way will guarantee us more defeat in the future. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #64

The thing that pisses me off about this the most... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #68

I love this!! (And detest Marcotte.) (n/t) Seeking Serenity Nov 2014 #140

kick Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #73

I frequent sports boards where I infrequently discuss my politics DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #78

You understated it a million percent Awsi Dooger Nov 2014 #136

I don't think the members of this board realize the echo chamber they live in. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #138

"FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING WHITE MEN! sibelian Nov 2014 #88

They didn't vote for Dems. That is the point of me posting this. applegrove Nov 2014 #94

I don't think it was the Republicans. nt. sibelian Nov 2014 #118

In many ways successful white men applegrove Nov 2014 #119

That's an interesting theory, but I don't think we need it. sibelian Nov 2014 #120

a way to score "see me I'm such a lefty" points NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #128

I am a white guy in his 50s who has voted Dem all my life. hifiguy Nov 2014 #96

She's not talking about you. applegrove Nov 2014 #99

I know. hifiguy Nov 2014 #100

Yes there are. I didn't mean to paint everybody with the same brush applegrove Nov 2014 #103

Good reads on institutional "invisible" racism Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #107

Yes. Some of us here steered clear fo the "white privilege" debate applegrove Nov 2014 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #112

Healthcare, livable wages, decent schools, infrastructure that holds up, assistance if you need it uppityperson Nov 2014 #114

Health care, a decent society, a good economy, great education, applegrove Nov 2014 #115

The concept of white privilege Harmony Blue Nov 2014 #111

Pretty clear that few in this thread want to think about what could change a proportion. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #125