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212. Interpreters of the score can spin any story they want

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 11:22 AM

Nov 2014

to fit their view.

What people who think it's all about party loyalty and losses should be blamed on voters don't get is the process isn't all about party loyalty and voting for the team.

What politicians who push neo-liberal corporatist don't get that many people recognize that being a pro neo-liberal corporatist dem precludes being able to be FOR social spending.

Politicians who do that repeatedly turn out to be unable to deliver what they promise. Just like Mary Burke, the dem who lost to Walker. One of her last sets of school board votes involved voting FOR raises to salaries of school employees, BUT then votng against the increase in taxation that would make those raises possible.

The assumption that the base will vote for anyone because the base hasn't any other place to go, is deliberately suspending belief in reality. Voters faced with no other place to go on election day can just stay home.

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Well liberal members of this board - I hope you're happy [View all] Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 OP

Hillary must be thrilled. A ready-made OBSTRUCTION !!! cry leftstreet Nov 2014 #1

Hillary I'm sure is thrilled GummyBearz Nov 2014 #162

Hillary led the way in distancing herself from the president . . . brush Nov 2014 #211

you need to get ready.....she is our heaviest hitter VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2

And when the RepubliBot says "our" heaviest hitter, its right LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #10

I have polls showing she beats all repuke contenders VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #17

"Moar konsrvativ!" LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #19

where is your contender with polls to prove it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #20

"Moov righterer!" LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #21

Your inability to reply with a coherent argument isn't helping your cause here. gcomeau Nov 2014 #84

Thanks for your heartfelt concern LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #115

Oh there was no concern in it. gcomeau Nov 2014 #138

No concern? Who would have guessed? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #140

I have concern snooper2 Nov 2014 #143

A FAR more valid concern than gcomeau's LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #145

Ok... *now* I'm concerned about something. gcomeau Nov 2014 #213

Thank you for your heartfelt concern LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #214

And now I'm concerned you may have a head injury... gcomeau Nov 2014 #215

Thank you for your heartfelt concern LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #216

Does anyone know LondonReign2 in real life? gcomeau Nov 2014 #218

Thank you for your heartfelt concern LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #225

Seriously, anyone? There may be severe short term memory impairment here... -eom gcomeau Nov 2014 #226

Thank you for your heartfelt concern LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #228

yea no concern for those Independents costing us Progress VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #144

Tell us: Why do you want us to double down on the strategy that caused us to lose? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #146

No looking like losers shooting VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #149

Your preferred startegy of running right results in a HUGE loss LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #153

^^^^THAT ^^^ VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #155

^^^^POINTLESS^^^^ LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #158

Yes you are... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #163

Then what? azbillyboy Nov 2014 #105

then what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #108

Vanilla wants us to double down on the strategy that got our asses whipped LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #118

No that was YOUR strategy VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #157

Our candidates ran as right-of-center and got creamed LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #161

noo they did not... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #164

'For that matter, why doesn't President Obama go on the offensive? Fireside chat kind talks...?' freshwest Nov 2014 #187

well....rather than full bodies support Sheepshank Nov 2014 #230

Did you hear the leader of the RNC (Rinse Pubis)... ReRe Nov 2014 #91

prime example of my point.....this is what happens VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #159

You sort of lost me. ReRe Nov 2014 #205

Well she has some PR problems with different issues in the D party Omaha Steve Nov 2014 #131

and Obama wasnt mine either. . VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #165

Here I am in a video for my 08 candidate Omaha Steve Nov 2014 #171

Recc'd only because it's more likely what really occurred Puzzledtraveller Nov 2014 #3

Indeed. The nose-holding broadcasts a VIBE dontcha know. sibelian Nov 2014 #4

remember they needed "something to vote for" and " i wont vote just anyone with a "D" by belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #5

just like q good Independent would natch VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #22

Too bad the party didn't listen to the voters, AGAIN! We lost because of all the compromisers sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #49

well then enjoy life in the minority at least u stood by your principles belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #55

That was the problem -- the Democrats DIDN'T stand by their principles LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #65

youre thinking of the republicans - belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #66

Dumb answer LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #69

just because you dont like the answer doesnt make it dumb belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #72

And the corollary is also true... LanternWaste Nov 2014 #79

Grimes and Nunn negoldie Nov 2014 #102

Exactly LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #111

Well, let's see, first of all, you are attacking the people who ACTUALLT DO VOTE, just sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #217

the problem is dems dont maybe now they will but i doubt it. they dont look back belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #224

I guess the Republicans was listening when they have not allowed a minimum wage bill Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #62

gerrymandering can be done and redone anytime u dont need to wait belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #68

It creates another ten year window for gerrymandering by the GOP. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #73

i didnt say it didnt matter my point was you dont have to wait till 2020 to redistrict belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #74

I realize it can be done before 2020, by the in office party, and the in office Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #136

What Sabrina said. nt mariawr Nov 2014 #201

I'm afraid if Hillary runs as GOP Lite, which she may, we'll have a President Walker. Vinca Nov 2014 #6

luckily for us she is running as a Liberal Denocrat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #23

Good one. Very funny. Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #57

Hillary is NOT a liberal. Far from it, actually. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #87

no actually YOU are wrong VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #107

I stand by my statement about the TPP and the Keystone Pipeline. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #116

and I am not a one issue voter and stand by mine VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #121

Nor am I a one issue voter. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #125

yesyou are .....being liberal covers lots of issues VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #147

That's interesting that you feel competent to say I'm a one issue voter. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #148

yes I do know... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #154

You need to take your independent name calling somewhere else. neverforget Nov 2014 #176

are you pledging to vote for the winner of OUR VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #177

this is exactly what I mean. you come into this forum and expect neverforget Nov 2014 #180

and it is the point... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #182

That's why we have Primaries to decide from a list of candidates. Not just YOURS! neverforget Nov 2014 #195

I honestly feel that her purpose is to discourage Democrats. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #189

She's on an enforced vacation now neverforget Nov 2014 #234

Should be a permanent one IMHO and hopefully MIRT can look into it. nt adirondacker Nov 2014 #240

I agree. That one does nothing but bully and disrupt with juvenile nonsense. smokey nj Nov 2014 #242

I think you've hit the nail on the head. smokey nj Nov 2014 #243

No, you haven't been here long enough. You're nothing but a bully and you aren't even good at that. smokey nj Nov 2014 #186

Neither one will matter in 2016 yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #203

1000s of piplines in this country, one more isn't going to hurt anything LOL snooper2 Nov 2014 #150

I agree deutsey Nov 2014 #167

Thank god she's not running as a Democrat n/t MissDeeds Nov 2014 #95

It's a thin veneer that everyone sees through. arcane1 Nov 2014 #130

On behalf of all thirty-eight liberals here... Orsino Nov 2014 #7

Yes me too Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #18

Pfft! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #96

Thirty NINE Vincardog Nov 2014 #101

40 deurbano Nov 2014 #132

I will not vote for Hillary. SamKnause Nov 2014 #8

President Herman Cain thanks you Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #11

i am with you capt. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #25

LMAO! LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #123

Great, now I won't be able to sleep tonight mythology Nov 2014 #59

Two losers who could not even win their primaries. arcane1 Nov 2014 #135

Pizza for everyone! Initech Nov 2014 #190

I am with you, Sam. 100%! hifiguy Nov 2014 #14

Thank you. SamKnause Nov 2014 #15

seee ya Independent.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #24

Me neither, let's see if the party refuses to listen AGAIN. How many losses will it take sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #50

You're assuming that the party cares whether it wins. FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #100

I think you have to blame the media too LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #9

......heh...... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #98

MSNBC's Constant Reminders Of The Huge Colossal Loss Coming otohara Nov 2014 #128

And they failed to air Grimes', Udall's, and Hagan's constant LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #134

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you. Xyzse Nov 2014 #12

a cool head prevails... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #26

K&R! whatchamacallit Nov 2014 #13

So, you're saying we as party need to be republican-lite? Why not just join 'em, ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #16

welcome to leave and start your own.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #28

Um... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #51

"When we lose the mid-terms,I will post "I told you so!" in every single whining post that results." zappaman Nov 2014 #124

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #174

LOL. You're funny. cyberswede Nov 2014 #27

If Hillary is the nominee and Sanders doesn't run I will right his name in anyway. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #29

Is this humor? polichick Nov 2014 #30

We're learning from Manny's style. L0oniX Nov 2014 #219

Grimes a centrist? Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #31

She actually ran a commercial Puglover Nov 2014 #42

Wow.. I thought Udall was bad... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #99

I cannot wait until Cenk runs in 2016 in Montana hfojvt Nov 2014 #166

I know Minnesotans hunt just a tad bit. Puglover Nov 2014 #168

Not in Twintown they don't hfojvt Nov 2014 #185

What is the old saying? Puglover Nov 2014 #191

My jaw just broke the floorboards Scootaloo Nov 2014 #183

This is exactly why we lost this election. F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #192

Thom Hartmann Puglover Nov 2014 #232

"Look at me! Look at me" AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #231

LOL "halfpublican". laundry_queen Nov 2014 #239

I though she WAS a Republican. Did't she vote for Romney? world wide wally Nov 2014 #94

Hah. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #32

Without liberals your "centrist winners" (lol) RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #33

It's sarcasm, he just didn't put in the tag. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #34

Damn, it seems you're right. My bad. nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #119

Whew. /nt alcina Nov 2014 #126

You've got that right. ladyVet Nov 2014 #58

73.9% Turnout in fredamae Nov 2014 #35

If Hillary and her handlers are stupid enough to go on full attack against the Obama administration still_one Nov 2014 #36

My state has one of the highest turnout rates in the country. Puglover Nov 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Nov 2014 #40

I voted for Ralph Nader. Dr. Strange Nov 2014 #41

You should have sent us a flier and we would have joined you! jwirr Nov 2014 #63

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #64

I think of that episode often ... Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #184

I hope this is sarcasm. Myrina Nov 2014 #43

Thank god this is sarcasm. Phlem Nov 2014 #44

It's sarcasm? then i have to delete my angry post LiberalElite Nov 2014 #236

At this point I don't know anymore. Phlem Nov 2014 #238

Weak sauce will never defeat Republican extremism, sorry, private. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #45

3rd Way "practical politics" worked ever so well yesterday that we'll double down with Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #46

The election results were 'pragmatic' AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #233

Not us! Will Pitt and Manny! Those two guys caused it all! Rex Nov 2014 #47

This OP is flame bait if I ever saw it. totodeinhere Nov 2014 #48

not so much flame bait annabanana Nov 2014 #56

We lost because of centrism AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #52

Well, we did control the House from 1954 to 1994, Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #241

You forgot the sarcasm tag, btw. nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #53

Capt. Obvious doesn't do sarcasm tags LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #67

Because Obvious. Iggo Nov 2014 #206

Hillary is simply more of the reason why we lost last night. closeupready Nov 2014 #54

I say bullshit, they all ran as Republican lite instead of Democrats. They ran from doc03 Nov 2014 #60

I agree. What did they gain by running away from Obama? yellowcanine Nov 2014 #97

Amen n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #194

If we didn't learn from these past 6 years Politicalboi Nov 2014 #61

Yep^ world wide wally Nov 2014 #103

Lol BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #70

I miss unrec. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #71

So do I MissDeeds Nov 2014 #92

Time to change your name lame54 Nov 2014 #75

I didn't even have a Democrat to vote for in a couple of races liberal N proud Nov 2014 #76

Our Dem rep pulled out after he remembered he had a prior engagement ...truth. L0oniX Nov 2014 #220

you're trying to obscure the undeniable fact that Glenn Greewald caused this loss Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #77

That's absurd Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #78

what are you talking about? Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2014 #80

This is sarcasm, right, Captain Obvious? Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #81

I recommended it believing it to be sarcasm. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #106

Everyone seems to know precisely why the Democrats lost. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #82

LOL MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #83

hillary? really? somebody-else Nov 2014 #85

Not sure that finger pointing is useful. yellowcanine Nov 2014 #86

I believe the preferred nomenclature is "Professional Liberals." RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #88

Please go pound sand. dballance Nov 2014 #89

XL tar sand? L0oniX Nov 2014 #221

Is the volume up on your computer? ... <G> jtuck004 Nov 2014 #90

This gave me a chuckle.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author ReRe Nov 2014 #104

I believe the OP was sarcasm. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #109

Today is NOT a good day for... ReRe Nov 2014 #117

IF it is sarcasm, it's in very poor taste MissDeeds Nov 2014 #129

Agreed. Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #210

You're always welcome to seek greener pastures elsewhere... derby378 Nov 2014 #110

it's not a good day for snark and sarcasm...lots of misreading going on around here today. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #112

Unfortunately, to some sarcasm is a lifestyle. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #170

understood. Wide array today of reactions to yesterday's mess - NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #173

........ daleanime Nov 2014 #113

You're being sarcastic right? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #114

So while we're inspecting our navels... adieu Nov 2014 #120

Are you a republican I mean REALLY ARE YOU One turbinetree Nov 2014 #122

The OP agrees with you. deurbano Nov 2014 #137

I really would have thought the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #141

Poe's Law combined with the shell shock, I think... deurbano Nov 2014 #178

you think leftys have a better chance of winning in the south? jonjensen Nov 2014 #127

''It's time to get ready for Hillary.'' DeSwiss Nov 2014 #133

damn i just figured out this is not a sarcastic post. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #139

Oh, blow me. Off to Ignore with you! Or are you being sarcastic? valerief Nov 2014 #142

Turnout is what caused the loss damnedifIknow Nov 2014 #151

If Hillary is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for her workinclasszero Nov 2014 #152

Can't tell if trolling, or serious. MynameisBlarney Nov 2014 #156

Your FINGER POINTING Is Just So STUPID! ChiciB1 Nov 2014 #160

Um... Puglover Nov 2014 #169

+10000 MissDeeds Nov 2014 #172

Check the batteries on your sarcasm meter... Earth_First Nov 2014 #198

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #175

You took a long time to write that and poof, it is gone. Thanks MIRT uppityperson Nov 2014 #179

We lost because Republicans vote for anybody with an R by their name. Zen Democrat Nov 2014 #181

I think Capt. Obvious needs a spanking Oilwellian Nov 2014 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Nov 2014 #193

Hey, you stole Manny's schtick. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #196

I'm waiting for Hillary to promise to crack down on the "problem" of medical marijuana, because Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #197

The most sensible response in this thread Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #199

My Birkenstocks singlehandedly caused 87 people waiting in line to vote QC Nov 2014 #200

Well I hope you're happy CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #244

Secretly, I am very pleased. QC Nov 2014 #246

Half the country is nuts ... and the other half fights amonst itself ... JoePhilly Nov 2014 #202

I'm in favor of a candidate, whomever that might be, that can best win against the republican RKP5637 Nov 2014 #204

Uhm ...so that would be whoever has more money. Ok L0oniX Nov 2014 #222

Sad, isn't it, that this is what this great experiment in democracy has evolved to and RKP5637 Nov 2014 #223

It's just plain rude to blame the voters that voted HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #207

.... 840high Nov 2014 #208

The scoreboard doesn't lie Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #209

Interpreters of the score can spin any story they want HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #212

what the hell is this? RedstDem Nov 2014 #227

Go ahead, throw your vote away Capt. Obvious Nov 2014 #229

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalElite Nov 2014 #235

I wasn't able to vote because I never got the pony I was promised in 2008 Doctor_J Nov 2014 #237

I knew it was my fault CrawlingChaos Nov 2014 #245

kickakickakicka Rex Nov 2014 #247