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In reply to the discussion: It looks increasingly like Rick Scott's win is illegitimate. If so, what do we do? [View all]F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)36. I still hate the idea of felons losing the right to vote.
While in prison, yes. By committing crimes, you forfeit some of your rights. But the idea of prison should not be to punsih. It should be to provide a place to serve your time, and then more importantly, provide rehabilitation. The nordic model is much better than what we have here. Once you've served your time, that should be it. (Though clearly there are issues involving things like firearms, or becoming a police officer, that can't happen).
And I sure as hell don't appreciate Democrats being reflexively associated with the felon vote. Do you?
You know, for some odd reason I care more about people's rights than I do our image. If we stand up for people, then it won't matter.
I'm sure if you ask an innocent black man if he wants his vote back he'd tell you he'd rather not have been convicted in the first place.
I'm not sure how that helps. I'm sure he would too. That doesn't mean he doesn't also want to vote.
I'm not soothed by giving the wrongly-convicted back their vote at the cost of letting the guilty vote too. And justice would be better served by keeping people from going to jail just because of their skin color in the first place.
Let me get this straight: you're willing to deny other people's constitutionally protected rights because some people are criminals?
Edit to add that your attitudes towards this are almost exactly what was described in an article discussing the nordic prison systems. Your focus is not on rehabilitation, it's punishment. These punitive attitudes are exactly what leads to a black man being locked up for 15 years because of a single joint. Though you probably won't like me saying this, it's a very conservative attitude to have.
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It looks increasingly like Rick Scott's win is illegitimate. If so, what do we do? [View all]
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
OP
It's time we accepted inconvenient facts - ones that DON'T involve surrendering.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#37
It's time we accepted inconvenient facts: I couldn't have said it better myself.
badtoworse
Nov 2014
#42
That's not an inconvenient fact, or a fact at all. That's absolute Vichy bullshit.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#43
I didn't say it was stolen. I said the facts appear to be leaning in that direction.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#60
I did read the article, so I'll thank you to not tell me what I did or didn't do.
GGJohn
Nov 2014
#64
Right, I'm a scold because I don't buy into some mopey adolescent emo attitude.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#81
You need to collect the names of actual people who were incorrectly disenfranchised
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#22
Pretty much impossible to prove that the Florida election was swung by the new eligibility rules
onenote
Nov 2014
#31
I knew it wouldn't be difficult to find because they would have to go big
Baitball Blogger
Nov 2014
#34
If that's the case, I feel like his wasn't the only one illegitimate.
Independent_Liberal
Nov 2014
#44
Definitely. I guess I just don't get the "Emo-crat" wing of our side of the spectrum.
True Blue Door
Nov 2014
#65