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In reply to the discussion: This was the message from voters to the Dems... [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)103. I post this a lot, because I think it is the most insightful analysis of Democratic Party principles
The Democrats want to sell us a big, stinking pile of Hope backed up with empty feel-good rhetoric, not results.
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_hope_diet_would_the_tea_party_fall_for_this/
Hope also sets an extremely low standard for judging Democratic politicians. Hope is, by their definition, something they bring with them, or a place they come from, or a poster they are (literally!) the illustration for; ensuring that this fanciful substance flows our way doesnt require them actually to, you know, enact anything were hoping for. On the contrary, they can do things (like Clintons deregulations or Obamas spying program) that actually harm their constituents, and then tell us, as Barack Obama tweeted after the 2012 election, The definition of hope is you still believe, even when its hard.
This is the opposite of accountability. It means, just keep waiting, and just keep voting. If you think good thoughts long enough, maybe someday youll get that million bucks, or that single-payer healthcare system.
And thats probably why this stuff springs so goddamned eternal. After 30 years of these pseudo DemocratsDemocrats who fundraise like Republicans, Democrats who govern like Republicans, Democrats who basically become Republicans (for example, Zell Miller, the creator of the HOPE Scholarship)its easy enough to understand why elected officials love the concept. Hope means, forget about how you got taken last time. Think positively. Maybe this next Democrat is the one who will finally act the way you think Democrats ought to act. And when he doesnt, hope means you need to stick with him anyway, because . . . well, because hes the one who carries hope in his back pocket and all.
At any rate, hope is a virtue they mainly recommend for you, the Democratic voter; with their funders and bundlers, the relationship is a little more contractual. For them our Democratic leaders undertake to perform certain actions; it is only for the rank and file that they recommend a diet of wishes. If we complain about this state of affairs, they will no doubt tell us that results in this material world arent everything. Theres something philosophical and ennobling about hoping for things. Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him, says Job of the Almighty.
When confronting our earthly leaders, however, the situation ought to be a little different. We shouldnt have to hope. We should expect politicians to deliver.
This is the opposite of accountability. It means, just keep waiting, and just keep voting. If you think good thoughts long enough, maybe someday youll get that million bucks, or that single-payer healthcare system.
And thats probably why this stuff springs so goddamned eternal. After 30 years of these pseudo DemocratsDemocrats who fundraise like Republicans, Democrats who govern like Republicans, Democrats who basically become Republicans (for example, Zell Miller, the creator of the HOPE Scholarship)its easy enough to understand why elected officials love the concept. Hope means, forget about how you got taken last time. Think positively. Maybe this next Democrat is the one who will finally act the way you think Democrats ought to act. And when he doesnt, hope means you need to stick with him anyway, because . . . well, because hes the one who carries hope in his back pocket and all.
At any rate, hope is a virtue they mainly recommend for you, the Democratic voter; with their funders and bundlers, the relationship is a little more contractual. For them our Democratic leaders undertake to perform certain actions; it is only for the rank and file that they recommend a diet of wishes. If we complain about this state of affairs, they will no doubt tell us that results in this material world arent everything. Theres something philosophical and ennobling about hoping for things. Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him, says Job of the Almighty.
When confronting our earthly leaders, however, the situation ought to be a little different. We shouldnt have to hope. We should expect politicians to deliver.
As Devo put it, Democrats are "floating hope on an ocean of need" and it just doesn't cut it. Why do voters stay home on election day? Because the politicians they are supposed to vote for don't deliver.
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The voters were not pouting. Ever heard of a 'vote of no confidence'? That's what voters
sabrina 1
Nov 2014
#12
No, this election was a declaration from voters that they have no confidence in their government.
sabrina 1
Nov 2014
#85
Exactly!!! And democrats will whine and while and whine. Effective action would have prevented
RKP5637
Nov 2014
#152
Thank you! And I agree, 'they' will never admit it, because they are happy with protecting their
sabrina 1
Nov 2014
#163
Then they werent paying ANY attention to what was going on, because to say ALL
randys1
Nov 2014
#127
"I've been scolded by those who think this line of thinking is poppycock" did they get their ass
jtuck004
Nov 2014
#109
If you were going to pick a leader in the Senate, whould YOU have picked Harry Reed?
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2014
#18
Reagan got his way because the "conservative coalition" (blue dogs and GOP) were the majority
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2014
#56
I post this a lot, because I think it is the most insightful analysis of Democratic Party principles
Maedhros
Nov 2014
#103
"...in a forced choice situation (if you don't choose someone will choose for you)"
cheapdate
Nov 2014
#138
Sounds like what my mom calls 'bite your own nose to spite your face'. AKA 3 year olds. n/t
DebJ
Nov 2014
#124
If what you say is true then the percentage of Liberals is far less than 30%...
Spazito
Nov 2014
#93
I haven't seen any breakdown for 2014 yet, but here are the previous numbers
LondonReign2
Nov 2014
#94
Again, either the percentage of Liberals is very small or they did not all come out...
Spazito
Nov 2014
#102
You might just have a point there. Voters for the most part passed progressive legislation
Autumn
Nov 2014
#6
The truth emerges for those that notice. Conservative dems just don't show up and vote!
Rex
Nov 2014
#23
It's worse than that; most people don't even know who's running what and many of them are our voters
BeyondGeography
Nov 2014
#77
They lost because they ran against themselves instead of running against the republicans
Gore1FL
Nov 2014
#16
Perhaps we should sent Obama the real message from the nation, at least many of us.
Maineman
Nov 2014
#17
Yeah, Republicans also thought they lost in 2006 because they weren't conservative enough
Recursion
Nov 2014
#21
Oh, sure, the party leaders did. I'm talking about the conservative blogosphere
Recursion
Nov 2014
#52
If Ford has a bad quarter, they don't get to shrug it off with "car buyers are stupid!".
Marr
Nov 2014
#89
That's exactly the idiotic and infantile sort of thinking which keeps putting GOP in office
Sarah Ibarruri
Nov 2014
#29
I was thinking more of undecided voters, and democratic-leaning voters when I said that.
TrollBuster9090
Nov 2014
#33
Could not believe Brownback won..but I couldn't believe Scott in my state either
florida08
Nov 2014
#113
Forget "not Liberal enough", we had candidates that barely ran as Democrats
LondonReign2
Nov 2014
#164
No.. NO "Period".. there were a lot of different factors.. and to those who stayed home and whined
Cha
Nov 2014
#60
K&R because I think you can make this overall assumption and more often than not it is correct.
NCTraveler
Nov 2014
#90
Message: You didn't motivate us. You didn't differentiate yourself enough from the gridlockers.
JPZenger
Nov 2014
#123
I think Norm Goldman is right. He said people are sick of a gov't that does nothing,
napi21
Nov 2014
#132
The numbers say "we support a republican agenda". Votes not cast are votes not counted.
arcane1
Nov 2014
#135
Logic is seeing that most Progressives didn't see either party represent them, so they stayed home
RiverLover
Nov 2014
#147
You mean spying, drones, torture, bank fraud, and putting social security on the table
whereisjustice
Nov 2014
#141