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deurbano

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149. I don't think the OP was saying that.

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 06:42 PM

Nov 2014

I believe the intention was to suggest an issue (not the only issue) that might resonate and motivate that cohort to vote in much larger numbers. Just because people should do something doesn't mean they will (as we have just seen). I don't think it is so much "Give me what I want" as "I don't see a difference between the parties," or "I don't see that my vote will make any difference." So, the challenge for those of us who DO want them to become engaged and to vote is to find what might accomplish that. Obviously, there ARE differences between the parties, but there are also too many ways the parties are the same. We need to change that second part and better publicize the first part. It won't help just to trash nonvoters or give up on them. It's not about bribing people to vote, but giving them clear reasons to support Democrats. (I know it seems obvious to us, but we already vote.... and sometimes it doesn't feel like my vote matters much either.)

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Got Millenials? Democrats Should Address the Student Loan Crisis Immediately [View all] alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 OP

It's obscene that higher education costs this much SHRED Nov 2014 #1

Nothing Will Happen. The GOP Probably Wants To Increase The Interest Rate. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2014 #2

Exactly! That's why the Democrats have to grab this issue and run with it. hedgehog Nov 2014 #58

Not only increase the interest rate Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #81

Yup thats how the game is played workinclasszero Nov 2014 #160

And this is why we are in trouble as will happen on everything with their Media. glinda Nov 2014 #161

Bravo! QC Nov 2014 #3

Doing so would alienate the bitter Boomers & Gen-Xers Orrex Nov 2014 #4

Boomers? Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #16

That's kind of my point. Orrex Nov 2014 #27

I'm a Boomer, and I have 2 children headed for college (and 1 headed back to college). deurbano Nov 2014 #63

thank you barbtries Nov 2014 #85

At least you got job skills training Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #153

Fortunately, I made no general claim about all Boomers or Gen Xers. Orrex Nov 2014 #90

Excuse me? I'm getting tired of one generation blaming another for - whatever. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #178

sharing boomer aspirant Nov 2014 #24

The military doesn't need any more people Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #163

"Bitter Boomers?" Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #25

Well, if you're not bitter, then it doesn't apply to you, does it? Orrex Nov 2014 #28

Perhaps next time you can say something like, Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #73

"Not All Boomers," in other words? Orrex Nov 2014 #88

Yeah, might be nice. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #150

This Gen-Xer is still paying off his student loan unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #29

That is exactly my view and my experience, alas. Orrex Nov 2014 #40

Bitter boomers? Where in the fuck did you get that concept? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #30

From bitter Boomers. If you're not bitter, then it doesn't apply to you. Orrex Nov 2014 #32

You say it as if it is a condition of boomers, being bitter. I assure you, it is not. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #39

If I say "I don't like crappy art," I'm not saying "All art is crappy and I don't like it." Orrex Nov 2014 #43

Yeah? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #55

Yeah. Orrex Nov 2014 #86

No. I do not "get the idea". This is your evidence that baby boomers as a group Enthusiast Nov 2014 #112

Why don't you just read what I wrote? Orrex Nov 2014 #114

Why have so many of us gotten the impression that you were condemning boomers? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #117

You have a thin skin becase you insist you're being attacked when you're not. Orrex Nov 2014 #118

So, several of us have reading comprehension problems, deurbano Nov 2014 #127

Spare me. Orrex Nov 2014 #130

Yes, it's all about all of us, not you. deurbano Nov 2014 #133

It's not about you at all, though you seem to want it to be. Orrex Nov 2014 #134

Might want to work on that. deurbano Nov 2014 #136

Please -- not all Boomers LiberalEsto Nov 2014 #33

Again, my statement applies only and specifically to BITTER Boomers & Gen Xers Orrex Nov 2014 #35

I am a Gen-Xer and I think tuition costs are rediculous. dilby Nov 2014 #44

Similar story here. Orrex Nov 2014 #47

As a boomer I was able to work part time and afford a tiny apartment Nay Nov 2014 #83

I know some boomers who are republicans redruddyred Nov 2014 #101

This is certainly possible, as I have a SIL who's a real asshole. I was just saying that Nay Nov 2014 #102

thanks redruddyred Nov 2014 #105

Wrong GenX jeff47 Nov 2014 #87

yeah, but I think that all this is due to the general misconception redruddyred Nov 2014 #104

Take a look at what their responses are in this thread jeff47 Nov 2014 #108

Not "their" responses... deurbano Nov 2014 #139

a lot of my friends feel really turned off by the way redruddyred Nov 2014 #179

Well, I did get knocked up... didn't do many drugs... didn't commit crimes deurbano Nov 2014 #131

thanks redruddyred Nov 2014 #174

Perhaps you are not around a lot of Gen-Xer's then. TM99 Nov 2014 #109

Boomers have kids in college. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #132

Gen-X is shockingly full of angry and bitter reactionary crybabies. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #147

I'm child free Gen-x and it sickens me how much debt burden is forced upon our youth. myrna minx Nov 2014 #172

I do not believe the government has the power to retroactively change the terms of a contract badtoworse Nov 2014 #5

The ability to discharge a loan in bankruptcy is a policy issue, not a contract issue alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #9

So the loan agreement is silent on bankruptcy? badtoworse Nov 2014 #11

It doesn't matter if it is or not alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #14

Thanks for the clarification badtoworse Nov 2014 #15

It's weird though, because in most bankruptcy settlements some liquidation of assets to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #54

If the banks don't want to make the loans, then they shouldn't alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #61

I agree with you 100% that the current system is rotten and needs to go. I was KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #67

Bankruptcy does not always satisfy creditors with asset liquidation alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #69

True. Often creditors must settle for the proverbial 'pennies on the dollar' in KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #72

If you want a trillion dollars to be discharged you'll collapse the banking system. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #70

Yes, because if ordinary bankruptcy protection was available for student loans alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #76

OK, so how far would you like to see the door opened? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #107

Also the federal and state governments need to increase funding to universities and we need liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #6

Nowhere? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #8

Pay for everything? Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #156

God I so hate posts like yours. Get involved upaloopa Nov 2014 #7

Yes, nobody ever advocated and passed specific economic policies that would directly benefit Boomers alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #10

12% voted 12 fucking percent ! upaloopa Nov 2014 #13

If they did all that, when would they have time to graduate summa cum laude? Time is a resource lonestarnot Nov 2014 #34

It takes a few minutes to fill out a ballot. It also takes upaloopa Nov 2014 #37

Yes, as a Boomer, I can attest most people sat on their (political) butts in the 60's. deurbano Nov 2014 #138

What gets to me is the idea of upaloopa Nov 2014 #142

I don't think the OP was saying that. deurbano Nov 2014 #149

Well none of those things they want are going to happen. upaloopa Nov 2014 #151

+1! glinda Nov 2014 #162

General amnesty nilesobek Nov 2014 #12

You make a good point! KansDem Nov 2014 #48

Just as 2/3 of voters was not to be found on Tuesday, this is the way it will be going until Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #17

Here's something President Obama can do TOMORROW, mostly through Executive Order alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #18

get private contractors out of it altogether. yurbud Nov 2014 #122

Like Biden did when he was a Senator? hobbit709 Nov 2014 #19

So, the answer for Millennials is to let more Republicans get elected by not voting? Dawgs Nov 2014 #20

From the OP alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #22

Thanks for ignoring the last part of my post. The part where I show that Democrats are trying. Dawgs Nov 2014 #23

No. You get people to vote for you by solving their problems jeff47 Nov 2014 #71

Yup alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #74

"We're repeating the same error with Millennials" Dawgs Nov 2014 #75

No, we're saying "Boy, that job market sucks" jeff47 Nov 2014 #80

So, how do they work on those problems when they're not in power? Dawgs Nov 2014 #82

History didn't start today jeff47 Nov 2014 #97

BS. Dawgs Nov 2014 #120

Empty promises don't boost turnout. And not even making promises does worse. jeff47 Nov 2014 #123

Why are here if you think all politicians suck? Dawgs Nov 2014 #124

Because this isn't a site about politicians. jeff47 Nov 2014 #125

I'm not yelling at you. (I'm a Boomer.) deurbano Nov 2014 #128

Income based repayment place should be enough for those in trouble aikoaiko Nov 2014 #21

I have an income based repayment plan and it is the maximum I can smirkymonkey Nov 2014 #159

If you allwo bankruptcy you may as well just make them grants Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #26

The risk you take when you loan money is that some people won't pay it back alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #64

Of course then you will have many people denied Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #65

As I said, the social outcomes this increased access was supposed to produce are not met alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #68

Dems tried to address the issue, but guess what??? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #31

That's a good way TBF Nov 2014 #51

What are you saying? Dawgs Nov 2014 #78

I'm saying blaming the voters TBF Nov 2014 #93

Failure does not attract votes. jeff47 Nov 2014 #77

Moreover, the "trying" was so tepid and half-assed that even success would get the side-eye alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #79

Oh well, you are the one who will suffer the consequences of having the GOP HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #143

I get the same consequences either way. jeff47 Nov 2014 #148

No you don't, but you will soon learn the difference between HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #164

Yes, I really do. jeff47 Nov 2014 #169

Why the profanity? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #170

Way to stereotype a whole generation... deurbano Nov 2014 #126

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #36

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #41

I'd love to see ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #45

Yup, these ProSense Nov 2014 #42

There ARE lessons that Democrats could learn from republicans ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #46

While I agree with your tactic, WHO is to blame for the involvement of Private Debt Collectors to adirondacker Nov 2014 #49

See my post #18 above alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #52

I think this is a great idea. myrna minx Nov 2014 #171

HAHAHAHA joshcryer Nov 2014 #38

That you consider this a laughing matter speaks volumes. adirondacker Nov 2014 #110

What's funny is the idea it could be addressed. joshcryer Nov 2014 #167

The Democrats are nowhere on this TBF Nov 2014 #50

I don't disagree with you: even the Warren legislation, trumpeted loudly above, is a half-measure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #53

Bankruptcy restriction - TBF Nov 2014 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #56

Banks must write down their losses on student loans cap Nov 2014 #59

The Republican Congress and student loans: ProSense Nov 2014 #60

Luckily, the for-profit schemes are an enforcement issue alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #66

oh yeah the lack of decent online programs is really a huge issue. redruddyred Nov 2014 #96

tt = tenure track alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #103

oh yeah I had one of those guys yell at me in front of the entire class redruddyred Nov 2014 #106

Well alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #115

I sincerely hope that you manage to refrain from being an abusive jerk! redruddyred Nov 2014 #175

There will always be people willing to be adjuncts Vattel Nov 2014 #84

Agree in part alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #89

I doubt it, but you might be right. Vattel Nov 2014 #152

oh no university education has taken a real nosedive redruddyred Nov 2014 #180

I believe warren tried to pass a bill redruddyred Nov 2014 #91

That's for sure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #94

Of course, who in their right mind would oppose that? librechik Nov 2014 #92

Let them oppose it alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #95

it's like throwing them in the briar patch, Uncle Remus. They love it. librechik Nov 2014 #129

True. In order to do this, we must remove the Third Way cancer from the Democratic party. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #98

The sooner the better alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #99

Immediately? Last summer, or last year would have been the time. Orsino Nov 2014 #100

Oregon Democrats tried to address the student loan problem this year .. DreamGypsy Nov 2014 #111

I would be happy with quantitative easing interest rates for student loans 0.075% or something like yurbud Nov 2014 #113

The banks would get there if you could discharge alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #116

Ralph Nader just proposed the very same thing during an interview on bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #119

Al Franken ran on that this past election. geardaddy Nov 2014 #121

I was just about to post that. Thanks! MineralMan Nov 2014 #135

Franken's bill was like Warren's: refinance for older, higher interest loans...it's a half measure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #137

I agree wholeheartedly. geardaddy Nov 2014 #140

yep! myrna minx Nov 2014 #173

We could start by stopping H-1B visas LittleBlue Nov 2014 #141

What were the Democrats doing on this before the republicans took over? Autumn Nov 2014 #144

Obviously it should have been addressed before now alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #145

That would piss off their Wall Street donors, it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #146

The bankers who own the government will never go for it Doctor_J Nov 2014 #154

Education is a right and should be free. libtodeath Nov 2014 #155

Depends on what you study Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #157

It is not other peoples money libtodeath Nov 2014 #158

Then divert the tax monies to libraries. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #181

No degree is useless dflprincess Nov 2014 #177

It's not that I'm concerned about earning 6 figures. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #182

Warren would do well on this issue JonLP24 Nov 2014 #165

we can no longer do much of anything but remind those younger folks SoCalDem Nov 2014 #166

The ACA was the best piece of legislation millennials will ever get, more than just the geek tragedy Nov 2014 #168

I agree, and these whinny threads from supposed millinials are really getting tiresome to me still_one Nov 2014 #176