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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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103. I bring Bernie up because

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 04:09 PM

Nov 2014

I'm a socialist too, even if not from Vermont. And my personal desired policies are as far to the left of Bernie as Bernie's stated ones are to Hillary, for instance. I realize that Bernie is making a heck of a lot of compromises with capitalism to be 'pragmatic', but you have to drag people back left before you can go any further towards weakening capitalism's stranglehold on politics in the US. I think the Dem party platform is good on most things, although I feel it falls short on economic issues. But I can live with that, and with party officials who actually stick to the platform and are willing to slide to the left on specific issues when polls show that 70+% of Americans are further to the left of elected officials on those issues.

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To everyone who has stated we need to flush the party of 3rd way [View all] Peacetrain Nov 2014 OP

It is all BS treestar Nov 2014 #1

I am baffled Peacetrain Nov 2014 #4

Yeah, the D party can only run the D that the Ds in that election treestar Nov 2014 #9

Its a mystery to me Peacetrain Nov 2014 #15

We should just airdrop pallets of far left candidates into Red districts and let them run. FSogol Nov 2014 #33

Clones!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #44

lol treestar Nov 2014 #77

Who decides, MONEY, that's who.. Bandit Nov 2014 #109

If you really believe that, then your only way is to raise as much money as possible treestar Nov 2014 #122

The party chooses the candidate, right? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #115

They could if they wanted to treestar Nov 2014 #123

I agree with you. Andy823 Nov 2014 #34

Funny thing would be if that candidate does not win treestar Nov 2014 #76

Exactly Andy823 Nov 2014 #99

Candidates need access to voters... Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #116

If we are entirely dependent on the MSM treestar Nov 2014 #124

they view political parties as a religion JI7 Nov 2014 #37

Exactly, good analogy treestar Nov 2014 #75

"My friends we run who we have." merrily Nov 2014 #2

Of course not.. we is the generic "we".. Peacetrain Nov 2014 #5

At least one person who posts here has posted that he does influence that choice, merrily Nov 2014 #12

We the Democrats pick that candidate treestar Nov 2014 #11

How did you vote in the 2012 Presidential primary? Don't you think the 2016 merrily Nov 2014 #17

another fine example VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #31

Apparently, yeah. treestar Nov 2014 #79

Explain how these primaries work in 3D world and the next reply will... Amonester Nov 2014 #120

Could be. In caucus states like Minnesota, MineralMan Nov 2014 #19

Yes, thank you. I know. That's why I asked the OP very politely about his or merrily Nov 2014 #26

OP Described His/Her Level of Engagement AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #43

Yes, I saw the post. merrily Nov 2014 #50

So right wing is the best we can ever hope for? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #3

Did not say that.. I want to know where Peacetrain Nov 2014 #7

"Purer" And I thought this was going to be a sincere discussion. My mistake. merrily Nov 2014 #13

Never mind.. you got your back up.. Peacetrain Nov 2014 #16

Yeah, that's it. merrily Nov 2014 #18

Barbara Buono and Zephyr Teachout stepped forward and we know how their fates were dealt with by the adirondacker Nov 2014 #71

Dems sweep GOP off Wake Board of Commissioners (North Carolina) WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #6

This deserves its own post. Wonderful! nt mariawr Nov 2014 #82

canidate? GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #8

Thanks for the heads up Peacetrain Nov 2014 #23

Dreams & caviar wishes there isn't anyone one out there that will win now.. Historic NY Nov 2014 #10

We sat home? merrily Nov 2014 #21

School boards still matter. And they're the 'farm teams' for people to move on to city councils Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #88

Every movement has its beginnings. We are still in the beginning stages, but with the liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #14

This is my point.. you can't throw all that on the backs of a couple of people.. Peacetrain Nov 2014 #20

Why find reasons why running liberals is a bad idea, instead of genuinely exploring how merrily Nov 2014 #22

Strange.. only you are saying that Peacetrain Nov 2014 #25

Read your own post about Sanders and Warren. merrily Nov 2014 #29

I don't care who runs, but I'm tired of only having one choice. I have been voting for democrats for liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #24

Okay, so what do you do to get canidates that more Peacetrain Nov 2014 #27

How should I know? Political and community meetings are probably a good starting point. liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #28

No, candidates reflect the positions their handlers, advisors, and consultants tell them to take. OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #42

And money LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #97

yep marions ghost Nov 2014 #104

No, we will not be. OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #111

Oh yeah marions ghost Nov 2014 #113

Most Americans support the progressive economic positions. OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #117

What is even more ridiculous is that every single elected Democrat is 3rd way to that crowd. FSogol Nov 2014 #30

I know a lot of our local candidates Peacetrain Nov 2014 #32

I know the feeling. I help out at a lot of tiny local campaigns. FSogol Nov 2014 #35

FDR, Truman and Kennedy were very much real people OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #46

yet, FDR was loathed by the left wyldwolf Nov 2014 #51

That must be why he got elected 4 times... OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #119

That's only assuming ... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #121

It was. OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #145

The New Deal was made in response to that JonLP24 Nov 2014 #125

he was loathed by the left, in part, because of the new deal. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #127

A lot of what is said there JonLP24 Nov 2014 #128

But a lot of it isn't wyldwolf Nov 2014 #129

I'm not exactly fond of JFK JonLP24 Nov 2014 #130

FDR co-opted the left wyldwolf Nov 2014 #132

I already posted the events that led to fragmentation of the Democratic party JonLP24 Nov 2014 #133

"I looked up your claim" - but you missed it. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #134

The context of crackpot said there is the same as his letter to Eleanor Roosevelt JonLP24 Nov 2014 #135

No, he was specifically referring to the '48 election wyldwolf Nov 2014 #138

I know exactly what he is referring to JonLP24 Nov 2014 #139

it certainly wasn't 'communists' as you stated up-thread. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #140

There may be a comphrension problem JonLP24 Nov 2014 #141

if there is, it's yours wyldwolf Nov 2014 #142

Who he was referring to was never in dispute JonLP24 Nov 2014 #143

"Near mythical" refers to them and their achievements being held over the achievements of other more FSogol Nov 2014 #56

No, I got your point. OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #95

So, what Democrats do you consider to be third way? FSogol Nov 2014 #98

Any self-proclaimed OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #110

So basically, every elected Democrat except Warren and Sanders, right? FSogol Nov 2014 #112

Wow, so lost in your "I hate progressives" meme that you don't even know who's in Congress, do you? OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #118

You do know Jim Moran was replaced by Don Beyer, right? FSogol Nov 2014 #131

I've been on this site since 2004 OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #144

Check out this chart showing FDR was able to work with a House AND Senate... Spazito Nov 2014 #57

Never said it was easy OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #94

What they forget, per Ken Burns' documentary, is that the 'organized money' that... freshwest Nov 2014 #68

Well said. FDR, Truman, and Kennedy are giants among Presidents, but they were no more perfect FSogol Nov 2014 #74

Warren and Sanders have already been thrown under the bus by some... FrodosPet Nov 2014 #136

True. n/t FSogol Nov 2014 #137

Maybe some of US need to run for office. kaiden Nov 2014 #36

Steny Hoyer once said that everyone should run for an office at some point in their lives Recursion Nov 2014 #48

Seems so intrusive. kaiden Nov 2014 #60

yeah, this was 20 years ago Recursion Nov 2014 #61

Takes a calling to be effective but you are correct. mariawr Nov 2014 #83

Those who feel SO strongly about the need for more progressive candidates... Spazito Nov 2014 #38

neither do I... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #146

Kudos to you for running... Spazito Nov 2014 #147

I mainly know about races around here and what I pick up here and there in other areas Chathamization Nov 2014 #39

Exactly. laundry_queen Nov 2014 #54

I always surprised about the self-proclaimed socialists, communists, more radical environmentalists, branford Nov 2014 #40

Obama won on the populist message RiverLover Nov 2014 #41

Do you really think more progressive candidates would have won branford Nov 2014 #45

Which is more crazed, to think progressives migh win where moderates lost or to think that moderates Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #91

The majority of Americans Andy823 Nov 2014 #47

Campaigning =/= governing YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #49

Psst, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #89

The Democrats are still generally the "leftmost" choice. branford Nov 2014 #100

I bring Bernie up because Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #103

No candidate is perfect, and few agree with all of a party's platform. branford Nov 2014 #105

Except that what I ACTUALLY complain about in re specific Democrats Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #106

Good grief, what an amazing post Number23 Nov 2014 #149

Gawd what a crock RobertEarl Nov 2014 #52

DLCers are corporatist trash. Repub-lite. Purge those from the party. peacebird Nov 2014 #53

Then I assume you're leaving this blog Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #55

Depends on what the Dems do. If they lean towards Warren & Sanders I stay, if towards corporations.. peacebird Nov 2014 #66

You reap what you sow... Spazito Nov 2014 #59

I vote. I will not vote for those who do not support my interests any longer peacebird Nov 2014 #65

I guess you will be voting for a party of one, your party... Spazito Nov 2014 #67

Do you support candidates that vote against your own interests? AgingAmerican Nov 2014 #96

I vote for candidates whose party comes closest to representing my views... Spazito Nov 2014 #101

The message I hear from conservative dems is always the same garbage Rex Nov 2014 #70

Exactly. peacebird Nov 2014 #72

I ran and won twice as the kind of candidate you'd desire & can weigh on this subject... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #58

Most Important Post. Octafish Nov 2014 #73

Appreciate the nod, Octafish... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #114

++++++++ Barack_America Nov 2014 #151

I have no idea where you live. We have no 'Third Way' candidates and we won pretty big. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #62

My Congressman, Kurt Schrader (D), is most definitely Third Way. Did you see the commercials for him neverforget Nov 2014 #64

But what would we fredamae Nov 2014 #81

We don't see those ads here. Kurt is not a member of the group Third Way Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #90

Millionaires� Club: For First Time, Most Lawmakers are Worth $1 Million-Plus Zorra Nov 2014 #63

When you run GOP-lite candidates in red states, chances are they will pick the actual Republican Rex Nov 2014 #69

Trouble is - to the whiners the only qualification needed to be part of the "3rd way" baldguy Nov 2014 #78

to assume the same candidate-template works everywhere is simply naive DrDan Nov 2014 #80

The "3rd way" has the money. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #84

No it is not bullshit. Your post may be bullshit. Not having enough money from corporations is djean111 Nov 2014 #86

I didn't write the rules. BKH70041 Nov 2014 #93

I believe this is also a case of where money skews everything. djean111 Nov 2014 #85

Warren for President! nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #87

The fix is in - TBF Nov 2014 #92

we will never get those candidiates DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #102

They can stay, and make the same tired excuses for voting with the Republicans. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #107

I knows a guy. Don't worry about it. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #108

The current system is rigged against them. They don't get big $$$ needed to run against corporatists corkhead Nov 2014 #126

Here: Zorra Nov 2014 #148

Got my vote... think Nov 2014 #152

Then I expect Warren to be run and Clinton kicked to the curb. Barack_America Nov 2014 #150

Some of them may be here. RadicalGeek Nov 2014 #153

Maybe they need to take a civic lesson to understand how the election process runs still_one Nov 2014 #154